What if you were aborted?

[blue_ladybug]

Then I would have missed going through all the crap that I've been through in the last 47 years... lol

 

[joefizz]

I would have to agree with nessuno, impossible to answer.

An aborted child would never experience life on this earth, the pain, heartaches and fear this are common to us. It is possible that the child would not even understand the answer the mother gave.

This assumes the child is even able to enter the Kingdom of God since some here believe that a person must be born of "water" (amniotic fluid) to enter the kingdom.

Yeah rather along the lines of "bizarre" for in this scenario a fetus "cannot sin" and even if the unborn child could God/Jesus makes intercession for such a child,a "water baptism" would be "irrelevant".

 

[Tinkerbell725]

Then I would have missed going through all the crap that I've been through in the last 47 years... lol

Or CC would be happy if there is no blue lady bug. JK!

I mean CC would be lonely...

 

[tourist]

Or CC would be happy if there is no blue lady bug. JK!

I mean CC would be lonely...

I agree. It would be a sad place without Lady Blue.

 

[blue_ladybug]

Uh huh.. I see how it is now... lol

Or CC would be happy if there is no blue lady bug. JK!

I mean CC would be lonely...

 

[joefizz]

No murderer hath eternal life dwelling in them.....the babies will testify against the mothers who aborted them as well as all who are guilty by association!

Apologies D but this time around...
You are "wrong" naturally I know where you get your information "Revelation" and other scriptures but remember a "murderer" even a "willful murderer" can "still accept salvation" if they "ask for forgiveness and are sincerely sorry for their sin and "repent" as best they can and even "water baptism" can "remove that past sin" and it "no longer be remembered by God/Jesus" so there is still "time" for hypothetical mother in this story "to repent" and "be saved" before her judgement/death,and so in this way it is "true" that no murderer enters heaven for remember "what the Lord has cleansed that shalt thou not call common or unclean".

 

[Ariel82]

And aborted fetuses' souls go straight to heaven. And 50 years later your mother went to heaven, what would you say to her?

I forgive and love you.

If she is in Heaven, she repented and accepted Jesus.

If God forgave her, then why wouldn't I?

 

[joefizz]

I forgive and love you.

If she is in Heaven, she repented and accepted Jesus.

If God forgave her, then why wouldn't I?

my sentiments exactly.

 

[joefizz]

I agree. It would be a sad place without Lady Blue.

It would be so very sad at CC without blue lady bug....

 

[Angela53510]

No murderer hath eternal life dwelling in them.....the babies will testify against the mothers who aborted them as well as all who are guilty by association!

When I attended a church about 10 years after I was saved, a man started a prison ministry and I decided to try it out. I found out that man had been a murderer, served his time, and got saved, not necessarily in that order.

He believed God has totally forgiven him, although he said forgiving himself was the hardest thing to do. He also knew God could save those people he had left behind in prison, and was very dedicated in going into prisons with people like me, to witness about Jesus.

Prison ministry didn't work out for me, because I was allergic to cigarette smoking, but I know a lot of people got saved through his ministry. How ridiculous to think that a murderer is beyond the reach of God.

A good friend of mine didn't know she was pregnant, and then got a bunch of toxic vaccines to go overseas. She was not a Christian at the time, listened to her doctors, and aborted the unborn baby. We will never know if it was damaged or not, till we get to heaven.

My friend actually had a breakdown over it, and then another mutual friend led her to the Lord. The woman who had the abortion got into counselling with pro-life agencies, both with pregnant women, and those who were having break downs, because they realized what they had done.

Abortion is evil, I have no argument with you there. But, God can forgive a woman who has had an abortion, no matter what the reason. So, perhaps stop being so judgmental about something, when you know nothing about what those women are going through, or why. And the ridiculous ideas that God can't and won't save those women, and that they won't be reunited with those babies, one day, if they are saved.

 

[DJ2]

I forgive and love you.

If she is in Heaven, she repented and accepted Jesus.

If God forgave her, then why wouldn't I?

What about Christians who die proclaiming abortion is acceptable under certain conditions? I am not talking about OSAS believers (their always saved) but simply sincere believers in general?

 

[outlier]

I agree,situational ethics questions are a waste of time.

If I ask it, it's not a waste of time.

 

[outlier]

Yeah rather along the lines of "bizarre" for in this scenario a fetus "cannot sin" and even if the unborn child could God/Jesus makes intercession for such a child,a "water baptism" would be "irrelevant".

So I guess that the child goes to heaven and God will give him everything he needs to \function as an adult.

 

[outlier]

So is this thread against abortion? Against unborn babies going to heaven? For abortion?

Not sure what you are getting at, or why.

I lost one twin, through no fault of mine, in my last pregnancy. I have always hoped I will meet her in heaven one day. Or him! (Of course, I have no idea if that is theologically correct! This was a long time ago, I didn’t know the Bible as well as I do now!)

To answer such a question would send the thread into places I don't want it to go. Sorry.

 

[MessageOfTheCross]

And aborted fetuses' souls go straight to heaven. And 50 years later your mother went to heaven, what would you say to her?

The scripture says, "The former things will not be remembered, nor will they come to mine (Isa. 65:17)". The scripture further says it will only be rejoicing and gladness. This includes every family member who was sent to hell.

 

[Katy-follower]

No murderer hath eternal life dwelling in them.....

Some of you misunderstood Dcon's post. I believe he was saying "no believer with the HS would commit a murder, inc abortion"

The OP did not mention the woman's spiritual condition upon death, just that she committed murder and enters Heaven. Dcon ran with this. He was saying that the unrighteous (unsaved) shall not enter the Kingdom (1 Cor 6:9-11).

No true believer with the HS dwelling in them would commit murder. "Such were some of you" (used to be murderers, thieves, etc) before you were saved.

I don't believe Dcon is saying that the sin of murder cannot be forgiven. In other threads he agrees that the only unforgivable sin is dying without Jesus.

 

[Deade]

If I ask it, it's not a waste of time.

No outlier, it is not a waste of time. People want to know. Hang on, I am going to take you on a little ride. The first thing: Nobody is in heaven yet: John 3:13: "And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven." They are asleep, folks.

Acts 2:29: "Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day."
Heb. 11:40: "God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect."

The second thing: Nobody is going to heaven: Heaven (the Kingdom of) is coming to earth. Rev. 5:10: "And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth." Rev. 20:6: "Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years."

After the 1000 years: Rev 20:5,7,8: "But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea." Then comes the Great White Throne Judgement: in which those aborted babies will be dealt with.

 

[dcontroversal]

I thought murderers can be forgiven if they repent no? Or is abortion a special sin which cannot be forgiven?

Not my point.....obviously murderers can be forgiven....Saul "Paul", David etc......Point being...the law had punishments afforded to those whose actions resulted in the loss of a baby in the womb....both accidental, purposful and it covered even animals.......regardless of saved or lost we will all.answer for every thing done both good and bad...the difference being the saved are not condemned!

 

[dcontroversal]

Some of you misunderstood Dcon's post. I believe he was saying "no believer with the HS would commit a murder, inc abortion"

The OP did not mention the woman's spiritual condition upon death, just that she committed murder and enters Heaven. Dcon ran with this. He was saying that the unrighteous (unsaved) shall not enter the Kingdom (1 Cor 6:9-11).

No true believer with the HS dwelling in them would commit murder. "Such were some of you" (used to be murderers, thieves, etc) before you were saved.

I don't believe Dcon is saying that the sin of murder cannot be forgiven. In other threads he agrees that the only unforgivable sin is dying without Jesus.

Amen.........one thing that happens quite a bit....assuming one is saying something they are not saying...

 

[dcontroversal]

When I attended a church about 10 years after I was saved, a man started a prison ministry and I decided to try it out. I found out that man had been a murderer, served his time, and got saved, not necessarily in that order.

He believed God has totally forgiven him, although he said forgiving himself was the hardest thing to do. He also knew God could save those people he had left behind in prison, and was very dedicated in going into prisons with people like me, to witness about Jesus.

Prison ministry didn't work out for me, because I was allergic to cigarette smoking, but I know a lot of people got saved through his ministry. How ridiculous to think that a murderer is beyond the reach of God.

A good friend of mine didn't know she was pregnant, and then got a bunch of toxic vaccines to go overseas. She was not a Christian at the time, listened to her doctors, and aborted the unborn baby. We will never know if it was damaged or not, till we get to heaven.

My friend actually had a breakdown over it, and then another mutual friend led her to the Lord. The woman who had the abortion got into counselling with pro-life agencies, both with pregnant women, and those who were having break downs, because they realized what they had done.

Abortion is evil, I have no argument with you there. But, God can forgive a woman who has had an abortion, no matter what the reason. So, perhaps stop being so judgmental about something, when you know nothing about what those women are going through, or why. And the ridiculous ideas that God can't and won't save those women, and that they won't be reunited with those babies, one day, if they are saved.

Go read post 38 then apologize for assuming, judging, and mouthing me over something I neither said nor implied.....serious........! I am sick to death of people reading in crap I have not said nor implied!