What are you thinking?

[CharliRenee]

My church has started a teaching series based on the sermon on the mount from Matthew, and our community groups, which have just started back up again after summer break, follow along with the Sunday teaching so we can dig more in depth for greater understanding... we also break bread together, pray with and for each other, and a new element tonight's group leader has introduced is these little cards with Scripture and questions on them, for self reflection and sharing opportunities of where we see and/or feel a need for growth in our Christian walk, etc. My thoughts go there, to how a Christian community functions, building each other up in the Word, being available to share heart concerns, getting to know one another authentically, like family, as a body should function. To how that is real love, being present for each other, and keeping it real and also grounded in the Word. I love my church!

This had me smiling the whole way through, thank you. Yes, definitely lovely and good!!!

 

[SoulWeaver]

Just remember, its the person lusting who has sinned, not the nudist. Repent, repent, repent!

I've got nothing to repent from in that area. I've got purged from it (it was among the first things to go when I got saved). I'm a married Christian. My reason for not embracing it is that I'd feel like I was intruding upon other people, even if they wanted to be naked I'd still feel the same, and I don't feel at home either being without clothing around other people except my husband or maybe if my mother accidentally saw me naked because I am also a woman and she gave birth to me, and really nothing anyone has to say about it will not make it feel great for me. It has nothing to do with my sins being forgiven. Actually sins forgiven means that Jesus clothed me, when I was naked. He gave me a white robe. He was put to shame and made to be sin (nakedness), so He could give us His white robes (righteousness) and cover us... so I see clothing as something positive. We are instructed to also clothe others who are poor so they don't suffer the elements physically. I especially would not want to see my family members naked (and it's definitely not because I'm attracted to them)... I'd only have it out of necessity, if my mother or sister was so sick that I had to bathe her, God forbid, but when I'm done I'd clothe her to maintain her dignity, and if I was a male I'd have a woman bathe her so she feels less intruded. It's more about boundary convictions for most of us. Can you respect that? I actually made no negative remark until you started misusing the Bible to defend the lifestyle. The Bible does not further the cause, and I will not help maintain the delusion. Of all the people you mentioned, only Isaiah was naked because he was called by God to make a certain point, and he made the point because nobody else, including other prophets in the temple, was a nudist, they were exposed to the elements but had a piece of linen or sackcloth around their loins (just like Isaiah before he was told to go naked). You yourself, and some others, may not be stumbling (God knows). Someone else might be weaker. I did not pronounce judgment over you specifically, I said that the lifestyle is an occasion for stumbling, and thus many of us disagree with you. I really wish you did not bring this up.

 

[7seasrekeyed]

Jesus Christ was sacrificed for our sin, those days of any other sacrifice are over. Clothing is now a manmade tradition, along with sexual immorality and pornography. Satan has having a great time here destroying mankind with his traditions

apart form God covering Adam and Eve as they were put out of the garden of course

just a little detail though

sexual immorality etc is a result of the fall and the same reason people now cover up

PLUS scripture tells us to dress modestly

the devil will fool anyone he can and deception is well....not knowing you are fooled

 

[7seasrekeyed]

as to the op, that scripture is a relief when you consider the shape this world is in and continued demoralization and hopelessness of people without Christ

it is beautiful to consider and heals the soul of world weary people because it's like we are being told 'don't let the sin drag you down. concentrate on God and His character and He will elevate your view'

 

[Magenta]

WHERE is it written that ANYTHING God created is evil?

Do you deny that man has fallen and a result is the corruption of all creation?

The facts are, God created mankind without clothing and saw that it was good.

Fact is, we do not live in that world any longer, and have not for millennia upon millennia. Adam and Eve were expelled from the garden and the way was blocked to them. We live in that world, a world so evil God decided at one time to wipe all the flesh of the earth from the face of the earth, except for one man, his wife, their three sons, and those sons' respective wives.

Yet, we hear the few pastors that'll address nudity saying, "we're called
by God to dress modest and pure." Beloved, not that it would ever occur,
but IF the entire flock is saved and forgiven of their sins, they could
all be in worship services stark naked and never once offend God.
Adam needed a COVERING for his failure to ask God's forgiveness
but the second Adam, Jesus, provided the only covering a saved
person will ever need before God, His precious Blood-covering.
No, actually, we are clothed in His white ROBES along with His blood.
The problem with the parson's ploy for personal modesty and pureness
is that there's nothing immoral or impure about the naked body - that is
unless that person is carnal-minded when dealing with the subject of
nudity. Many of these impure are Christ-rejectors and unsaved souls.
Everywhere in scripture where it talks of nakedness being covered has
to do with unsaved, unforgiven sinners and never once speaks of the
truly saved, covered-by-the-pure-Blood of Jesus in God's eyes.
http://spiritofprophecy.org/godandnudity.htm . Ughh, I was called to share this.

Gregory, I have nothing against your choice to be as naked as you choose in the privacy of your own home, or any other place where it is appropriate and acceptable. However, we are exhorted not to cause our brothers and sisters to stumble... and what I question is your attitude of nudity should be the norm in a world where sexual deviancy in this fallen world causes much pain and sorrow. Nudity is not the norm, and in Scripture, nakedness is almost always associated with sexual sin and/or shame. Multiple commandments were given against nudity to the Israelites. God did not even want to see man's nudity! There is much instruction given on the importance of clothing in the Bible. That is all

 

[7seasrekeyed]

No longer interested, as the lord says, state your case, if they don't listen, it's there problem. Have a nice day

or cop out because your remarks are indefensible, which you well know

the rest of us have not been beguiled by whatever has whispered to you that sin is only sin if you think it is

it is God who set and does set that standard

not a nudist sitting a desk or wherever and pretending how free he floats above everyone else lol!

 

[Mii]

Just remember, its the person lusting who has sinned, not the nudist. Repent, repent, repent!

I am willing to meet you halfway on nudism, it's not the first time I've engaged it but I think it's a humanistic response to an oversexualized culture (so again, on the fence rather resolutely) but I was curious about a reply to what I posted.

I'm probably one of the most liberal christians you will meet when it comes to "certain things". However holiness is pivotal. There are certain things that aren't for others to see or to know. I wouldn't open myself up to being eye candy for another female or allow my wife to do so (hopefully the feeling is mutual). When someone is hot and bothered it affects everyone. We can all fall, redeemed or not.

Have to be mindful about the lusts of others and the weaker brethren argument.

I think there are a lot of things permissible that I wouldn't ever share unless asked. The boundary is the Lord, mortality, and marriage...you can draw your own conclusions from that.

taking it past that point is error because MT 22:30 MUST factor in. We are not in our glorified bodies free of sin...the enemy is still present!


This is a public forum so that's all I'll relate. There are occultic practices to be mindful of even with your liberty.

Note: none of this is about nudism just a curious statement you made that I asked for clarification on. I'm not coming at you btw.

 

[melita916]

To be honest, I’m only interested in seeing one specific person nekkid.

There. I said it.

 

[maxwel]

No longer interested, as the lord says, state your case, if they don't listen, it's there problem. Have a nice day

You avoided my question, presumably because you're ashamed to answer it.

So I'll ask it again.

Do you believe "sexual immorality" is just our imagination, and that it's unimportant and meaningless?


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[Gregoryp]

Hi Gregoryp,

Maybe I'm thinking of the wrong person - so please correct me if I am - I have read a few of your posts in the past, and clicked on a link you shared because you mentioned that one of your interests is sewing.

I could be remembering wrong, but I thought one of the things you featured on your site was... clothing... that you made (rather well, I might add), and had for sale?

I was just curious as to why, if you don't believe in actually WEARING clothing, why did you've take up MAKING clothes (which are apparently something you don't believe in) as your craft of choice?

I don't mean any disrespect, and am asking this as an honest question.

I just find paradoxes, especially in real life, to be rather intriguing.

God bless.

I think it would be rather ludicrous to be that legalistic to stop wearing clothes nor making them. I do wear clothes when I am out and about. Even the Pharisees went out and mingled with others who didn't believe in there legalistic theology.

 

[Gregoryp]

Some points to make that came to me as I was praying
1/ I don't know what Jesus you people follow and worship, but the one I have been following the past 40 years is strong and loves his people. If he sees any of his chosen ones stumble or get on the wrong path he turns them back. Your Jesus seems to be weak and insipid who lets the enemy take people off the wrong path.
2/ No God in his right mind would create something so beautiful as the naked person , then because of sin, he now thinks its an ugly and detestable sight and needs covering. Jesus died for our sins, being clothed is a manmade tradition. Many manmade traditions were used by God for his purpose, doesn't necessarily mean he agrees with them
3/ My god is not a hypocrite, its ok to see family naked, your spouse, siblings when you were younger, but not okay to see strangers like that. Its ok to see topless women on tv, women in thong bikinis, bra ads on tv, but not to see them downtown? really?
4/ Your responsible for your sin, not others.
5/ The human body is the vessel of the Holy Spirit, again, if its so detestable, then he wouldn't even think of residing in it.
6/ Clothing is now used by the enemy to seperate people, so it becomes individualism and a system of strength. The person in the $1200 suit and tie is now superior to the person who can only afford jeans and shirts from Walmart.
7/ Despite all of the above, I never said I wanted people the world over to be permanently naked
8/ Every christian forum has this issue, as soon as someone with close lifelong relationship with Jesus comes along, they are attacked by Pharisees. Wake up sheeple before its to late

 

[maxwel]

Let's try this again:



You avoided my original question, presumably because you're ashamed to answer it.

So I'll ask it again.

Do you believe "sexual immorality" is just our imagination, and that it's unimportant and meaningless?

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[Gregoryp]

Let's try this again:



You avoided my original question, presumably because you're ashamed to answer it.

So I'll ask it again.

Do you believe "sexual immorality" is just our imagination, and that it's unimportant and meaningless?

..

I believe your a sinner, and obviously lust, please repent. And yes its very important you stop. and for goodness sake don't look at your naked wife or children! If you see a naked person and lust, you have the problem, not us nudists.

 

[maxwel]

I believe your a sinner, and obviously lust, please repent. And yes its very important you stop. and for goodness sake don't look at your naked wife or children! If you see a naked person and lust, you have the problem, not us nudists.

You've avoided the question once again... so lets try it again.



You avoided my original question, presumably because you're ashamed to answer it.

So I'll ask it again.

Do you believe "sexual immorality" is just our imagination, and that it's unimportant and meaningless?

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[Kim82]

I like to think about the following scripture:

1 Corinthians 1: 26 For consider your calling, brothers: not many of you were wise according to worldly standards, not many were powerful, not many were of noble birth. 27 But God chose what is foolish in the world to shame the wise; God chose what is weak in the world to shame the strong; 28 God chose what is low and despised in the world, even things that are not, to bring to nothing things that are, 29 so that no human being might boast in the presence of God.

On the occasions when I feel like I'm not good enough, i think on the fact that, God loves me just as I am, and He will help me and make a way for me.

Its very important to get into agreement with God. If we listen to our own negative thoughts or the unwise sayings of others, it will make us defeated. But there is power in His word and His words are lovely and it is good for us to stay our minds upon it. Amen.

 

[Kim82]

You've avoided the question once again... so lets try it again.



You avoided my original question, presumably because you're ashamed to answer it.

So I'll ask it again.

Do you believe "sexual immorality" is just our imagination, and that it's unimportant and meaningless?

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Oh let it be

 

[Gregoryp]

I like to think about the following scripture:

1 Corinthians 1: 26 For consider your calling, brothers: not many of you were wise according to worldly standards, not many were powerful, not many were of noble birth. 27 But God chose what is foolish in the world to shame the wise; God chose what is weak in the world to shame the strong; 28 God chose what is low and despised in the world, even things that are not, to bring to nothing things that are, 29 so that no human being might boast in the presence of God.

On the occasions when I feel like I'm not good enough, i think on the fact that, God loves me just as I am, and He will help me and make a way for me.

Its very important to get into agreement with God. If we listen to our own negative thoughts or the unwise sayings of others, it will make us defeated. But there is power in His word and His words are lovely and it is good for us to stay our minds upon it. Amen.

Exactly, people have no idea of my journey with Christ or what is planned for me. So many lost people it's frightening.

 

[SoulWeaver]

Uhh Gregory. We are really not against you, why do you have to put things into our mouths? Why do the strawman accusation?
Who of us said that human body was not glorious and beautifully made? We are not covering bodies because we think they are ugly or shameful or disgusting but because it's honorable to the body to properly dress it, and for the sake of healthy boundaries and respect among us. It's like having a beautiful painting, you are going to frame it, it's proper and right thing to do. Clothes honor the body like a crown honors the head. It does not mean to obsess with clothes. It does not mean to think human body is disgusting. And Christians do not consume pornography, and likewise are not interested at all to pry at other people's privacy (not saying you want to pry just try to understand where the people are coming from). If someone likes to rest from clothes in the house alone or with spouse, or likes to sleep without clothes for comfort or likes to enjoy naked bath in the river in wilderness or sunbathe on a secluded shore where they won't be an offense, pretty much nothing wrong with that, I believe, for the most of us. But measure matters for all things and how far people want to go with their freedoms... You know how Paul teaches that food sacrificed to idols is nothing because idols are nothing. Yet warns that a brother should not be made to stumble. And in Revelation we have Jesus very angry with the false prophetess telling people to eat meat sacrificed to idols. So why is Jesus angry, if idol meat is nothing? Because the freedom was taken too far and became offense. The Bible disagrees with you extensively about responsibility for others and not being a stumblingblock for others with your freedoms. You don't want to be judged for your lifestyle yet you judge everybody else to be a sinner, why, because we are concerned someone might stumble, then you turn that into ad hominem argument. I overlooked it against myself, doesn't matter, but you're doing it repeatedly to most people in the conversation. Please don't treat others in ways you wouldn't like yourself treated. I would like if you would answer some questions related to marriage. What is for you the institution of marriage and how should it be guarded? Also, what is the difference between relationship with spouse and relationships with all other believers according to you? Why are believers considered one in Jesus, yet only husband and wife are told to be one flesh and know each other's nakedness, so why is the distinction there, spouse vs other believers and if there's a different degree of intimacy prescribed, where does the need for this arise from if we are one in Christ? I am not trying to snare you with these questions, but to come to the root of differences and maybe - hopefully - help you understand where we're coming from.

 

[Kim82]

Exactly, people have no idea of my journey with Christ or what is planned for me. So many lost people it's frightening.

 

[Kim82]

Wonderful topic. Wish we could stick to it