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Graybeard
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this one is quite interesting......could BBC have made a legitimate mistake???
I must say that this to me has the biggest question mark of all....only explanation is the plane came in with a huge drift, but what I find most puzzling is that there is no clear image of the actual footage of a plane, one would think with all the security cameras that there would be quite a few different angle shots.....mmmmm
ya right.
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security and video around the most highly protected building in the world?
you'd think.
but....they confiscated all the gas station and local videos.
down the memory hole.
never to be seen again.
what i'm wondering is why weren't jets scrambled to protect the nation?
oh ya.........now i remember
a mistake?
reporting specifically #7 had collapsed when it hadn't?
what kind of mistake is that?
ya, they made a mistake alright.
they ran the story a little too early.
ya....those cocaine snorting-stripper watching ultra religious jihadis were AMAZING pilots.
they brought in that liner for the money shot and didn't even scorch the grass.
never bent a blade.
incredible!
those muslims are so smart.
and they got their flight training from.......oh ya
now i remember
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Graybeard
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A common sense test:
You’re dispatched to a house fire in a 2 story with a basement. Upon arrival, all 3 floors are well involved. After extinguishment, the neighbor across the street tells you he saw flashes on all 3 floors within seconds of each other. It turns out the owner has arson convictions on his record. You smell gasoline. Now, should you test the debris for accelerants? No matter what the owner and his friends tell you, wouldn’t you still test it? It’s a “NO-Brainer”…isn’t it?2) Over 118 first responders reported hearing explosions before all 3 collapses, many said it sounded like the “bang-bang-bang” you hear during a demolition.
3) We have video, photographic and audio evidence of explosions after the impact and before collapseI would love to see/hear this
As an ex-fireman myself, the questions these guys ask begs answering....makes me look at this in a whole new perspective....
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Graybeard
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like..why would they do that??
Too much of a coincidence...what are the odds??
was thinking that as well, not a blade of grass out of place....mmm
oh.
Dov S. Zakheim
Dov S. Zakheim - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
just look at the credentials and connections. huh.
this is fun:
From 1987-2001, Zakheim was CEO of SPC International, a subsidiary of System Planning Corporation, a high-technology analytical firm.
System Planning Corporation
System Planning Corporation: Capabilities: Advanced Systems Technology
toggle around in that site for awhile.
remote control craft and vehicles...the works.
big operation.
"System Planning Corporation's Command Transmitter Systems (CTS) provide remote control and flight termination functions through a fully-redundant self-contained solid-state system."
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Following Zakheim and Pentagon trillions to Israel and 9-11
At that time he was unable to explain the disappearance of $1 trillion dollars. Actually, nearly three years earlier, Donald Rumsfeld announced on September 10, 2001 that an audit discovered $2.3 trillion was also missing from the Pentagon books. That story, as I mentioned, was buried under 9-11's rubble. The two sums disappeared on Zakheim's watch.
Wikipedia points out that Zakheim is also a member of the Council on Foreign Relations and in 2000 a co-author of the Project for the New American Century's position paper, Rebuilding America's Defenses, advocating the necessity for a Pearl-Harbor-like incident to mobilize the country into war with its enemies, mostly Middle Eastern Muslim nations.
Welcome to the Frontpage
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Analysis: Defense budget practices probed
Thursday, 02-Oct-2003 10:00AM PDT
Analysis: Defense budget practices probed
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hmmmm
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AgeofKnowledge
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Don't forget all the light poles that are on the grounds that miraculously didn't get clipped by the wings.
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Married_Richenbrachen
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5. A man or woman who believes that many events in history are the result of deliberation by two or more people for the purpose of accomplishing private, agreed objectives, often to the detriment of external parties.
6. Opposite of coincidence theorist (a man or woman who believes that all events in history occur by either striking occurrences of mere chance, individual endeavour, or publicly announced group effort).
6. Opposite of coincidence theorist (a man or woman who believes that all events in history occur by either striking occurrences of mere chance, individual endeavour, or publicly announced group effort).
Don't forget that instead of a full investigation of the debris after 9/11, Bush had all the metal, concrete etc shipped to China. He said it was so there would be no memory of what happen for the victims' families but surely one of the greatest tragedies on American soil should have been thoroughly investigated??
My son had me watch a video quite a few years ago on this. It really confirmed my thought that the way the buildings collapsed, it was demolition. There was a demolitions expert on the video, and he had lots of graphs, pictures of the way the building should have collapsed if it was from the airplane and fire (the building was built with special shafts to withstand fire!) and that it was a perfect example of demolition. This guy also exposed a lot more. Wish I still had the link.
As for the third building, who on earth primes a whole building with explosives? Are all buildings in New York, or the US, or the western world ready to be demolished with a single phone call? That is just scary! Or was the plan only for these 3 buildings, so Bush would have some more ready excuses to invade innocent countries?
9/11 is a sad page in American History. Too many people killed and too many strange issues surrounding absolutely everything that happened.
My son had me watch a video quite a few years ago on this. It really confirmed my thought that the way the buildings collapsed, it was demolition. There was a demolitions expert on the video, and he had lots of graphs, pictures of the way the building should have collapsed if it was from the airplane and fire (the building was built with special shafts to withstand fire!) and that it was a perfect example of demolition. This guy also exposed a lot more. Wish I still had the link.
As for the third building, who on earth primes a whole building with explosives? Are all buildings in New York, or the US, or the western world ready to be demolished with a single phone call? That is just scary! Or was the plan only for these 3 buildings, so Bush would have some more ready excuses to invade innocent countries?
9/11 is a sad page in American History. Too many people killed and too many strange issues surrounding absolutely everything that happened.
Show me a society with no critical thinkers and I'll show you a society of little innovation.
Where would we be without critical thinkers. It was critical thinkers who did not accept, what the rest of the world accepted, that the world was flat. When Ferdinand Magellan circumnavigated the world, every thought he would fall off.
The difference now is critical thinkers are delving into the secrets of others. So now we have a campaign to portray critical thinkers as wacky people.
Where would we be without critical thinkers. It was critical thinkers who did not accept, what the rest of the world accepted, that the world was flat. When Ferdinand Magellan circumnavigated the world, every thought he would fall off.
The difference now is critical thinkers are delving into the secrets of others. So now we have a campaign to portray critical thinkers as wacky people.
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isaria
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Red room red rum or was it dead room hmm
or the two teams all against one player because he better his own team doesnt want him even or the illusionist where things are not as they seem and are they as they look and feel or smell .possibly but may be not always.
Lots movies about these things and hidden what really goes on and the ever so clever cover ups.
Like movies they erased a mans identity and some one else took it and this was government.
Every one beleives man is mad and incredibly weird untill the end of movie where usually he comes out as hero or pretty brave and clever the madness and insanity was borderlining genius and in end he can prove the evidence of all against one and one against all and he even usually finds a couple good people who beleive him and can listen and dare even talk with he that at the very very end become a whole people .
Oh, what can i articulate of such things as i speak sign language and need improve my writing and communicating with words.
Blessed thy be some one on christian chat unders toon my sign language i speak (not big movements but little ones with fingers) very nice be able communicate im not as dumb and mad as seem.
Thank you.
Indeed much things happen one shakes head in disbelief.
Eating cannibals because human already dead in aged care facility can be sold as chicken. (it just does not taste so good)
and acid attacks at beauty salons but what evidence is there truly... they wanted you feel bad. hmm
oh, where does one begin......
very clever indeed.
But keep the faith that in the end good shall come forth for a beautiful good people so proud of.
or the two teams all against one player because he better his own team doesnt want him even or the illusionist where things are not as they seem and are they as they look and feel or smell .possibly but may be not always.
Lots movies about these things and hidden what really goes on and the ever so clever cover ups.
Like movies they erased a mans identity and some one else took it and this was government.
Every one beleives man is mad and incredibly weird untill the end of movie where usually he comes out as hero or pretty brave and clever the madness and insanity was borderlining genius and in end he can prove the evidence of all against one and one against all and he even usually finds a couple good people who beleive him and can listen and dare even talk with he that at the very very end become a whole people .
Oh, what can i articulate of such things as i speak sign language and need improve my writing and communicating with words.
Blessed thy be some one on christian chat unders toon my sign language i speak (not big movements but little ones with fingers) very nice be able communicate im not as dumb and mad as seem.
Thank you.
Indeed much things happen one shakes head in disbelief.
Eating cannibals because human already dead in aged care facility can be sold as chicken. (it just does not taste so good)
and acid attacks at beauty salons but what evidence is there truly... they wanted you feel bad. hmm
oh, where does one begin......
very clever indeed.
But keep the faith that in the end good shall come forth for a beautiful good people so proud of.
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Married_Richenbrachen
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And ironically, now the rest of the world has accepted the Earth is spherical, some critical thinkers believe it could be flat. Perhaps these people are just being contrary?
It reminds me of an episode of Hogan's Heroes, where Colonel Hogan had to diffuse a bomb, and didn't know which wire to cut, so asked Colonel Klink. He ends up choosing the opposite wire to Colonel Klink, and the bomb is diffused. When Colonel Klink asks him how he knew which wire to cut, Hogan tells him "I didn't know which wire to choose, but I did know that you would choose the wrong one."
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DragonSlayer
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Those are not true critical thinkers.
Those are ignorant people and they need to get a minimum basis of instruction.
True critical thinkers have a minimum basis of instruction.
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DragonSlayer
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Sister Isaria, from what you meant in your post, you don't sound in any way " dumb and mad " to me !
In the opposite, you sound very smart and wise to me ! Many people with excellent skills in writing and speech didn't understand yet what you already understood !
Be proud !
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Married_Richenbrachen
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Actually, such epithets against critical thinkers are common. There is a minimum basis of instruction (for one example, the ability to see further than should be possible on a spherical earth of given dimension), and I don't think these are ignorant people. I'm not saying the evidence is conclusive (it never is), but I like to keep an open mind unless God has stated something conclusively, and let the evidence fall where it may.
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DragonSlayer
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What is common is to use ignorant people to represent true critical thinkers, so that true critical thinkers would not be taken seriously. 9-11 is a blatant example of that. I don't rely on what people say, but I rely on facts only. Truly, these are ignorant people. How could you say otherwise ?
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Married_Richenbrachen
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That a conspiracy occurred on 11 September 2001 is a well documented fact. I don't believe that any rational man or woman could, with all the facts, accept the US government's (i.e. "official") version of this conspiracy. Such a man or woman, knowing all the facts, still accepting the US government's version, is accepting this version for reasons other than facts.
What people say are also facts - that is - it is a fact that they have said something, irregardless of whether what they say is true. Let me encourage you not to disregard witness testimony, as this was also important in the Old Testament age (albeit no one could be put to death on the testimony of only one witness, so at least 2 witnesses are encouraged to establish a matter). Look also at the eye-witness testimonies for the 911 event - numerous witnesses reported hearing explosions in the buildings - why disregard such valuable evidence?
Finally, if you believe those who say the Earth is flat are ignorant, how do you explain that on clear days, people can see further than where the curvature of the Earth should allow them to see? I don't think the bible rules out a flat Earth, and in some passages, expressions would be easier to understand were the Earth flat (e.g. Rev 6:14 "And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.")
I understand your response toward this topic, as this was also my response when I first heard people even had such thoughts. But after reading some of the evidences why they believe as they do, I no longer think of them as irrational or crazy, but rather critical thinkers, or at the least, conspiracy theorists.
What people say are also facts - that is - it is a fact that they have said something, irregardless of whether what they say is true. Let me encourage you not to disregard witness testimony, as this was also important in the Old Testament age (albeit no one could be put to death on the testimony of only one witness, so at least 2 witnesses are encouraged to establish a matter). Look also at the eye-witness testimonies for the 911 event - numerous witnesses reported hearing explosions in the buildings - why disregard such valuable evidence?
Finally, if you believe those who say the Earth is flat are ignorant, how do you explain that on clear days, people can see further than where the curvature of the Earth should allow them to see? I don't think the bible rules out a flat Earth, and in some passages, expressions would be easier to understand were the Earth flat (e.g. Rev 6:14 "And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.")
I understand your response toward this topic, as this was also my response when I first heard people even had such thoughts. But after reading some of the evidences why they believe as they do, I no longer think of them as irrational or crazy, but rather critical thinkers, or at the least, conspiracy theorists.