What about Gen. 6
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I've often considered both.
I fully believe that "the sons of God" in Genesis chapter 6 were angelic beings "which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation" as is mentioned in Jude 6.
Daniel 2:43
And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay.
Here, I believe that the "they" who "shall mingle themselves with the seed of men" will be the fallen angels who will be cast down to this earth with Satan when the battle which is foretold in Daniel 12:1 and Revelation 12:7-12 is fulfilled, thereby triggering or ushering in the great tribulation.
Daniel 12:1
And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
Revelation 12:7
And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
Revelation 12:8
And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
Revelation 12:9
And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
Revelation 12:10
And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
Revelation 12:11
And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.
Revelation 12:12
Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
I fully believe that "the sons of God" in Genesis chapter 6 were angelic beings "which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation" as is mentioned in Jude 6.
Daniel 2:43
And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay.
Here, I believe that the "they" who "shall mingle themselves with the seed of men" will be the fallen angels who will be cast down to this earth with Satan when the battle which is foretold in Daniel 12:1 and Revelation 12:7-12 is fulfilled, thereby triggering or ushering in the great tribulation.
Daniel 12:1
And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
Revelation 12:7
And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
Revelation 12:8
And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
Revelation 12:9
And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
Revelation 12:10
And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
Revelation 12:11
And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.
Revelation 12:12
Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
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Genesis 6:1-7 "Now it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born to them, that the sons of God saw the daughters of men, that they were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves of all whom they chose.
And the Lord said, 'My Spirit shall not strive with man forever, for he is indeed flesh; yet his days shall be one hundred and twenty years.' There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.
Then the Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. And the Lord was sorry that He had made man on the earth, and He was grieved in His heart. So the Lord said, 'I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth, both man and beast, creeping thing and birds of the air, for I am sorry that I have made them.' "
Daniel 2:43 "As you saw iron mixed with ceramic clay, they will mingle with the seed of men; but they will not adhere to one another, just as iron does not mix with clay."
And the Lord said, 'My Spirit shall not strive with man forever, for he is indeed flesh; yet his days shall be one hundred and twenty years.' There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.
Then the Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. And the Lord was sorry that He had made man on the earth, and He was grieved in His heart. So the Lord said, 'I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth, both man and beast, creeping thing and birds of the air, for I am sorry that I have made them.' "
Daniel 2:43 "As you saw iron mixed with ceramic clay, they will mingle with the seed of men; but they will not adhere to one another, just as iron does not mix with clay."
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If Daniel 11 is about the antichrist and Daniel 12 happens after he is defeated, then Revelation 12 would also have to happen after the antichrist is defeated if it refers to the same event that Daniel 12 does.
However, Revelation 12 seems to come chronologically before the antichrist even comes to power and not after he is defeated without human hands like Daniel 12 imo.
note the similarities between the entities in Daniel 11 and Revelation 13 to substantiate that they are referring to the same event
Daniel 11:30
Ships of Kittim will come against him, and he will lose heart. Then he will turn back and rage against the holy covenant and do damage. So he will return and show favor to those who forsake the holy covenant.
Daniel 11:36 Then the king will do as he pleases and will exalt and magnify himself above every god, and he will speak monstrous things against the God of gods. He will be successful until the time of wrath is completed, for what has been decreed must be accomplished
Daniel 11:42 He will extend his power over many countries, and not even the land of Egypt will escape.
Revelation 13:5-7
The beast was given a mouth to speak arrogant and blasphemous words, and authority to act for 42 months. And the beast opened its mouth to speak blasphemies against God and to slander His name and His tabernacle—those who dwell in heaven.
Then the beast was permitted to wage war against the saints and to conquer them, and it was given authority over every tribe and people and tongue and nation.
and note how Revelation 12 seems to chronologically precede Revelation 13
Revelation 12:17
And the dragon was enraged at the woman, and went to make war with the rest of her children, who keep the commandments of God and hold to the testimony of Jesus.
And the dragon stood on the shore of the sea.
the very next chapter
Revelation 13:1
Then I saw a beast with ten horns and seven heads rising out of the sea. There were ten royal crowns on its horns and blasphemous names on its heads.
If Revelation 12 happens before the rising out of the sea in Revelation 13, Revelation 13 happens during Daniel 11, and Daniel 11 happens before Daniel 12, then Revelation 12 happens before Daniel 12.
and, in other parts of the book of Daniel, there are more descriptions, presumably, of the vile person in Daniel 11 that are similar to the entity in Revelation 13
However, Revelation 12 seems to come chronologically before the antichrist even comes to power and not after he is defeated without human hands like Daniel 12 imo.
note the similarities between the entities in Daniel 11 and Revelation 13 to substantiate that they are referring to the same event
Daniel 11:30
Ships of Kittim will come against him, and he will lose heart. Then he will turn back and rage against the holy covenant and do damage. So he will return and show favor to those who forsake the holy covenant.
Daniel 11:36 Then the king will do as he pleases and will exalt and magnify himself above every god, and he will speak monstrous things against the God of gods. He will be successful until the time of wrath is completed, for what has been decreed must be accomplished
Daniel 11:42 He will extend his power over many countries, and not even the land of Egypt will escape.
Revelation 13:5-7
The beast was given a mouth to speak arrogant and blasphemous words, and authority to act for 42 months. And the beast opened its mouth to speak blasphemies against God and to slander His name and His tabernacle—those who dwell in heaven.
Then the beast was permitted to wage war against the saints and to conquer them, and it was given authority over every tribe and people and tongue and nation.
and note how Revelation 12 seems to chronologically precede Revelation 13
Revelation 12:17
And the dragon was enraged at the woman, and went to make war with the rest of her children, who keep the commandments of God and hold to the testimony of Jesus.
And the dragon stood on the shore of the sea.
the very next chapter
Revelation 13:1
Then I saw a beast with ten horns and seven heads rising out of the sea. There were ten royal crowns on its horns and blasphemous names on its heads.
If Revelation 12 happens before the rising out of the sea in Revelation 13, Revelation 13 happens during Daniel 11, and Daniel 11 happens before Daniel 12, then Revelation 12 happens before Daniel 12.
and, in other parts of the book of Daniel, there are more descriptions, presumably, of the vile person in Daniel 11 that are similar to the entity in Revelation 13
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First of all, thanks for your comments. I understand what you're saying, but I'm confused as to why you believe that the antichrist is already defeated in Daniel chapter 11. I previously quoted Daniel 12:1, but I'll quote it again now with the preceding verse included or with the last verse of Daniel chapter 11 to put it in it's proper timeframe and context.
Daniel 11:45
And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.
Daniel 12:1
And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
Prior to Michael standing up, or prior to a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time, or prior to the tribulation period, the antichrist, the "he" of Daniel 11:45, shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in glorious holy mount, or in Mt. Zion in Jerusalem. At this point in time, Michael stands up. How do you view this as the antichrist having already been defeated?
Daniel 11:45
And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.
Daniel 12:1
And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
Prior to Michael standing up, or prior to a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time, or prior to the tribulation period, the antichrist, the "he" of Daniel 11:45, shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in glorious holy mount, or in Mt. Zion in Jerusalem. At this point in time, Michael stands up. How do you view this as the antichrist having already been defeated?
If "he shall come to his end, and none shall help him." refers to him being defeated then that is why. Although from that verse alone I am not against the interpretation that he still had yet to be defeated by that point imo.
Also note that Revelation 12 seems to come before Revelation 13 (read both as one chapter), and Revelation 13 seems to describe events in Daniel 11 that seem to precede Daniel 12 quoted above.
Also note that Revelation 12 seems to come before Revelation 13 (read both as one chapter), and Revelation 13 seems to describe events in Daniel 11 that seem to precede Daniel 12 quoted above.
That is interesting. I've never put all that together before...
I bring this up because I believe the Father is showing me that what we are seeing in the earth at this time is a repeat of what happened in the beginning.
I believe that the fallen angels are here and this is where all of this explosion in technology stems from. If the "veil" was removed, we would see that there are literal beings behind the scenes controlling the affairs of the nations.
The reason this is a concern to me is that I believe that it affects and will affect each one of us on a personal level daily without our even realizing it. From the mRNA, CRISPER technology, to the collecting of data on every person from every piece of technology available to control and gather charges against certain individuals to see them silenced.
We do not wrestle against flesh and blood but against principalities (fallen angels), against powers (demons, the nephews of the present fallen angels), against the rulers of darkness of this world (demon-possessed people as well as fallen angel hybrids, likely), against spiritual wickedness in high places (luciferian stuff).
It is not that I want to be extreme or fantastic or controversial. It is that I believe that we, as believers, should have a good understanding to truly see what we are dealing with and seeks to negatively affect us. I have seen so many Christians succumb to unbelief and apostasy because they could not truly recon what they were dealing with.
This thing is Big, All encompassing. It will soon get worse, Way worse. Quantum computing, I believe, will be a game changer in some fundamental capacity, that do not begin to think I comprehend.
I just feel a need to spot a light on what I believe the Father has been giving me understanding of. We are literally witnessing The Days of Noah. Just as Jesus, The Son of the Living GOD, said when warning His disciples of the very days we are in. Prefacing it with, and warning often, "Let no man deceive you by any means".
I hope that I have not come across as a trouble making fringe kook but, that this will resonate in you to provoke you to dig in to understand what days we are in and let the Father guide you with understanding to overcome each perplexing trial that comes our way and see as He sees all things.
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I agree with everything you said! Have you ever heard of the Blurry Creatures podcast? They discuss everything you mentioned in it and it's fantastic! We are living in the end times prophesied that it will be "as in the days of Noah" for sure and I'm 100% certain that these nephilim hybrids walk among us.
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Hey, thanks for replying and I apologize for the late reply.
I think there is definitely room to be watchful, as long as we remain faithful to the most important things and try not to confuse what is deductive from what is inductively inferred.
I haven't studied a lot these things^ to be able to confirm or deny imo but I would like to highlight something in Ephesians 6:12
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this world’s darkness, and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.
There seems to be entities (rulers, authorities) that are both distinguishable from "the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms" and not flesh in blood, which imo seems to mean entities that are on earth (not in the heavenly realms) that are not human. Whatever Ephesians 6 means, there is definitely true evil out there, but no weapon formed against Jesus is enough. He is too strong.
I think there is definitely room to be watchful, as long as we remain faithful to the most important things and try not to confuse what is deductive from what is inductively inferred.
I haven't studied a lot these things^ to be able to confirm or deny imo but I would like to highlight something in Ephesians 6:12
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this world’s darkness, and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.
There seems to be entities (rulers, authorities) that are both distinguishable from "the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms" and not flesh in blood, which imo seems to mean entities that are on earth (not in the heavenly realms) that are not human. Whatever Ephesians 6 means, there is definitely true evil out there, but no weapon formed against Jesus is enough. He is too strong.
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Never mind. I found it. Thank you for sharing that with me.
It is nice to be able to discuss some of this when you know people understand where you are coming from. It can seem strange to most people.
Glad to have you here.
It is nice to be able to discuss some of this when you know people understand where you are coming from. It can seem strange to most people.
Glad to have you here.
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Wow. That's interesting. I've never really discussed this with anyone that had any real understanding on the subject.
The LORD was trying to open my understanding on this for years and I kept putting it off thinking it was too out there.
Then 10 years ago I was seeking GOD very much on the subject of the Mark of the Beast. I was seriously trying to understand how the Mark could be so damnable, thinking that it was a credit card or a chip in the hand.
In my daily reading I was reading through the book of Revelations. After reading a while one morning, I got up to go into the kitchen, when all of a sudden, I heard the LORD speaking inside of me, saying "There is coming a vaccine. You are not to receive it. It will change you genetically and you will not be able to die." At the same time, I had this very clear revelation that the change in the DNA would be through the Fallen Angel's DNA. This is what would make the Mark so damnable, because you will become a Nephilim.
I have tried to share this many times, but people cannot comprehend that these days are just like the days of Noah and that these things were happening then. People are generally not ready for what is upon us. I fear that many will be deceived to take a vaccine.
They are now openly talking about achieving immortality and applying it to humanity.
Is there anyone else talking about these things?
The LORD was trying to open my understanding on this for years and I kept putting it off thinking it was too out there.
Then 10 years ago I was seeking GOD very much on the subject of the Mark of the Beast. I was seriously trying to understand how the Mark could be so damnable, thinking that it was a credit card or a chip in the hand.
In my daily reading I was reading through the book of Revelations. After reading a while one morning, I got up to go into the kitchen, when all of a sudden, I heard the LORD speaking inside of me, saying "There is coming a vaccine. You are not to receive it. It will change you genetically and you will not be able to die." At the same time, I had this very clear revelation that the change in the DNA would be through the Fallen Angel's DNA. This is what would make the Mark so damnable, because you will become a Nephilim.
I have tried to share this many times, but people cannot comprehend that these days are just like the days of Noah and that these things were happening then. People are generally not ready for what is upon us. I fear that many will be deceived to take a vaccine.
They are now openly talking about achieving immortality and applying it to humanity.
Is there anyone else talking about these things?
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Evidently the Jude 1:6 angels took a downgrade (to satisfy their ungodly lust), while we Christians are gifted with an upgrade.
G3613 - oikētērion - Strong's Greek Lexicon (kjv) (blueletterbible.org)
The KJV translates Strong's G3613 in the following manner: house (1x), habitation (1x).
Outline of Biblical Usage [?]
And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, G3613 he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
2Co 5:2
For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house G3613 which is from heaven:
G3613 - oikētērion - Strong's Greek Lexicon (kjv) (blueletterbible.org)
The KJV translates Strong's G3613 in the following manner: house (1x), habitation (1x).
Outline of Biblical Usage [?]
- a dwelling place, habitation
- of the body as a dwelling place for the spirit
And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, G3613 he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
2Co 5:2
For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house G3613 which is from heaven:
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Yes, people like Doug Riggs, a pastor who used to help SRA victims talked about this in great detail because the victims of SRA whom he was helping would confess that this is satan's plan. He has been corrupting the human race with fallen angel DNA through SRA to also amass the army that will fight with the antichrist at Armegeddon. There are many people that are aware of what's happening now. If you look up Dr. Laura Sanger, she also talks about it and she has her own telegram channel where like-minded people discuss these things. I can send you a link to the channel if you want. Doug Riggs was on episode 62 of The Blurry Creatures podcast. That's a good place to start. Then you can also listen to episode 41 and 147 to hear Dr. Laura Sanger's take on it. She also has her own YouTube channel, as does Doug. Doug passed away last year but his ministry is still active.
I do believe that something is coming that will permanently alter our DNA if we take it but thank God, He tells us that only those who are not in Christ will receive the mark. The covid vaccine was a precursor for sure.
I do believe that something is coming that will permanently alter our DNA if we take it but thank God, He tells us that only those who are not in Christ will receive the mark. The covid vaccine was a precursor for sure.
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Amen. We overcome by the Blood of the LAMB and the word of our testimony!
Thank you for your help, I appreciate it. I will look them up. I have waited for so long to hear others that have heard from the LORD on this subject and have found a couple of random people that have the testimony that GOD has revealed this to them. It has been encouraging to learn of others that have heard, because I believe that the spirit of the prophet is subject to the prophets. Some of my family did not want to accept what I shared with them until recently when things are lining up the way the LORD told me.
Too, I know that there will be many false prophets in these days and that many will not want to consider anything new, especially on a subject like this. But, the LORD keeps reminding me of Dan. 12:7-10 and assuring me that these are the days that the words are unsealed.
Thanks again for your help.
Thank you for your help, I appreciate it. I will look them up. I have waited for so long to hear others that have heard from the LORD on this subject and have found a couple of random people that have the testimony that GOD has revealed this to them. It has been encouraging to learn of others that have heard, because I believe that the spirit of the prophet is subject to the prophets. Some of my family did not want to accept what I shared with them until recently when things are lining up the way the LORD told me.
Too, I know that there will be many false prophets in these days and that many will not want to consider anything new, especially on a subject like this. But, the LORD keeps reminding me of Dan. 12:7-10 and assuring me that these are the days that the words are unsealed.
Thanks again for your help.
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Amen. We overcome by the Blood of the LAMB and the word of our testimony!
Thank you for your help, I appreciate it. I will look them up. I have waited for so long to hear others that have heard from the LORD on this subject and have found a couple of random people that have the testimony that GOD has revealed this to them. It has been encouraging to learn of others that have heard, because I believe that the spirit of the prophet is subject to the prophets. Some of my family did not want to accept what I shared with them until recently when things are lining up the way the LORD told me.
Too, I know that there will be many false prophets in these days and that many will not want to consider anything new, especially on a subject like this. But, the LORD keeps reminding me of Dan. 12:7-10 and assuring me that these are the days that the words are unsealed.
Thanks again for your help.
Thank you for your help, I appreciate it. I will look them up. I have waited for so long to hear others that have heard from the LORD on this subject and have found a couple of random people that have the testimony that GOD has revealed this to them. It has been encouraging to learn of others that have heard, because I believe that the spirit of the prophet is subject to the prophets. Some of my family did not want to accept what I shared with them until recently when things are lining up the way the LORD told me.
Too, I know that there will be many false prophets in these days and that many will not want to consider anything new, especially on a subject like this. But, the LORD keeps reminding me of Dan. 12:7-10 and assuring me that these are the days that the words are unsealed.
Thanks again for your help.
Yes we definitely have to examine everything everyone says through the lens of scripture but I also believe that The Holy Spirit also confirms these things to our spirit man and truthfully, it's actually all there in the bible if we read with humble, willing hearts and not with our preconceived notions and biases.
I'm really excited for you to join these discussions if you decide to join the communities I suggested. It's been very edifying for me ☺️
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Yeah, I am not sure what it means but I think it is interesting to ask where did/will all of the evil angels go after their fall to earth. Perhaps the answer to that is related to Daniel 2, in my opinion.
Revelation 12:9
9And the great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him.
Wherever they went, they are still too weak for Jesus Christ.
Revelation 12:9
9And the great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him.
Wherever they went, they are still too weak for Jesus Christ.
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