What does the Law REALLY say?

[Kerry]

The law say's look to the cross. If the law was sufficient then why did God become a man and die on the cross?

 

[Dan_473]

I believe that blessing is in realizing that the OT Law points to Jesus Christ. Focusing on the Old Law to obey is taking a step backwards and it is not about taking a step forwards in obeying the NT commands (Which at many times conflicts with OT Law). The Law we are to obey now is the Law of Christ (Galatians 6:2) or the Law of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus (Romans 8:2), which is also called the royal law (James 2:8) that says we are to love our neighbor (Which fulfills the Law) (Romans 13:8-10).

We are not to follow the Law of Moses anymore. For those Laws were for the nation of Israel.

We are to obey...

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/99639-new-testament-commands.html#post1697900

'I believe that blessing is in realizing that the OT Law points to Jesus Christ'... that's certainly one of the blessings! I was surprised to learn that there's also a blessing in meditating! 'Focusing on the Old Law to obey...' well, I'm into meditating on it...

 

[Dan_473]

Jesus lived Psalm 1 for us,
and is creating Psalm 1 in us.

totally true! also I've found that meditating on Torah brings a joyful experience!

 

[Kerry]

'I believe that blessing is in realizing that the OT Law points to Jesus Christ'... that's certainly one of the blessings! I was surprised to learn that there's also a blessing in meditating! 'Focusing on the Old Law to obey...' well, I'm into meditating on it...

I started to like that, till you said focus on the law to obey. The fact is you cannot obey until you focus on the cross. Man is bent on sin and it takes the Holy Spirit to avoid sin and the Holy Spirit will only work through faith in the cross.

 

[Dan_473]

We can't be double minded. We can't feed both the Spirit and our flesh.

Matthew 13:24-30
Jesus presented another parable to them, saying, “The kingdom of heaven may be compared to a man who sowed good seed in his field.25 But while his men were sleeping, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went away.26 But when the wheat sprouted and bore grain, then the tares became evident also.27 The slaves of the landowner came and said to him, ‘Sir, did you not sow good seed in your field? How then does it have tares?’28 And he said to them, ‘An enemy has done this!’ The slaves *said to him, ‘Do you want us, then, to go and gather them up?’29 But he *said, ‘No; for while you are gathering up the tares, you may uproot the wheat with them.30 Allow both to grow together until the harvest; and in the time of the harvest I will say to the reapers, “First gather up the tares and bind them in bundles to burn them up; but gather the wheat into my barn.”’”

yes! an excellent interpretation of the passage!

 

[cfultz3]

Jesus lived Psalm 1 for us,
and is creating Psalm 1 in us.

You are so full of it....Truth that is

Psalms is indeed about the MALE who has never/not.....cannot be one of us, because we have

Love you, Sister

 

[Kerry]

Please explain how one can be saved and grow through law?

 

[cfultz3]

Please explain how one can be saved and grow through law?

We grow through the Spirit's Law (God's Law): Love.

We are Divinely instructed (instructed by God) for this purpose: to love one another.

If we love, we are in the Light as He is in the Light.

We grow by Love.

 

[psychomom]

You are so full of it....Truth that is

Psalms is indeed about the MALE who has never/not.....cannot be one of us, because we have

Love you, Sister

one day we will meet, and we'll jump up and down and giggle like little girls
for the joy we will have.

i love you, too, my Brother. ♥

 

[AHealingPen]

... and @Kerry may I add,

What does the law really say? Look at the cross...


AND WHAT DOES YOUR HEART SEE?
WHAT DOES YOUR MIND SAY YOU SHOULD DO?

Analyze the laws? The words that have already been spoken? the words that have been made clarified by Jesus when he came and spoke?

or What?

It should show you the ultimate sacrifice. One that you or I could not make in our state of mind.

Kerry this is not for you but, for those who just don't get it.

 

[KohenMatt]

Please explain how one can be saved and grow through law?

Who said the Law saves? What are you talking about?

 

[Revelator7]

If we look at the majority of the Law-related threads, there are usually very few references to the laws themselves. Instead, they are usually referred to as a whole unit and judged or analyzed as such. These laws are usually deemed to be burdensome and inapplicable to Christians today. However, when these commands are looked individually and on their own merit, they can provide great insight and application for Christians today. While some of them are in fact not applicable due to there being no temple, the majority of them are.

So for the sake of information and clarity, I'll be posting the actual commands and verses of all 613 laws in groups of their relevant sections (not all at once). I'm using the grouping and ordering as compiled by the Jewish scholar Maimonides, aka Rambam.

Finally, someone who makes sense.

 

[JaumeJ]

Those who teach against the commandments of God have been informed that no one of us who belive we should at least obey our Heavenly Father has ever said we can be saved by obeying the law. It has been posted in this thread alone several times, but it is the favorite theme of those who interpret grace as being without law, that is to say, lawless.
If our parents in this age are privileged to lay down the rules of behavior for their children, would those who believe they are childrenof the Most High God deny their own Father this right? It is His right, and not a privilege.
As I believe Just-Me posted, it would be chaos of the children did not have guidelines for good behavior. We are indeed components of the Body of Christ, but our thinking is from the brain which is in the Head, that being Jesus Christ, and He is the Word.............all of the Word, amen.

Who said the Law saves? What are you talking about?

 

[Dan_473]

I started to like that, till you said focus on the law to obey. The fact is you cannot obey until you focus on the cross. Man is bent on sin and it takes the Holy Spirit to avoid sin and the Holy Spirit will only work through faith in the cross.

'Focusing on the Old Law to obey...' is quoted from what Jason wrote... I was saying I was into something different... meditating on...

 

[Dan_473]

You are so full of it....Truth that is

Psalms is indeed about the MALE who has never/not.....cannot be one of us, because we have

Love you, Sister

very true! so, I have these joyful experiences meditating in the law... I'm not sure how it works... ps1 gave me the idea to try it... will it work with any passage of scripture? yes... somehow, though, meditating on Torah is different...

 

[cfultz3]

very true! so, I have these joyful experiences meditating in the law... I'm not sure how it works... ps1 gave me the idea to try it... will it work with any passage of scripture? yes... somehow, though, meditating on Torah is different...

If you think Psalms 1 says something, listen to what it says about the Son during His reign in Psalms 2:

Psa 2:10-12 Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: be instructed, ye judges of the earth. Serve the LORD with fear, and rejoice with trembling. Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.

The Son to the Father:

Psa 86:11 Teach me thy way, O LORD; I will walk in thy truth: unite my heart to fear thy name.

If the Son thought it good to be instructed by Jehovah, then let us not forget that it also says we are taught by God for this purpose: to love.

If only we give ear to what the Spirit says upon the track which has the Son as our Forerunner, we would know God's way: love undivided.

 

[Elin]

Those who teach against the commandments of God have been informed that no one of us who belive we should at least obey our Heavenly Father has ever said we can be saved by obeying the law. It has been posted in this thread alone several times, but it is the favorite theme of those who interpret
grace as being without law, that is to say, lawless.

That is not advocated in the NT.

That is an intellectually dishonest charge levied by those who have no NT warrant for their Levitical law keeping.

 

[Dan_473]

Please explain how one can be saved and grow through law?

I don't think one can be saved through the law... I think a person can grow by pondering any portion of scripture...

 

[Dan_473]

If you think Psalms 1 says something, listen to what it says about the Son during His reign in Psalms 2:

Psa 2:10-12 Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: be instructed, ye judges of the earth. Serve the LORD with fear, and rejoice with trembling. Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.

The Son to the Father:

Psa 86:11 Teach me thy way, O LORD; I will walk in thy truth: unite my heart to fear thy name.

If the Son thought it good to be instructed by Jehovah, then let us not forget that it also says we are taught by God for this purpose: to love.

If only we give ear to what the Spirit says upon the track which has the Son as our Forerunner, we would know God's way: love undivided.

I'm not sure if I'm following you here... are you saying that if a person pursued love undivided then they would lose interest in learning more about Torah?

 

[cfultz3]

I'm not sure if I'm following you here... are you saying that if a person pursued love undivided then they would lose interest in learning more about Torah?

All I am saying is that God's Way is fulfilled by Christ' Law: love. And Yes, God's Law is to be found in those laws which speak of love for God and others, Proverbs, and Psalms, etc....

I was pointing out how we are to be instructed, how even the Son sought to be instructed from Jehovah.