What is considered false doctrine?

[biblestudent78]

2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

This is speaking of the antichrist which is in the future.

2Th 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

2Th 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

2Th 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders.

Which the antichrist will be revealed to the world and Satan will deceive the world who does not love the truth which is in the future.

2Th 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

2Th 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

This happens after the antichrist is revealed which Satan deceives the world which happens in the future.

The man of sin is revealed and then they are given strong delusion.

The antichrist spirit is working in the world but this is talking about the antichrist/man of sin being revealed which Satan deceives the world and then the strong delusion is given which happens in the future.

Before this time there is no mention of strong delusion.

Or even plain ole' run of the mill delusion.

So, what "man of sin" was revealed?

 

[biblestudent78]

It has been my experience that "salvation" is a intimately personal experience, calling and commitment. When I hear or read volumes about how "everybody else" is so wrong, evil, unsaved and dangerous to "believers," it leave me wondering why we who have come to know and accept the love of God for all people, feel so desperate to condemn, condemn, condemn evil doers exactly like we once were. Are those who we claim are wrong thinking and wrong believing bigger sinners than we ourselves? Are they more error prone than us? Net, Net. The difference between those "saved" and those "unsaved" is that the former has come to understand the love of God also demands that we love our fellow mankind. Perhaps the most common failure of those claiming to love God is our intense desire to despise others who are essentially exactly like we once were.

 

[biblestudent78]

Jesus thought Spiritually not Humanly

I guess your another who doesn't believe God's word ------or your ignorant of it ---one or the other ---

We are born with a intellectual mind -----and God tells us to change it -----so a Human mind is OK for this Physical Word but not in God's Spiritual world -------

The Natural man has a human mind and does not understand spiritual scripture as he has not the Holy Spirit indwelling in him -or her

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Jesus thought "spiritually" not humanly?? In anger driving out the money changers out of the temple courtyard with a whip? Weeping at the grief surrounding the death of Lazarus? Enjoying having His feet washed and perfumed and dried by the hair of a woman? Helping his fishing friends fill their boat? Jesus was fully human and thus experienced all the normal human emotions and physical limitations.

We are not born with an "intellectual mind." We are born exactly like every other mammal with inherited traits and capabilities, but without a "mind" intellectual or otherwise. The measure of our intellect is determined by our culture.

I reject that the objective of Christianity is the exchange of our human mind for a spiritual mind. The objective of Christianity is the conversion of a self-serving, corrupt and predatory human into a visible version of Jesus the Christ. To feel the love of God in concert with our love of our neighbor. To be lovers, shining lights, healers, reconcilers, self-sacrificial servants and living examples of the new life available only from God via Christ. Our most important "spiritual" experiences come from what we do, who we serve and who we are becoming. If Christianity does not dwell below our chins, then it is not Christianity. It just theology.

 

[BBerean]

Which bible? What version?

Obviously Jesus used the Hebrew , you can do a bit of homework, learn the Hebrew or Greek , determine which translation in your language is close to the Hebrew or Greek . Remember the Holy Spirit is the teacher and he came reveal errors in Translations and they all have some . Some thing you can Ask God , which version of Bible should I be using . I personally use KJV as I already mentioned. Very Usable for the Holy Spirit . It does have errors but not many . Always use the body of scripture, not single vague verses. That seem to contradict the body of scripture’s. There are no contradictions. It may take time to understand, but be patient the Lord teaches as we are able to receive. Like a child we learn the alphabet, then words , sentences, paragraphs, books ,etc … I’m finished here . I hope this helps someone.

 

[BBerean]

Perhaps a look at the big picture might help

If you want the big picture, read from Genesis 1.1 to Revelation. It’s the best way to learn . I have watched some YouTube things they are inferior to reading cover to cover. It takes time and effort but well worth it. Do keep reading from cover to cover , not just once you will discover things you missed the first time , that you will probably not learn anywhere else . George Muller a man of the book read the Bible 200 times in his life time cover to cover . He greatly endorsed that . So do I . YouTube ? It fits the modern world of instant gratification mode . Without really doing the work . I’m not totally against YouTube , but more bad than good and not a healthy way in my opinion from experience. I have heard 1000s of sermons and I don’t remember much from them . But the Bible and reading it is very transforming . Faith cometh by hearing and hearing from the word of God .

 

[BBerean]

Jesus thought "spiritually" not humanly?? In anger driving out the money changers out of the temple courtyard with a whip? Weeping at the grief surrounding the death of Lazarus? Enjoying having His feet washed and perfumed and dried by the hair of a woman? Helping his fishing friends fill their boat? Jesus was fully human and thus experienced all the normal human emotions and physical limitations.

We are not born with an "intellectual mind." We are born exactly like every other mammal with inherited traits and capabilities, but without a "mind" intellectual or otherwise. The measure of our intellect is determined by our culture.

I reject that the objective of Christianity is the exchange of our human mind for a spiritual mind. The objective of Christianity is the conversion of a self-serving, corrupt and predatory human into a visible version of Jesus the Christ. To feel the love of God in concert with our love of our neighbor. To be lovers, shining lights, healers, reconcilers, self-sacrificial servants and living examples of the new life available only from God via Christ. Our most important "spiritual" experiences come from what we do, who we serve and who we are becoming. If Christianity does not dwell below our chins, then it is not Christianity. It just theology.

Yes Jesus was a real man and knew what it is to be a man in every way , and he also had that Spiritual relationship with his Father . So he had both . Thank God for that because he can relate to us being a man . And understanding spiritual things .

 

[BBerean]

It has been my experience that "salvation" is an intimately personal experience, calling and commitment. When I hear or read volumes about how "everybody else" is so wrong, evil, unsaved and dangerous to "believers," it leave me wondering why we who have come to know and accept the love of God for all people, feel so desperate to condemn, condemn, condemn evil doers exactly like we once were. Are those who we claim are wrong thinking and wrong believing bigger sinners than we ourselves? Are they more error prone than us? Net, Net. The difference between those "saved" and those "unsaved" is that the former has come to understand the love of God also demands that we love our fellow mankind. Perhaps the most common failure of those claiming to love God is our intense desire to despise others who are essentially exactly like we once were.

Yes we must be careful not to become proud .

 

[biblestudent78]

Obviously Jesus used the Hebrew , you can do a bit of homework, learn the Hebrew or Greek , determine which translation in your language is close to the Hebrew or Greek . Remember the Holy Spirit is the teacher and he came reveal errors in Translations and they all have some . Some thing you can Ask God , which version of Bible should I be using . I personally use KJV as I already mentioned. Very Usable for the Holy Spirit . It does have errors but not many . Always use the body of scripture, not single vague verses. That seem to contradict the body of scripture’s. There are no contradictions. It may take time to understand, but be patient the Lord teaches as we are able to receive. Like a child we learn the alphabet, then words , sentences, paragraphs, books ,etc … I’m finished here . I hope this helps someone.

Well, Jesus was from Galilee and thus spoke Aramean as His native language as did most of this Apostles. The King James bible is not a "version." Is an edition of the Bishop’s Bible (1568) for its structure, heavily informed by William Tyndale’s New Testament. For original languages, it utilized the Hebrew Masoretic Text for the Old Testament and the Greek Textus Receptus (Received Text) for the New Testament. Which was written by Desiderius Erasmus, a Dutch scholar, produced the first published edition of the Greek New Testament in 1516, which formed the basis of the Textus Receptus. King James demanded that all references in "his version" support the Episcopal church, eliminate any words that demeaned his Kingship - such as eliminating the word "tyrant." The entire translation systems used in the KJV were based on texts from the 11th century. Fortunately, today we have texts dating to the 2nd century. If you prefer Shakespeare, Dante and Milton in their original native english language, then it is easy to see why you would prefer a bible in their language.

While the King James translators in 1611 used only a handful of late-medieval Greek manuscripts, over 5,800 Greek New Testament manuscripts have been discovered or cataloged since then, with many dating back to the 2nd century. Furthermore, over 10,000 Latin and 9,300 additional manuscripts in other ancient languages (Syriac, Coptic, etc.) have been identified. Thus, if you are interested in what the biblical authors said, perhaps some reading in a modern version of would be informative. I happen to like the NET.

 

[BBerean]

Well, Jesus was from Galilee and thus spoke Aramean as His native language as did most of this Apostles. The King James bible is not a "version." Is an edition of the Bishop’s Bible (1568) for its structure, heavily informed by William Tyndale’s New Testament. For original languages, it utilized the Hebrew Masoretic Text for the Old Testament and the Greek Textus Receptus (Received Text) for the New Testament. Which was written by Desiderius Erasmus, a Dutch scholar, produced the first published edition of the Greek New Testament in 1516, which formed the basis of the Textus Receptus. King James demanded that all references in "his version" support the Episcopal church, eliminate any words that demeaned his Kingship - such as eliminating the word "tyrant." The entire translation systems used in the KJV were based on texts from the 11th century. Fortunately, today we have texts dating to the 2nd century. If you prefer Shakespeare, Dante and Milton in their original native english language, then it is easy to see why you would prefer a bible in their language.

While the King James translators in 1611 used only a handful of late-medieval Greek manuscripts, over 5,800 Greek New Testament manuscripts have been discovered or cataloged since then, with many dating back to the 2nd century. Furthermore, over 10,000 Latin and 9,300 additional manuscripts in other ancient languages (Syriac, Coptic, etc.) have been identified. Thus, if you are interested in what the biblical authors said, perhaps some reading in a modern version of would be informative. I happen to like the NET.

So you have done some research, that’s good but obviously 1000s of anything is extremely confusing. The KJV was translated from many previous versions as well . And has a historical proof as being reliable . Works excellent for me as an English translation, and being the most published book ever is a fact that Speaks for its self . Don’t get lost in too many details . I prefer freedom over being in a net . God bless !

 

[BBerean]

So you have done some research, that’s good but obviously 1000s of anything is extremely confusing. The KJV was translated from many previous versions as well . And has a historical proof as being reliable . Works excellent for me as an English translation, and being the most published book ever is a fact that Speaks for its self . Don’t get lost in too many details . I prefer freedom over being in a net . God bless !

Another thing Jesus preached and taught in the temple Hebrew no doubt! The text written and read in the temple was Hebrew . Glad to inform you Jesus was proficient in Hebrew .

 

[indenturedservant]

How do we know when to label someone a false teacher or a belief as false?

Most people use this rule of thumb: "If somebody doesn't believe what I do."

It's just as easy to be labeled a false teacher as it is to label someone else.

Just read through the comments following some of the Bible discussion topics, and you'll find many people labeling each other's beliefs as "false."

Evidently, there are no rules to labelling people if believers thrive on so freely passing out that label to others.

That's just an observation, not an indictment.

My advice is to not "heap up a multitude of teachers," which inherently exposes you to false teachings and weakens your ability to distinguish between true and false.

 

[Soyeong]

How do we know when to label someone a false teacher or a belief as false?

In Deuteronomy 13, the way that God instructed to determine that someone is a false prophet is if they speak against obeying the Torah. In Proverbs 4:2, it says that sound doctrine is to not forsake the Torah, which means that false doctrine is to forsake it. In Psalm 119:142, the Torah is truth.

 

[Dino246]

In Deuteronomy 13, the way that God instructed to determine that someone is a false prophet is if they speak against obeying the Torah. In Proverbs 4:2, it says that sound doctrine is to not forsake the Torah, which means that false doctrine is to forsake it. In Psalm 119:142, the Torah is truth.

A false prophet is not the same as a false teacher.

 

[biblestudent78]

So you have done some research, that’s good but obviously 1000s of anything is extremely confusing. The KJV was translated from many previous versions as well . And has a historical proof as being reliable . Works excellent for me as an English translation, and being the most published book ever is a fact that Speaks for its self . Don’t get lost in too many details . I prefer freedom over being in a net . God bless !

The english language itself has changed a lot in 400 yrs. Many KJV words no longer mean what we think they mean due to the change in our language.

• "Suffer": In the famous verse "Suffer the little children to come unto me" (Matthew 19:14), modern readers may think of physical pain. In 1611, "suffer" simply meant to permit or allow.
• "Conversation": Historically, this meant one’s entire conduct or lifestyle, but it is now misunderstood as referring only to speech.
• "Prevent": In 1 Thessalonians 4:15, "prevent" meant to precede or go before, whereas today it means to stop something from happening.
• "Quick": The phrase "the quick and the dead" (2 Timothy 4:1) refers to the living and the dead, not fast-moving people.
• "Ghost": The term "Holy Ghost" can carry spooky connotations today. At the time of translation, "ghost" was synonymous with spirit.

Some misunderstandings arise from the translators' limited knowledge or specific theological choices based on the Textus Receptus

• "Thou shalt not kill": The Hebrew word ratsach more specifically means murder (unlawful killing). Translating it as "kill" has led to debates over whether the Bible forbids all killing, including war or self-defense.
• "Easter" in Acts 12:4: The KJV uses "Easter" instead of Passover, a term that did not exist in the biblical context and can cause confusion about the timeline of Christian holidays.
• "Lucifer" in Isaiah 14:12: This is a Latin name meaning "light-bearer" used to translate a Hebrew term for the "morning star." Its inclusion led many to assume the passage refers to Satan's fall, though many scholars argue it originally addressed a King of Babylon.
• Mythical Creatures: Due to uncertainty about ancient fauna, the KJV includes names like unicorns, dragons, and satyrs, which were likely references to real animals like the wild ox or jackal.

Then there are manuscript variations in the 500 yr old Textus Receptus carried forward into the KJV. Because the KJV was based on later, less complete manuscripts than those available today, it includes verses that modern scholars consider later additions:The Johannine Comma (1 John 5:7-8): The KJV includes a explicit reference to the Trinity that is absent from the earliest Greek manuscripts, leading to theological arguments about its authenticity. Missing Words: In Matthew 24:36, the KJV omits the phrase "nor the Son" when discussing who knows the day of the end, a phrase found in many modern translations based on older manuscripts. "I am he": In John 18:5, the KJV adds "he" in italics. Removing it more clearly reflects Jesus' use of the divine name "I AM", a significant theological detail that is sometimes missed.

These are only a few of the widely known errors in the KJV. At a minimum, if one uses the bible as a foundational basis for faith and hope, one would want the most accurate version of the texts in clearly understood english, should that be your language.

 

[GWH]

A false prophet is not the same as a false teacher.

Yes, but it would be interesting to know what distinction you have in mind.

 

[biblestudent78]

So you have done some research, that’s good but obviously 1000s of anything is extremely confusing. The KJV was translated from many previous versions as well . And has a historical proof as being reliable . Works excellent for me as an English translation, and being the most published book ever is a fact that Speaks for its self . Don’t get lost in too many details . I prefer freedom over being in a net . God bless !

It is inaccurate to describe the KJV as the most published book ever as it stands today. That's because it included the Apocryphal books in the original version. It contained 14 books, including 1 & 2 Esdras, Tobit, Judith, Wisdom of Solomon, Ecclesiasticus, Baruch, and 1 & 2 Maccabees until the 1888 version which deleted them. Thus the KJV you enjoy was only in its current form for 138 yrs.

 

[BBerean]

The english language itself has changed a lot in 400 yrs. Many KJV words no longer mean what we think they mean due to the change in our language.

• "Suffer": In the famous verse "Suffer the little children to come unto me" (Matthew 19:14), modern readers may think of physical pain. In 1611, "suffer" simply meant to permit or allow.
• "Conversation": Historically, this meant one’s entire conduct or lifestyle, but it is now misunderstood as referring only to speech.
• "Prevent": In 1 Thessalonians 4:15, "prevent" meant to precede or go before, whereas today it means to stop something from happening.
• "Quick": The phrase "the quick and the dead" (2 Timothy 4:1) refers to the living and the dead, not fast-moving people.
• "Ghost": The term "Holy Ghost" can carry spooky connotations today. At the time of translation, "ghost" was synonymous with spirit.

Some misunderstandings arise from the translators' limited knowledge or specific theological choices based on the Textus Receptus

• "Thou shalt not kill": The Hebrew word ratsach more specifically means murder (unlawful killing). Translating it as "kill" has led to debates over whether the Bible forbids all killing, including war or self-defense.
• "Easter" in Acts 12:4: The KJV uses "Easter" instead of Passover, a term that did not exist in the biblical context and can cause confusion about the timeline of Christian holidays.
• "Lucifer" in Isaiah 14:12: This is a Latin name meaning "light-bearer" used to translate a Hebrew term for the "morning star." Its inclusion led many to assume the passage refers to Satan's fall, though many scholars argue it originally addressed a King of Babylon.
• Mythical Creatures: Due to uncertainty about ancient fauna, the KJV includes names like unicorns, dragons, and satyrs, which were likely references to real animals like the wild ox or jackal.

Then there are manuscript variations in the 500 yr old Textus Receptus carried forward into the KJV. Because the KJV was based on later, less complete manuscripts than those available today, it includes verses that modern scholars consider later additions:The Johannine Comma (1 John 5:7-8): The KJV includes a explicit reference to the Trinity that is absent from the earliest Greek manuscripts, leading to theological arguments about its authenticity. Missing Words: In Matthew 24:36, the KJV omits the phrase "nor the Son" when discussing who knows the day of the end, a phrase found in many modern translations based on older manuscripts. "I am he": In John 18:5, the KJV adds "he" in italics. Removing it more clearly reflects Jesus' use of the divine name "I AM", a significant theological detail that is sometimes missed.

These are only a few of the widely known errors in the KJV. At a minimum, if one uses the bible as a foundational basis for faith and hope, one would want the most accurate version of the texts in clearly understood english, should that be your language.

You can get a KJV dictionary, works great !

 

[BBerean]

It is inaccurate to describe the KJV as the most published book ever as it stands today. That's because it included the Apocryphal books in the original version. It contained 14 books, including 1 & 2 Esdras, Tobit, Judith, Wisdom of Solomon, Ecclesiasticus, Baruch, and 1 & 2 Maccabees until the 1888 version which deleted them. Thus the KJV you enjoy was only in its current form for 138 yrs.

I love the Apocrypha!

 

[Dino246]

Yes, but it would be interesting to know what distinction you have in mind.

False prophets say they things that aren’t from God while claiming or implying they are speaking for God.

False teachers teach things that are not consistent with God’s word.

 

[BBerean]

History of Israel is missing because the Apocrypha was removed a few hundred years ago by unwise people. The wisdom of Solomon is awesome ! I highly recommend it to lost souls .