He has never said otherwise, so do not say things which are not true. Here is what he told you: "I know however that we cannot saves ourselves by following the law (10 commandments). Only Jesus who came to us to proclaim the Kingdom of Heaven could fulfill this. With Jesus's death and suffering, he made it possible for us to have salvation and eternal life."
What if God had written IN STONE?
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“For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes. For Moses writes that the man who practices the righteousness which is based on law shall live by that righteousness. But the righteousness based on faith speaks as follows, ‘Do not say in your heart, “Who will ascend into heaven?” (that is, bring Christ down), or “Who will descend into the abyss?” (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead).’ But what does it say? ‘The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart’ – that is, the word of faith which we are preaching.” Romans 10: 4-8
plainly, scripture does not agree with you. Moses, through whom God gave the law INCLUDING the 10 commandments, states that no one who practices the righteousness of the law, meaning those who seek to follow it through their flesh, lives by righteousness.
The righteousness God seeks and approves of is based on faith in His Son.
again, the Bible does not agree with you, not matter how much you try to say otherwise
plainly, scripture does not agree with you. Moses, through whom God gave the law INCLUDING the 10 commandments, states that no one who practices the righteousness of the law, meaning those who seek to follow it through their flesh, lives by righteousness.
The righteousness God seeks and approves of is based on faith in His Son.
again, the Bible does not agree with you, not matter how much you try to say otherwise
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End = purpose/objective.
To what end are we to obey the Law?
Jesus is the end of the Law for righteousness to those who believe.
Jesus is the purpose or objective in our obedience to the Law.
We are to emulate Him and His righteousness - that is the purpose/objective in obeying the Law; and His blood covers us, purifying and sanctifying us before God Almighty - IF only IF we believe and put our faith in Christ Jesus. His blood and Spirit are our advocate before the Father. Therefore, our lack of perfection in keeping the Commandments matters not as long as we are sincerely attempting to follow in His footsteps.
That's the Good News!
To what end are we to obey the Law?
Jesus is the end of the Law for righteousness to those who believe.
Jesus is the purpose or objective in our obedience to the Law.
We are to emulate Him and His righteousness - that is the purpose/objective in obeying the Law; and His blood covers us, purifying and sanctifying us before God Almighty - IF only IF we believe and put our faith in Christ Jesus. His blood and Spirit are our advocate before the Father. Therefore, our lack of perfection in keeping the Commandments matters not as long as we are sincerely attempting to follow in His footsteps.
That's the Good News!
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The Law of God is perfect.
Psalm 19:7
The 10 Commandments cover every single sin of man.
Obeying them is the entire responsibility of mankind before God.
Eccles. 12:13
Keeping the 10 Commandments brings joy to one's life.
Prov. 29:18
The Commandments give your physical body health and add peace to your life.
Prov. 3:1-2
Only by the 10 Commandments can we know if we are pleasing, or displeasing, God.
Rom. 3:20
James 1:23-25
We were commanded to obey God's Law for our own good ... always.
Deut. 6:4
Psalm 19:7
The 10 Commandments cover every single sin of man.
Obeying them is the entire responsibility of mankind before God.
Eccles. 12:13
Keeping the 10 Commandments brings joy to one's life.
Prov. 29:18
The Commandments give your physical body health and add peace to your life.
Prov. 3:1-2
Only by the 10 Commandments can we know if we are pleasing, or displeasing, God.
Rom. 3:20
James 1:23-25
We were commanded to obey God's Law for our own good ... always.
Deut. 6:4
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God didn't tell us to "act like Jesus acted" or to "emulate Him". Rather, He told us to believe on the One whom He has sent. All of your preaching about obeying the Law because Jesus obeyed the Law is in vain.
Jesus is not the "purpose" or "objective". He is the Lord God Almighty and the end of the Law for those who believe.
Jesus is not the "purpose" or "objective". He is the Lord God Almighty and the end of the Law for those who believe.
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Which commandment covers a woman who fails to purify herself after childbirth? Which covers bringing the wrong kind of animal for a sacrifice? Which covers a high priest marrying a widow? Which covers living in a house with mildew? Which covers avoiding military service? Which covers weaving a garment with two kinds of thread? Which covers eating pork, camel, or clams? Which covers living in your house during Sukkot?
I would suggest you keep reading past Exodus 20. There are three and a half more books of Law you seem to have missed.
I would suggest you keep reading past Exodus 20. There are three and a half more books of Law you seem to have missed.
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- there is no NT injunction to observe ceremonial sabbath
- the record of 1st century and later church writings is that they did not observe sabbath
- this is strong evidence against your position that the 10 commandments are the basis of Christian faith and that they were "obeyed" as a law for Christian believers
- to show otherwise you will need to demonstrate:
- the NT teaches all believers to keep the sabbath of the Judaic covenant
- the church from the earliest time did so and taught it was required
- i am not 'seeking contradiction to the final word' --- i do not agree that the decalogue is the basis of Christianity. previously stated a number of times, no, Jesus Christ is the foundation of our faith, not the 10 commandments. the "final word" IMO is "THE WORD" --- i am trying to show you that your position is incorrect by showing that it contradicts the scripture and the history of the church.
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that's a crazy statement giving you license to re-write history to make it say whatever you need it to say in order to support whatever you want it to support. it's equivalent to flat-earth idiots dismissing any and all evidence as "ENORMOUS NASA CONSPIRACY WHICH CONTROLS ALL INFORMATION EVERYWHERE"
it's patently false. you're asking me to believe that anything that contradicts your position is de-facto manufactured solely on the basis that it contradicts your position. i'm sorry, but objectively, that's ridiculous.
have a look for just one example at "dialogue with Trypho" written 200 years before Constantine.
it is definitive.
it's patently false. you're asking me to believe that anything that contradicts your position is de-facto manufactured solely on the basis that it contradicts your position. i'm sorry, but objectively, that's ridiculous.
have a look for just one example at "dialogue with Trypho" written 200 years before Constantine.
it is definitive.
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there is no place in the NT where Christ said "do no work on the sabbath" - in fact His life & teachings utterly contradict this. He said when reproached for doing works on sabbath, "My Father is always working, and I also" - - clearly not in accordance with the plain reading of the Law - - making this an absolutely AMAZING statement - - and in another place when accosted because His disciples did work on sabbath, His reply was that David did what was definitely unlawful by eating shewbread and The Law requires the priests to "desecrate" every sabbath ((God's wird not mine)) without guilt.
NOWHERE do we read of Jesus commanding His disciples to do no work on sabbaths.
so - - is this also as you say, pre-written fake history to promote sunday worship??
If do i cannot trust any scripture at all, and am free to create whatever god pleases me.
there is no place in the NT where Christ said "do no work on the sabbath" - in fact His life & teachings utterly contradict this. He said when reproached for doing works on sabbath, "My Father is always working, and I also" - - clearly not in accordance with the plain reading of the Law - - making this an absolutely AMAZING statement - - and in another place when accosted because His disciples did work on sabbath, His reply was that David did what was definitely unlawful by eating shewbread and The Law requires the priests to "desecrate" every sabbath ((God's wird not mine)) without guilt.
NOWHERE do we read of Jesus commanding His disciples to do no work on sabbaths.
so - - is this also as you say, pre-written fake history to promote sunday worship??
If do i cannot trust any scripture at all, and am free to create whatever god pleases me.
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this is Christ tacitly admitting His disciples break the sabbath but insisting that there is One Greater present - - the very LORD OF THE SABBATH.
His argument against the accusation of the Pharisee is that He is greater than sabbath, not that they are wrong, that He teaches sabbath observance.
why would His servants fast when their King is with them? they would fast when He is absent.
What therfore is the teaching?
find yourself in the Bible, lol
His argument against the accusation of the Pharisee is that He is greater than sabbath, not that they are wrong, that He teaches sabbath observance.
why would His servants fast when their King is with them? they would fast when He is absent.
What therfore is the teaching?
find yourself in the Bible, lol
i will never teach against honoring sabbath ceremonially. but i am fully prepared to defend any brother or sister who "considers each day alike" from their accuser.
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