What is hyper grace........

[John146]

The question is simply does the sermon on the mount apply to believers, gentile
and jew alike?

Traditional christian faith says yes, HG says no.

No for me too. The sermon on the mount is a type of constitutional living when Christ is King of the earth ruling over the nations. He taught the Jews to pray that this kingdom would come to earth.

When Christians today try and apply the sermon on the mount to their own lives, they usually end up explaining the Scriptures instead of taking the literal interpretation.

 

[PeterJens]

I don't mock them for trying to follow rules. We all try to do that.
And we all fail.

I DO mock them for saying that perfectly following rules is a requirement for Salvation.

It is a very close position between saying our hearts desire to walk
as Christ walked and saying this is impossible so do not bother trying.

It is like saying cycling is important to getting out of a situation and
reaching your destination and saying you will fall off so do not bother
trying.

What believers are saying is walking in righteousness is life, and how well
you progress is our walk to which we are 100% commited.

Because we are saved we are commited, not our commitment effects our salvation.

As the same people are continually contributing we all know each others positions, so
I wonder about these statements.

 

[PeterJens]

When Christ appears, I will be like him, when I see him face to face.
Until then, I will keep marching toward the mark. But never be to proud to think I have made it. I will live under Gods grace until then.
You have not seen Christ yet, If you think you are just like him, You are in serious trouble

So EG, we agree. It is always interesting having exchanges with you, because you want
to disagree with me, but actually stand for most of the same things, but appear to be unaware
of it.

You remind me of meeting a believer who was so keen to convert people, even if you told them
you were a believer they would just carry on.

But to admit this would be so difficult!!! lol

 

[Stephen63]

I don't mock them for trying to follow rules. We all try to do that.
And we all fail.

I DO mock them for saying that perfectly following rules is a requirement for Salvation.

I haven't nor ever will say that. But, like others, I'm constantly accused of it.

 

[Willie-T]

I haven't nor ever will say that. But, like others, I'm constantly accused of it.

Didn't you just say this a couple of minutes ago regarding your feelings about Matthew 23? That you believe in loading believers down with a lot of rules that you don't keep yourself?

http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...-spreading-tougher-message-3.html#post2918193

 

[Stephen63]

1. Jesus lived from birth till death and did not go against God 1 time, he always put others above himself. and he never made 1 mistake.

2. No man can make this claim.

3. Yet here we have people saying they can be just like him.see my problem. How can you claimm YOU KNOW JESUS, then say you ARE JUST LIKE HIM?

Here we see the lie..... Nobody ever said that. BUT HE SAYS THEY DO.

How do such outright liars get by with it?

*They don't name names.*

As soon as they name names, that person named can report them.

What happens when they don't names? N O T H I N G. They're not warned, they're not scolded, & they're not banned.

It's one of the oldest, deceitful tricks in the book.

Why do they do it? 2 reasons:

1. To start fights to get other people banned. EG has tried F O R E V E R to get PeterJens to say something bad just so he can report him.
2. So they can deny & lie they ever said anything about "Stephen63". It happened to me just yesterday by G777. I was the only "such person" posting in a thread, & he came outta nowhere slamming them "legalists & "heretic hunters", talking about how evil they are. In less than 10 minutes he said he didn't say anything about me.

Deceit. Lies. Bearing false witness. These sins & more are done EVERY DAY to innocent people & nothing is done about it.

Then they have the brass to say they're forever saved & their sins aren't held against them.

To "those people": your sins are filling up a very huge book, and you WILL answer to God.

 

[Stephen63]

Didn't you just say this a couple of minutes ago regarding your feelings about Matthew 23? That you believe in loading believers down with a lot of rules that you don't keep yourself?

http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...-spreading-tougher-message-3.html#post2918193

NOPE. A "tougher message" doesn't mean you have to set rules. It means you quit preaching sugar messages to the itching ears & speak the truth, Like John & James did. Quit pleasing people with sermonettes that don't talk about sin, Hell, & salvation.

Now, spin that.
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[Stephen63]

Good grief. Now he is saying he is going to earn his Salvation by matching the life of Jesus.

The best I can do is be grateful that Christ accepts me even though I fall WAY short of being like Him.

Here in red is another accusation against a member. What will be his next statement if someone in authority questions him about it?
Probably "I misunderstood what he said".

What's the word I'm looking for again? Oh yes.....deceitful.

 

[Willie-T]

NOPE. A "tougher message" doesn't mean you have to set rules. It means you quit preaching sugar messages to the itching ears & speak the truth, Like John & James did. Quit pleasing people with sermonettes that don't talk about sin, Hell, & salvation.

Now, spin that.
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Sorry.... When I saw that post came from your account, I assumed you had written it. I guess we can never be sure who writes what.

 

[Willie-T]

Here in red is another accusation against a member. What will be his next statement if someone in authority questions him about it?
Probably "I misunderstood what he said".

What's the word I'm looking for again? Oh yes.....deceitful.

I noticed that you refrained from quoting what he actually did say (It was only just above where you went to get my post.)

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/145946-what-hyper-grace-7.html#post2918066

 

[Stephen63]

Originally Posted by Willie-T
Good grief. Now he is saying he is going to earn his Salvation by matching the life of Jesus.

The best I can do is be grateful that Christ accepts me even though I fall WAY short of being like Him.

Here in red is another accusation against a member. What will be his next statement if someone in authority questions him about it?
Probably "I misunderstood what he said".

What's the word I'm looking for again? Oh yes.....deceitful.

How's that?

 

[Depleted]

Again Lynn - you are free to have your own opinion. Bless you!

My hope is built on nothing less than Jesus blood and righteousness.

My hope is built on nothing less
than Jesus' blood and righteousness
I dare not trust the sweetest frame
but wholly trust in Jesus' name


Christ alone, Cornerstone
Weak made strong, in the Savior's love
Through the storm
He is Lord, Lord of All

When darkness seems to hide His face
I rest on His unchanging grace
In every high and stormy gale
My anchor holds within the veil

My anchor holds within the veil .

Do you go with Matt. 18:15-20?

If you do, how's this one? Two brothers, (for I'm not PC at all, so I'm a bro), have come to you to tell you to stop preaching because what you preach is sin. Now what?

Matt. 18:15 “If your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault, between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have gained your brother.16 But if he does not listen, take one or two others along with you, that every charge may be established by the evidence of two or three witnesses.17 If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church. And if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector.18 Truly, I say to you, whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.19 Again I say to you, if two of you agree on earth about anything they ask, it will be done for them by my Father in heaven.20 For where two or three are gathered in my name, there am I among them.”

 

[Depleted]

I don't mock them for trying to follow rules. We all try to do that.
And we all fail.

I DO mock them for saying that perfectly following rules is a requirement for Salvation.

So you mock on false charges. Peachy keen! So did the Sanhedrin and Roman guards.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Here we see the lie..... Nobody ever said that. BUT HE SAYS THEY DO.

Originally Posted by PeterJens
If I will never be like Christ, then I will never have salvation.

How do such outright liars get by with it?

Well you just lied about me, and claimed no one ever said it, Yet unlike others, I can back my claims, and I will nt only tell you WHO said it, but show the post.


so tell me. How do liars and slanderers get away with it. I would not know..

*They don't name names.*

I just did,, And again, Unlike you, I ALWAYS DO.

Again you are shown to be a LIAR

As soon as they name names, that person named can report them.

are you going to report yourself now as the liar you are? Or apologize for slandering me when you were obviously wrong.

What happens when they don't names? N O T H I N G. They're not warned, they're not scolded, & they're not banned.

Is this your excuse? You have been asked numerous times to name names of people who teach it is OK to be a christian and NOT need to repent.. who are they?

It's one of the oldest, deceitful tricks in the book.

Why do they do it? 2 reasons:

1. To start fights to get other people banned. EG has tried F O R E V E R to get PeterJens to say something bad just so he can report him.
2. So they can deny & lie they ever said anything about "Stephen63". It happened to me just yesterday by G777. I was the only "such person" posting in a thread, & he came outta nowhere slamming them "legalists & "heretic hunters", talking about how evil they are. In less than 10 minutes he said he didn't say anything about me.

Deceit. Lies. Bearing false witness. These sins & more are done EVERY DAY to innocent people & nothing is done about it.

Then they have the brass to say they're forever saved & their sins aren't held against them.

To "those people": your sins are filling up a very huge book, and you WILL answer to God.

Now take these works and read them to yourself.

YOU HAVE JUST BEEN PROVEN A LIAR..

and what is sad, Is that UNLIKE some of the questions people ask you, Which can not be readily answered. Peter actually made the statement today just a few posts back.

So you proved another trick you always use, You are so ready to try to trip people up. You miss on what is really said.

now are you going ro repent and admit you made a mistake, Or continue wiht the nonsense?


PS for the rest of the room. ALL EG wants Peter to do is ADMIT when he is wrong, and stop slandering other people..

if this is wrong, then I am EVIL..

if not. Then Stephen is proven a liar again.

 

[jaybird88]

Under law,they had to keep the law without any help,JESUS had not yet come to earth,so then they would be brought into captivity to the law of sin because of the weakness of the flesh

not sure i agree but to much to explain

Under law,Its all on the Individual but under Grace,give GOD ALL the credit but Its either law or Grace and not both.

so whats with all those prayers in the Hebrew bible when its all on them and no help from the Most High? so under grace when you sin or make a mistake do you put all the blame on the Most High?

what do you do with the passages where Jesus teaches keep His commands?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Here in red is another accusation against a member. What will be his next statement if someone in authority questions him about it?
Probably "I misunderstood what he said".

What's the word I'm looking for again? Oh yes.....deceitful.

here is another decietful remark said to someone else.

Do I need to repost Peters statement about how if he is NOT LIKE CHRIST he will not be saved?

it is not us who need to repent.

 

[Willie-T]

I don't mock them for trying to follow rules. We all try to do that.
And we all fail.

I DO mock them for saying that perfectly following rules is a requirement for Salvation.

So you mock on false charges. Peachy keen! So did the Sanhedrin and Roman guards.

Then, you DO believe perfectly following rules is a requirement for Salvation? That explains a lot.

 

[Depleted]

Didn't you just say this a couple of minutes ago regarding your feelings about Matthew 23? That you believe in loading believers down with a lot of rules that you don't keep yourself?

http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...-spreading-tougher-message-3.html#post2918193

I just looked. Once again you see something that isn't there to prove who you are and how magnificent you are in all of it. No, he didn't. He merely had the audacity to disagree with you. And so, once again mocking with false charges.

 

[Cee]

It's a thin line walking between honoring one another and still honoring the truth. One I'm still learning how to walk. I will always support my positions with Scripture because that's why I believe them, but that doesn't mean everyone has to agree with me. I can still love you all even if you don't agree with me. I do get a little frustrated when people accuse me, but it's not like Jesus wasn't accused. And I'm sure I've done my own share as well. I'm bowing out of this thread. Sorry for any conduct that wasn't Christlike. I'm still growing and learning myself. Bless you all.

C.

 

[Willie-T]

I just looked. Once again you see something that isn't there to prove who you are and how magnificent you are in all of it. No, he didn't. He merely had the audacity to disagree with you. And so, once again mocking with false charges.

You must have only looked at that one post....... Go back and see what led up to it.