What is a "worship service?"
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Yes, but when I realize I am wrong I amend my view so I am right again.
I learned the main thing to get right by the time I was ten,
and I have been adjusting my fire ever since reading GW for myself when I entered college.
There are several adjustments I have made since joining CC in October.
I had always realized that Rom. 12:1-2 taught that right living is true worship,
but I never considered whether it was addressed to individuals or to a group
until you brought it up, but it seems obvious that both-and logic is right reasoning.
However, I might be wrong again.
I learned the main thing to get right by the time I was ten,
and I have been adjusting my fire ever since reading GW for myself when I entered college.
There are several adjustments I have made since joining CC in October.
I had always realized that Rom. 12:1-2 taught that right living is true worship,
but I never considered whether it was addressed to individuals or to a group
until you brought it up, but it seems obvious that both-and logic is right reasoning.
However, I might be wrong again.
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I agree with the Dr Wadsworth. I would not have drawn from the doctor the idea that "teaching from mature believers collectively teaching the new babes in the faith" was the methodology of the early church gatherings. I had the impression there was a lot of dialogue among Christians through which everyone learned from listening to one another, sharing testimonies, insights and asking questions.
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Worship is not at all something that can be given as a "service" to anyone. All who do not LIVE worship throughout each day of the week, and when then gather with others, don't have much of anything of value to share with others, therefore the "church service" of the institutional model that provides warm fuzzies in the place of actually living a life of worship, which is actually to what "spirit and truth" point. It's actually a benefit to sit in rows seeing only the backs of the heads of others since face to face meeting would betray the lack of substance in the lives of the masses who do not live worship each day, which is by the Spirit and in the Spirit.
The institutional model helps the masses feel good about not living lives of worship. They enable a horrid existence at the lowest levels of faith in Christ.
MM
The institutional model helps the masses feel good about not living lives of worship. They enable a horrid existence at the lowest levels of faith in Christ.
MM
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good point about letting emotions get in the way. however please remember that when the Holy Spirit flows through an individual He comes through their spirit then through the soul where emotions exist. it's difficult, especially for sort of immature Christians to control emotions - that is a learned behaviour. The mature leaser should recognize the emotion and maybe have a word with the individual - but only maybe.
We are very close to being on the same page here Music.
Even though there are no bible based words for 'worship service' we do need a way to describe what is going on.
The words 'worship service' are just that, words to convey the understanding of what is happeing. Actually they are of little value.
I agree 100% that praise and worship are not the same. It's a subject well worth intense study.
Even though there are no bible based words for 'worship service' we do need a way to describe what is going on.
The words 'worship service' are just that, words to convey the understanding of what is happeing. Actually they are of little value.
I agree 100% that praise and worship are not the same. It's a subject well worth intense study.
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I remember when sometimes we never made it to the preaching because the worship service was so powerful and God moved so we remained patient allowing God to work.
I remember when we preached and taught about spiritual warfare and how the enemy works and everyone felt confident about those things.
We preached about demon possession and attack and now today we classify it as mental health and illness.
Today, you go more than 3 songs, preach about anything different than something uplifting people will quit the Church and Preachers are more about numbers and contributions to care if their flock is spiritually prepared.
I am more concerned about the Preachers on Judgement Day than the drunk that rides the altar week after week seeking God for help and Salvation.
Just a sad and miserable excuse of an experience anymore...
I remember when we preached and taught about spiritual warfare and how the enemy works and everyone felt confident about those things.
We preached about demon possession and attack and now today we classify it as mental health and illness.
Today, you go more than 3 songs, preach about anything different than something uplifting people will quit the Church and Preachers are more about numbers and contributions to care if their flock is spiritually prepared.
I am more concerned about the Preachers on Judgement Day than the drunk that rides the altar week after week seeking God for help and Salvation.
Just a sad and miserable excuse of an experience anymore...
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I took BTCP classes in the Rocky mountain Bible mission for a few years. This was the best "praise and worship" service I have ever been to.
No nonsense. Sit at a desk, DO NOT DISTURB, and learn doctrine line upon line and precept upon precept. No frills, no music just a gifted teacher teaching doctrine.
We have found a "church" close to that standard. But we do it over the internet. Nothing like that can be found locally around us.
No nonsense. Sit at a desk, DO NOT DISTURB, and learn doctrine line upon line and precept upon precept. No frills, no music just a gifted teacher teaching doctrine.
We have found a "church" close to that standard. But we do it over the internet. Nothing like that can be found locally around us.