So, I guess the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil, as well, bore this magical fruit that opened the eyes of all eaters to behold both Good and Evil? 
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No. IMHO the tree of the knowledge of good and evil was just some ordinary fruit tree that was declared out of bounds for Adam and Eve. Taking from it was distrust and rebellion towards God, and the practise of distrust and rebellion gave them their first experience of and understanding of good vs. evil. No magical fruit IMO.
I say that a thrice Holy God could not and would not proclaim the naive or ignorant in such a way. You need to prove from scripture that ignorance and naivety are virtues. Give me one text of scripture whereby either of these evils are spoken of in praiseworthy manner. If you can't, I can prove they're not.
Gen 1:
26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.
31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.
31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
What you highlighted does not prove your premise that spiritual ignorance or naivete are virtues in the bible. Most of us know that man was created "very good" until Adam sinned. God did not eject Adam out of the Garden and curse the entire creation because He thought Adam was still "very good after he sinned.
GEN 6:5 The Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intention of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
It is clear that man comes into this world with a sinful nature and cannot please God until his heart has been circumcised. Therefore, the work of the Spirit and hearing/believing God's word is necessary before any repentance would ever be acceptable to God.
It is clear that man comes into this world with a sinful nature and cannot please God until his heart has been circumcised. Therefore, the work of the Spirit and hearing/believing God's word is necessary before any repentance would ever be acceptable to God.
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What you highlighted does not prove your premise that spiritual ignorance or naivete are virtues in the bible. Most of us know that man was created "very good" until Adam sinned. God did not eject Adam out of the Garden and curse the entire creation because He thought Adam was still "very good after he sinned.
My granddaughter had been insisting on my attention when I typed my response, and I now see that the word "were" was deleted when I entered my response referring to "the first two people,' who were "very good." Perhaps you were confused since I used the word "born" instead of "created."
Do you think Adam & Eve were created morally astute? Or does your reply apply to them?
Do you think Adam & Eve were created morally astute? Or does your reply apply to them?
I think I am in agreement, although I would put repentance between hearing and believing, As repentance is the term used to describe a person who has been in a state of unbelief, and now through the help of God turned to a state of belief. and this belief is what gets him to call out to God to be saved (born again)
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You may be correct! With me, it happened so fast that I could not say for sure. All that I can say: is that my heart was changed and prepared to hear the message in a way that would not have been possible otherwise!
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