What does sanctification have to do with salvation?

[MessageOfTheCross]

The Cross of Christ is as necessary for sanctification as it is for salvation (1 Cor. 1:18).

John 6:53 - "Except you eat the Flesh of the Son of Man, and drink His Blood (i.e., the Cross, i.e., The Finished Work), you have no life in you," (presents the demand that caused "many of His Disciples to go back, and walk no more with Him" (John 6:66). It does the same presently! This Verse tells us the degree of believing that is required; it refers to the Cross being the total Object of one's belief; failing that, there is no Life in you.)

John 6:66 - From that time many of His Disciples went back, and walk no more with Him.

Sanctifying peace allows the Holy Spirit to deliver the Believer into the death of Christ so Christ life is manifested through the Believer (2 Cor. 4:11, Gal. 2:20-21, Romans 8:2,13, John 14:21). I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me (Who Jesus Is), and gave himself for me (What Jesus Has Done on the Cross for us where the victory was won). Gal. 2:20

If The Believer doesn't enter into the LORD's rest, they die in the wilderness...only a few enter into His rest!

JSM

 

[JohnTalmid]

glorification would have to do with the body that has been purchased with the blood of CHRIST but has not yet been redeemed.I'm not real sure I understand what you mean by glorification Is a gift.

Sanctification Is like what Paul wrote In
Romans 12:1-2
King James Version


1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.

2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.
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Of course GOD creates the Born again Christians spirit perfect and truly right and seals that spirit but this Is talking about sanctification which has to do with living holy and No one can see the kingdom without holiness IMO, means no one looking at that Christian will understand holiness If that Christian Is not In the process of sanctification In their walk.
I agree.
Ephesians 2:8
King James Version

8For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

Thank you for your great comment and glorification as I have given you in this post as a gift is the renewed body or, "glorified body". I believe that this also is a gift. I look forward to it

 

[JohnTalmid]

For the message of the Cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God (1 Cor. 1:18).

How do Christians enter into sanctification who are being saved? What is Gods chosen only way to enter into sanctification?

Trust and obey

 

[mailmandan]

How does the Holy Spirit keep us washed, sanctified and justified daily? Also, how do Believers receive GRACE?

Romans 5:1 - Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, 2 through whom also we have access by faith into this grace in which we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.

John 13:10 - Jesus said to him, “He who is bathed needs only to wash his feet, but is completely clean; and you are clean, but not all of you.” 11 For He knew who would betray Him (Judas Iscariot) ; therefore He said, “You are not all clean.”

 

[JohnTalmid]

How do Christians enter into sanctification?

Trust, (the son) and obey, (the Father)

 

[mailmandan]

Question for all? What does Jesus mean when He said, "Whoever eats My flesh AND drinks My blood has eternal life? Also, how does a Believer do what Jesus is asking them to do? Why did many of His Disciple say this is too hard and walked no more with Jesus (6:53-66)?

Jesus is the Bread of Life. Just as food and drink meet our physical needs, the flesh and blood of Christ are offered to meet our spiritual needs. John 6:35 - "I am the bread of life. He who comes to Me shall never hunger, and he who believes in Me shall never thirst." As He was accustomed, Jesus used figurative language to emphasize these spiritual truths. Jesus explains the sense of the entire passage when He says in John 6:63 - "It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life."

By faith we partake of Christ, and the benefits of His bodily sacrifice on the cross and shed blood. Eating and drinking here is not literally with the mouth and the digestive organs, but the reception of God’s grace by believing in Christ, as He makes it very clear by repeating the same truths below:

John 6:40 - Everyone who looks to the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day.

John 6:54 - Whoever eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day.

John 6:47 - Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me has everlasting life.

John 6:58 - He who eats this bread will live forever.

"He who believes" in Christ is equivalent to "he who eats this bread and drinks My blood" as the result is the same - eternal life.

John 6 does not support the false Roman Catholic doctrine of transubstantiation. On the contrary, it's on the primacy of faith as the means by which we receive the grace of God. Jesus is the Bread of Life and we eat of Him and are satisfied when we believe in Him.

Bread represents the "staff of life." Sustenance. That which essential to sustain life. Just as bread or sustenance is necessary to maintain physical life, Jesus is all the sustenance necessary for spiritual life.

The source of physical life is blood -- "life is in the blood." As with the bread, just as blood is the empowering or source of life physically, Jesus is all the source of spiritual life necessary.

 

[mailmandan]

Also, how does a Believer do what Jesus is asking them to do? Why did many of His Disciple say this is too hard and walked no more with Jesus (6:53-66)?

Apparently, these many disciples thought Jesus was talking about "literally" eating His flesh and drinking His blood, contrary to the law (Leviticus 17:11-14; Deuteronomy 12:23) which would explain why they considered what Jesus said to be a "hard saying" and would also explain why they were offended and "went back and walked with Him no more."

This was no surprise to Jesus as He stated in John 6:64 that there are some of you who do not believe and Jesus knew from the beginning who they were who did not believe, and who would betray Him. Also, in John 8:31, Jesus stated that - "If you continue in My word, then you are truly disciples of Mine." Those who do not continue in His word were not truly His disciples, even though they initially set out to be a learner, pupil, follower of Jesus.

 

[mailmandan]

Faith in Who? Faith in What?

Jesus Christ and His finished work of redemption. (Romans 3:24-28)

 

[eternally-gratefull]

All those cut and pastes

And he still has not proven that one can maintain their eternal life. And that sanctification is the means of how we earn or maintain our justification.

PS. I agree wiht him on one thing,

The cross is necessary for sanctification also.

Without the cross. You could never be saved

WIhtout salvation you could not be given the power of God

Without th epower of God, you will never be sanctified

 

[seed_time_harvest]

Thank you for your great comment and glorification as I have given you in this post as a gift is the renewed body or, "glorified body". I believe that this also is a gift. I look forward to it

I'm thinking that glorification Is talking about we will be like JESUS when HE comes back for we will see HIM as HE IS.

 

[7seasrekeyed]

for those who seem to think sanctification is some kind of work to be avoided at all costs and that it indicates someone who does not understand salvation, sanctification is actually the process through which a follower of Christ PROVES they are saved

no sanctification = no depth= no change = lip service only

15Beware of false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves.16By their fruit you will recognize them. Are grapes gathered from thornbushes, or figs from thistles?17Likewise, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. 19Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20So then, by their fruit you will recognize them.

21Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’ Matthew 7

the fruit is not the works and the works are not self effort

it is life in the Spirit of God and sanctification is not the work of human hands, but the work of the Holy Spirit in our lives

 

[7seasrekeyed]

24Therefore everyone who hears these words of Mine and acts on them is like a wise man who built his house on the rock. 25The rain fell, the torrents raged, and the winds blew and beat against that house; yet it did not fall, because its foundation was on the rock.

26But everyone who hears these words of Mine and does not act on them is like a foolish man who built his house on sand. 27The rain fell, the torrents raged, and the winds blew and beat against that house, and it fell—and great was its collapse!”

Matthew 7

 

[seed_time_harvest]

for those who seem to think sanctification is some kind of work to be avoided at all costs and that it indicates someone who does not understand salvation, sanctification is actually the process through which a follower of Christ PROVES they are saved

no sanctification = no depth= no change = lip service only

15Beware of false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves.16By their fruit you will recognize them. Are grapes gathered from thornbushes, or figs from thistles?17Likewise, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. 19Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20So then, by their fruit you will recognize them.

21Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’ Matthew 7

the fruit is not the works and the works are not self effort

it is life in the Spirit of God and sanctification is not the work of human hands, but the work of the Holy Spirit in our lives

Would I be right In summing up your post to be the same as this scripture?☺️
Romans 12:1-2
King James Version


1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.

2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Would I be right In summing up your post to be the same as this scripture?☺️
Romans 12:1-2
King James Version


1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.

2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

Can you name a person who thinks sanctification is a work that should be avoided at all costs?

I see much accusation from many poeple. But not one stitch of evidence that what you claim is true.

All these accusations comming from people who claim to be christian. Thats prety sad, and is not being honest with yourselves or the people you are accusing which do not do the things they are accused of doing.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I'm thinking that glorification Is talking about we will be like JESUS when HE comes back for we will see HIM as HE IS.

Amen, It will be when our conditional sanctification matches our positional sanctification, When we will truly be completely like christ.

Until then it is an ongoing race, as paul said, lets continue to run that race and never think we have arrived, for when we do, we are in serious trouble

 

[7seasrekeyed]

Would I be right In summing up your post to be the same as this scripture?☺️
Romans 12:1-2
King James Version


1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.

2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

yes you would

and not only that...but Paul says it is reasonable

something to actually think about and not dismiss! reasonable that we respond with our lives as Christ gave His for us

 

[JohnTalmid]

Sanctification is DUAL in usage......

a. Positionally we are sanctified ETERNALLY in Christ
b. Our daily lives and how we walk is a process of growth and maturity based upon the transformation described in Romans 12

Where does this positional rhetoric come from? Justification is a matter of using the faith provided by the Father to believe in Jesus the Messiah. The work in us the Holy Spirit has commissioned himself is manifold. That I'd yes it was the Holy Spirit that has allowed us to see the depraved condition of our souls. This no one can see the Kingdom without holiness. Justice for the Father is allowing the person who practices righteousness to be considered righteous beforehand. It is justice for God to show us sin and reveal the source of Salvation through the mediator the Messiah. Justification is

Lol, Thank, You just PROVED MY POINT

Then Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in you. 54 Whoever eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. 55 For My flesh is [k]food indeed, and My blood is [l]drink indeed. 56 He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood abides in Me, and I in him. 57 As the living Father sent Me, and I live because of the Father, so he who feeds on Me will live because of Me. 58 This is the bread which came down from heaven—not as your fathers ate the manna, and are dead. He who eats this bread will live forever.”

What is all of this about Eating the food which ENDURES forever, Not the food which DIES.

You continually eat food which dies, because if you do not continue to eat it, You yourself will die

The food which endures forever, YOU EAT ONCE< and IT WILL NEVER DIE< thus YOU WILL NEVER DIE.

Your trying to feed the people of CC manna, Not spiritual food which endures forever

The food eaten from Heaven you do not eat only once if you do it correctly. You eat it once a year or maybe twice a year. The Passover is the day in which we eat this bread, and drink this wine.

The sacrament of the church is a doctrine of demons and this is why so many of us are sick among the assembly.

You are sanctified, (set apart) first by the grace, (favor) of God when you believe and trust in the one sent. Then to continue to be sanctified apart from the justification provided us by Grace through Faith you obey the Father.
It's not hard to understand just difficult to rap our corrupt hearts around

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Where does this positional rhetoric come from? Justification is a matter of using the faith provided by the Father to believe in Jesus the Messiah. The work in us the Holy Spirit has commissioned himself is manifold. That I'd yes it was the Holy Spirit that has allowed us to see the depraved condition of our souls. This no one can see the Kingdom without holiness. Justice for the Father is allowing the person who practices righteousness to be considered righteous beforehand. It is justice for God to show us sin and reveal the source of Salvation through the mediator the Messiah. Justification is

Hebrews, for by ONE SACRIFICE he HAS PERFECTED FOREVER (also known as justified, born again, redeemed, Positionally sanctified etc etc) those who are being sanctified (conditional sanctification)

The food eaten from Heaven you do not eat only once if you do it correctly. You eat it once a year or maybe twice a year. The Passover is the day in which we eat this bread, and drink this wine.

Why do you have to eat this food if whoever eats it will never hunger or thirst, and they will never die.

If you have to eat it ever again, It does not what Jesus promised it would do. It did nto endure forever as he promised,

The sacrament of the church is a doctrine of demons and this is why so many of us are sick among the assembly.

Not sure what you mean here

[qupte]You are sanctified, (set apart) first by the grace, (favor) of God when you believe and trust in the one sent. [/quote]

Yes this is called positional sanctification as I said before

Then to continue to be sanctified apart from the justification provided us by Grace through Faith you obey the Father.

Yes, this is conditional sanctification which may change day to day, it is our current state wherever we are in our walk at that one moment,

It's not hard to understand just difficult to rap our corrupt hearts around

Yes I agree..

 

[JohnTalmid]

My apologies, Justification is not without sanctification. It is Jesus setting us apart however. Justification is not unlike this analogy. Though the Earth quakes and the heavens are shaken His throne does not move. Justification is done when you accept the responsibility for your sin's and acknowledge your need for the Savior. You can know you where not justified if you don't want to, or continue to cleanse yourself. Practice righteousness word the goal of being made Holy and perfect by God at the return of Messiah.

 

[JohnTalmid]

Hebrews, for by ONE SACRIFICE he HAS PERFECTED FOREVER (also known as justified, born again, redeemed, Positionally sanctified etc etc) those who are being sanctified (conditional sanctification)




Why do you have to eat this food if whoever eats it will never hunger or thirst, and they will never die.

If you have to eat it ever again, It does not what Jesus promised it would do. It did nto endure forever as he promised,


Not sure what you mean here

[qupte]You are sanctified, (set apart) first by the grace, (favor) of God when you believe and trust in the one sent.

Yes this is called positional sanctification as I said before



Yes, this is conditional sanctification which may change day to day, it is our current state wherever we are in our walk at that one moment,


Yes I agree.. [/QUOTE]
But this theologically biased term and not truth. Your definition of conditional sanctification is justification. Sanctification comes in when we apply the word of God in our lives.

When you eat the sacrament don't you again hunger? How about the bread itself is it unleavened?