What about Adam ?
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Eternal Life was promised through Jesus Christ, not adam, before the World began ! Titus 1:2
Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God's elect, and the acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness;
2 In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;
1 Jn 2:25
25 And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life.
1 Jn 5:11-12
11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.
12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.
If adam had Eternal Life, then he had it through God's Son, not himself ! Yes even at his creation, because it was promised in the Son before his creation !
Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God's elect, and the acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness;
2 In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;
1 Jn 2:25
25 And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life.
1 Jn 5:11-12
11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.
12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.
If adam had Eternal Life, then he had it through God's Son, not himself ! Yes even at his creation, because it was promised in the Son before his creation !
But none of the scriptures you cited say that Adam could not have entered the kingdom of heaven had he clung faithfully to God and so grown holy after the image of God in his spirit. A man's spirit can become holy because God is spirit and God communes by spirit. A man's flesh cannot do that. A man's flesh is dependent upon being subjected to a man's spirit for it's holiness to come from God through man's spirit connection with God.
That is what Jesus told the Pharisees: Matthew 23:26 "Thou blind Pharisee, cleanse first that which is within the cup and platter [at a man's spiritual core], that the outside of them [the flesh] may be clean also."
That is what Jesus told the Pharisees: Matthew 23:26 "Thou blind Pharisee, cleanse first that which is within the cup and platter [at a man's spiritual core], that the outside of them [the flesh] may be clean also."
Here is what God thought about the situation BEFORE Adam sinned.... And AFTER!...
In Genesis we read God claim that His creation was GOOD. And it was... And then God made man IN HIS IMAGE, Likeness and God said... VERY GOOD... So obviously God found it VERY GOOD! The rich man asked Jesus.... GOOD MASTER... why callest thou ME good, only GOD IS GOOD... But th rich man asked about the Kingdom, and Jesus said... thou want to be perfect.. Adam was perfect, Adam was part of God's Kingdom, like EDEN....
Jesus said... FATHER I WANT THEM TO BE WHERE I AM... John 17... AND THAT THEY BEHLD MY GLORY.... Adam had that GLORY.... And Glory is ONLY IN GOD'S KINGDOM....
If you need more Scripture and explaination I would gladly walk with you through God's Word and then you can see the KINGDOM OF GOD IS AT HAND... WE can ENTER ANYTIME GOD ALLOWS US IN! ...ONE with God is IN THE KINGDOM... John 17. Eph 4.
Kardi we agree on so many topics, there is only a few we still have to harmonise in the Word...
You are a great gain as a brother.... God bless you my friend. Do we not PRAY...FAther let thou Kingdom come... You think He listened to some about this? Yes HE DID... Jesus said they ARE NOT OF THE WORLD... then where are they from then? God's Kingdom... ALL HOLY PEOPLE!
And after Adam sinned God was not happy...
In Genesis we read God claim that His creation was GOOD. And it was... And then God made man IN HIS IMAGE, Likeness and God said... VERY GOOD... So obviously God found it VERY GOOD! The rich man asked Jesus.... GOOD MASTER... why callest thou ME good, only GOD IS GOOD... But th rich man asked about the Kingdom, and Jesus said... thou want to be perfect.. Adam was perfect, Adam was part of God's Kingdom, like EDEN....
Jesus said... FATHER I WANT THEM TO BE WHERE I AM... John 17... AND THAT THEY BEHLD MY GLORY.... Adam had that GLORY.... And Glory is ONLY IN GOD'S KINGDOM....
If you need more Scripture and explaination I would gladly walk with you through God's Word and then you can see the KINGDOM OF GOD IS AT HAND... WE can ENTER ANYTIME GOD ALLOWS US IN! ...ONE with God is IN THE KINGDOM... John 17. Eph 4.
Kardi we agree on so many topics, there is only a few we still have to harmonise in the Word...
You are a great gain as a brother.... God bless you my friend. Do we not PRAY...FAther let thou Kingdom come... You think He listened to some about this? Yes HE DID... Jesus said they ARE NOT OF THE WORLD... then where are they from then? God's Kingdom... ALL HOLY PEOPLE!
And after Adam sinned God was not happy...
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kar
Scripture says this 1 Cor 15:50
50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
Now do you have a scripture that states what you are suggesting her ?
Show us that scripture. Thanks !
God had already prepared the Kingdom for Christ's People before the foundation,before adam was even created. Matt 25:34
34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
Scripture says this 1 Cor 15:50
50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
Now do you have a scripture that states what you are suggesting her ?
Show us that scripture. Thanks !
God had already prepared the Kingdom for Christ's People before the foundation,before adam was even created. Matt 25:34
34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
Titus 1:1-2
Titus 1:1-2
1Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God's elect, and the acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness;
2In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;
Eternal Life was promised before the world began. Many mistake and believe that Adam and man in Him, had eternal life and that the continuance of it depended upon a condition, that condition being, if Adam [ Man] did not disobey God and eat of the Tree He was told not to eat from.
So from that reasoning, life eternal was not promised on a premise made by God before the world began, but after time began, and conditioned on the obedience of man who was made of the dust of the ground. Can anyone see the discrepancy with this faulty thinking, and what Paul writes in Titus 1 ?
2 Tim 1:1
Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, according to the promise of [Eternal ] life which is in Christ Jesus,
1 Jn 2:25; 1 Jn 5:11
And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life.
5:11
And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son
Now who could it have been that God promised Eternal life to before the world began ? Was it Adam ? Was it the Last Adam ?
Titus 1:1-2
1Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God's elect, and the acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness;
2In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;
Eternal Life was promised before the world began. Many mistake and believe that Adam and man in Him, had eternal life and that the continuance of it depended upon a condition, that condition being, if Adam [ Man] did not disobey God and eat of the Tree He was told not to eat from.
So from that reasoning, life eternal was not promised on a premise made by God before the world began, but after time began, and conditioned on the obedience of man who was made of the dust of the ground. Can anyone see the discrepancy with this faulty thinking, and what Paul writes in Titus 1 ?
2 Tim 1:1
Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, according to the promise of [Eternal ] life which is in Christ Jesus,
1 Jn 2:25; 1 Jn 5:11
And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life.
5:11
And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son
Now who could it have been that God promised Eternal life to before the world began ? Was it Adam ? Was it the Last Adam ?
L
*[[Gen 2:16-17]] KJV* %v 16% And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: %v 17% But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
What these texts are saying is that as long as they were obedient they could freely eat from the tree of life. After they sinned they could no longer eat from the tree of life as shown in Genesis chapter 3.
What these texts are saying is that as long as they were obedient they could freely eat from the tree of life. After they sinned they could no longer eat from the tree of life as shown in Genesis chapter 3.
L
It shows that before they sinned they had eternal life on the condition of obedience. After they sinned they no longer had this and needed a saviour. There is no evidence they did not eat of the tree of life. God showed them the tree of life and said they could eat from it so why wouldn't they eat from it?
L
Are you having trouble understanding the Bible?
Genesis 2:16-17 KJV
(16) And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
(17) But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
This means that they were freely able to eat of the tree of life. Only one tree they were not permitted to eat from and that was not the tree of life. If they did not sin they would have been able to continue to eat of the tree of life. So God gave them a condition to be able to eat from the tree of life so therefore they had eternal life on condition of obedience.
Genesis 2:16-17 KJV
(16) And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
(17) But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
This means that they were freely able to eat of the tree of life. Only one tree they were not permitted to eat from and that was not the tree of life. If they did not sin they would have been able to continue to eat of the tree of life. So God gave them a condition to be able to eat from the tree of life so therefore they had eternal life on condition of obedience.
I have read the previous comments of others, but this earth or world, was not created for Adam, but Adam and this world were created for Christ and His redemptive purpose of salvation.
Col 1:16-18
16For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
17And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
18And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.
All things in the beginning were created for Him as the Head of the body, the church.
Col 1:16-18
16For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
17And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
18And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.
All things in the beginning were created for Him as the Head of the body, the church.
lao
Yes, but they would have lived continually before God in a unproven state. And when they were tested or proved we find that they did not love God as God requires ! This is God's Requirement Deut 10:12
And now, Israel, what doth the Lord thy God require of thee, but to fear the Lord thy God, to walk in all his ways, and to love him, and to serve the Lord thy God with all thy heart and with all thy soul,
Jesus says the Greatest Commandment Matt 22:36-38
36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38 This is the first and great commandment.
Now, did Adam Love God that way before he sinned ?
God tests to prove ! Deut 13:3
Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the Lord your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul.
Yes, but they would have lived continually before God in a unproven state. And when they were tested or proved we find that they did not love God as God requires ! This is God's Requirement Deut 10:12
And now, Israel, what doth the Lord thy God require of thee, but to fear the Lord thy God, to walk in all his ways, and to love him, and to serve the Lord thy God with all thy heart and with all thy soul,
Jesus says the Greatest Commandment Matt 22:36-38
36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38 This is the first and great commandment.
Now, did Adam Love God that way before he sinned ?
God tests to prove ! Deut 13:3
Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the Lord your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul.
L
You should have quoted the next text as well.
Deuteronomy 10:12-13 KJV
(12) And now, Israel, what doth the LORD thy God require of thee, but to fear the LORD thy God, to walk in all his ways, and to love him, and to serve the LORD thy God with all thy heart and with all thy soul,
(13) To keep the commandments of the LORD, and his statutes, which I command thee this day for thy good?
Exodus 20:6 KJV
(6) And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
John 14:15 KJV
(15) If ye love me, keep my commandments.
Deuteronomy 10:12-13 KJV
(12) And now, Israel, what doth the LORD thy God require of thee, but to fear the LORD thy God, to walk in all his ways, and to love him, and to serve the LORD thy God with all thy heart and with all thy soul,
(13) To keep the commandments of the LORD, and his statutes, which I command thee this day for thy good?
Exodus 20:6 KJV
(6) And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
John 14:15 KJV
(15) If ye love me, keep my commandments.