What is hyper grace........

[jaybird88]

Since the same GOD that spoke In the old covenant Is the same GOD that spoke In the new covanant and since GOD does not change, do you believe we should keep the law and be under grace at the same time?

i think its a balance between the 2, if your faith is right you will have no problem with obeying the law.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

hyper grace is like when someone finally gets what God's grace is all about

ok? yeah and then they go all happy and stuff, like, you know?

like yay! kind of thing

yeah

that's hyper grace

I get hyper when I drink Java which is why I stick to Columbiain

no drugs though...although I think I need something for this head thingy stuffy thing I seem to have caught the other day

meh

If a person were to say 1st John 1:9 is not talking about confessing your sins more than the one time when you received salvation,would you consider that,Hyper Grace?

1st John 1:9
King James version(KJV)

9.)If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

 

[Cee]

I have indeed looked at it extensively. I've also written lengthy posts about this topic. What specifically would you like me to comment about?

I'll tell you this, when I look up the word confess I find some interesting parallels.

See what you discover: Strong's Greek: 3670. ὁμολογέω (homologeó) -- to speak the same, to agree

Especially look at how John uses the word "confess" in all instances of 1 John. Ask Holy Spirit to show you how He meant it.

And if you still want my opinion afterwards let me know my friend.

C.

Cee,have you looked at
1st John 1:9
King James Version(KJV)

9.)If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
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I think many people have differing Interpretations of that scripture.

 

[Depleted]

Hmmm.....well if we never changed our way of thinking to believe in Christ's salvation on the cross and resurrection - we wouldn't have anything but a religion left.

Repentance to believe in the gospel of the grace of God is from God Himself. Repentance is trusting in what God has done in Christ. It's a whole new way of thinking. Paul calls it the renewing of the mind in Rom. 12:2


Acts 11:18 (NASB)
[SUP]18 [/SUP] When they heard this, they quieted down and glorified God, saying, "Well then, God has granted to the Gentiles also the repentance that leads to life."

Acts 20:21 (NASB)
[SUP]21 [/SUP] solemnly testifying to both Jews and Greeks of repentance toward God and faith in our Lord Jesus Christ.

I'm not really into Dolly Parton at all but I hear she is a good singer. But I believe I will stick with Jesus.



Mark 1:14-15 (NASB)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] Now after John had been taken into custody, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of God,

[SUP]15 [/SUP] and saying, "The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand; repent and believe in the gospel."


It is the kindness of God in Christ that leads us to repentance - which is to rely on Christ for all things instead of ourselves. Change the way we think concerning Christ and YES - that means towards sinning too.

Romans 2:4 (NASB)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] Or do you think lightly of the riches of His kindness and tolerance and patience, not knowing that the kindness of God leads you to repentance?

We do NOT change. God changes us.

Stephen and I disagree on so much, but we agree one thing. You do turn the gospel into hyper grace. You take the gospel off by one degree and then miss the moon. You make it WE save ourselves, WE repent, WE change, WE do and do and do and do, and then God owes us.

I trust God to do his will with you. I pray it is to release you from this delusion of the gospel. But it really is bad when you are left free to teach young-in-Christ/babes/and people who don't know the real gospel on here while the rest of us are stuck watching this continual misteaching because TPTB thinks hyper grace is Calvinism.

 

[Depleted]

Can you please explain this statement with Scripture: Salvation is the cause, repentance is the effect?

Because I read Jesus' saying repent for the Kingdom of Heaven is at hand. And people turned and believed before they knew He would die. Unless the idea you're presenting is grace is irresistible? If that's the case, I don't know very many songs you'd completely agree with, Hillsong or not.

I'm sorry. I see no purpose in even reading what you say or responding. You are so busy patch-quilting scripture to fit your personal desires, it is a hopeless thing to even try. I believe in all of the Bible (except for the counsel of Job's friends.) You take a bit here and a bit there and go on and on saying nothing much in the end. And you argue and argue and argue over that nothing.

 

[Depleted]

Even some preachers have been indoctrinated to believe 'repentance' is feeling sorry, beating your breast, and groveling in sackcloth.... rather than deciding on trusting Jesus' promise to save us, instead of hoping excellence and proficiency in rule-keeping will do it.

Yeah, well, that keeps happening when you keep insisting Man decides to trust Jesus. You don't get much meaning at all from scripture, and don't pay attention to what preachers are teaching.

 

[Cee]

That is QUITE an accusation. Please tell me what my personal desires are that I am "patch-quilting Scripture to fit" since you know me so well.

I'm sorry. I see no purpose in even reading what you say or responding. You are so busy patch-quilting scripture to fit your personal desires, it is a hopeless thing to even try. I believe in all of the Bible (except for the counsel of Job's friends.) You take a bit here and a bit there and go on and on saying nothing much in the end. And you argue and argue and argue over that nothing.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

I have indeed looked at it extensively. I've also written lengthy posts about this topic. What specifically would you like me to comment about?

I'll tell you this, when I look up the word confess I find some interesting parallels.

See what you discover: Strong's Greek: 3670. ὁμολογέω (homologeó) -- to speak the same, to agree

Especially look at how John uses the word "confess" in all instances of 1 John. Ask Holy Spirit to show you how He meant it.

And if you still want my opinion afterwards let me know my friend.

C.

The reason I asked about that scripture Is that some that believe that If a person gets saved,that their first confession was good enough and they do not have to continue confessing their sins after that,but be conscience of their right standing before GOD because they are now a member In the body of CHRIST and In HIM there Is no darkness.

Some believe that we should confess our sins as soon as we are aware of a sin we have committed after salvation and then GOD will forgive our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

IMO,this Is why some are calling Grace,Hyper-Grace.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

i think its a balance between the 2, if your faith is right you will have no problem with obeying the law.

So,I think you are saying yes.

Some would say,thats like saying,GOD did It all and I helped.

 

[Grace777x70]

We do NOT change. God changes us.

Stephen and I disagree on so much, but we agree one thing. You do turn the gospel into hyper grace. You take the gospel off by one degree and then miss the moon. You make it WE save ourselves, WE repent, WE change, WE do and do and do and do, and then God owes us.

I trust God to do his will with you. I pray it is to release you from this delusion of the gospel. But it really is bad when you are left free to teach young-in-Christ/babes/and people who don't know the real gospel on here while the rest of us are stuck watching this continual misteaching because TPTB thinks hyper grace is Calvinism.

I agree that it is God who changes us from the very start to the finish - which I have posted dozens of times. As we have received Christ our Lord - we are to walk in Him. Col. 2:6

You obviously have very little understanding of what I in fact do say because I am the one that is always saying we live by the life of Christ in us and as we behold the glory ( goodness) of the Lord as in a mirror - the Holy Spirit transforms us from glory to glory. I have said this about 100x times in threads. I have posted 2 Cor. 3:17-18 over 100x times.

I'm sure the babes in Christ are growing from listening to the Spirit of God within them witnessing to the beauty and the simplicity that is in the Lord. They are learning of the grace and love of their Father towards them. They are learning of the faithfulness of the Lord Jesus Christ towards them.

You are entitled to your opinion but I will never leave the Lord Jesus Christ for religion. It is such a poor substitute for knowing Him.

Thank you for praying for me. I too pray for you as well.

Ephesians 1:17-18 (NASB)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give to you a spirit of wisdom and of revelation in the knowledge of Him.

[SUP]18 [/SUP] I pray that the eyes of your heart may be enlightened, so that you will know what is the hope of His calling, what are the riches of the glory of His inheritance in the saints,

 

[fredoheaven]

Hi All,

I believe in the grace of God that brings salvation. That's it! NO hype!

God bless all,

 

[jaybird88]

So,I think you are saying yes.

Some would say,thats like saying,GOD did It all and I helped.

i dont know what that means.

i know what the John passage means when it says keep His commandments

 

[seed_time_harvest]

i dont know what that means.

i know what the John passage means when it says keep His commandments

Under law,they had to keep the law without any help,JESUS had not yet come to earth,so then they would be brought into captivity to the law of sin because of the weakness of the flesh.

Under law,Its all on the Individual but under Grace,give GOD ALL the credit but Its either law or Grace and not both.

Nevertheless,even under law,Grace was available through faith.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

You insinuate I haven't "really" studied with your comment. I'm not interested in your debate tactics. I've written what hyper-grace means to me as one who agrees with it. Instead of commenting about the ideas I've presented, why do you instead seek to belittle me?

It is their game.

They get an idea in their head. and they think they are right at all costs they will defend that thought. It does not matter if you come and say you disagree, and tell them what you REALLY believe (as apposed to their false idea or implanted seed from a leader of theirs about what you believe) they will continue to attack you. and tell you you are wrong, Even thought anyone who reads what is being said with a open mind, would see that you do not believe what they accuse you of believing.

Maybe some people do believe what they are saying (most of the time, this is rare, and few if any actually really do) but they are not worried about that, they are right, and how dare anyone tell them otherwise.

Sadly I have seen this attitude in so many churches, and out of so many Christians. I sometimes wonder why anyone would want to come to God.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I don't. I just can't understand someone as smart as you still clings to this doctrine. I don't dislike you..... What bothers me is folks agree that in the last days false doctrine will run rampant & then swallow the newest, the worst false doctrine out there. It just doesn't make sense, that's all.

when are you going to realise it is not the doctrine that is false But your misrepresentation of what people believe that is false?

You attack without reason or limits, you do not even take the time to say ok, Let me understand what this person believed, I could be wrong about HIM, so instead of LABELING him, or her, I will ask.

and even when you are asked to show some of the people who believe what you say (example, Who believed we do not confess sins to god) you can;t even respond.

How do you expect peopel to take you seriously?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Maybe you OUGHT to read my posts before critiquing them, LOL.

THEEEEEN you might find out I wasn't talking about confession..... yeeaah.

But who cares? All you want is to rant & fight, you don't care about the subject.

No, your the one who does not care. You prove it by all your false accusation and slander.

If one confesses their sin to Jesus THEY HAVE REPENTED.

so nice try, but no cigar.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

its a way around passages like:

1 John 2 4-6
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Whoever says “I know him” but does not keep his commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in him, [SUP]5 [/SUP]but whoever keeps his word, in him truly the love of God is perfected. By this we may know that we are in him: [SUP]6 [/SUP]whoever says he abides in him ought to walk in the same way in which he walked.

Do tell. How is this? I have never heard one person who has said they agree with Hypergrace say they reject this verse, or do not live it..

In fact, I have heard them say well, that verse explains them, That is how they live.

 

[PeterJens]

A lot of the discussion centres around the miss-use of words.
Words like repent, confession to be meaningful need to be expanded so they include what
the writer means by them, because two people can agree a sentence but actually it means
something different to both of them.

For me it becomes obvious, love, healing, communion change us. As we change so our
view of theology changes. Our relationship with God is not theological but emotional.
It is why those who do not understand things intellectually can have deeper fellowship with
the Father than the most sharp minded among us.

When I hear people claiming great faith and insight yet are quickly thrown off by a few
contributions, or see evil where there is none. The light never has been worried by darkness,
nothing hidden is to be feared, it just needs to be brought out so healing and sight can be
brought to bear. We have excuses, but do we know how to trust our Lord, even here in bdf
to bring His will to bear.

 

[PeterJens]

Working your way to heaven

The joke has always been people are trying to earn their way to heaven. What you will soon
find is a few words can bring real life and freedom, yet striving away for years just leads to
dust.

With all need the wisdom of the Holy Spirit and learn to walk in love and encouragement.
The problem with HG is the condemnation of many for following Gods word and being faithful.

I would be encouraged if it had not been for this tendency to condemn and reject what is obviously
part of the gospel, sin should be stopped, and righteousness followed. And Jesus empowers us
through the cross. But this has been labelled as legalism, works salvation, and evil. So this makes
us enemies, and we have no compromise over these issues, ever.

 

[PeterJens]

Do tell. How is this? I have never heard one person who has said they agree with Hypergrace say they reject this verse, or do not live it..

In fact, I have heard them say well, that verse explains them, That is how they live.

This is where the dishonesty starts.
HG says Jesus was addressing jews and not believers so all His words can be ignored.

Now this is a way of disobeying Jesus's commands, by claiming they do not apply to them.
But the reality is it is just disobeying. And any principles showing why the commands are
commands of the Kingdom of Heaven are ignored because this would bring condemnation to
their souls which is also regarded as the work of satan, rather than the truth of the gospel of
grace.

But then this is why implicit in this position there is denial as to the truth of morality and the
power of love through the cross that transforms us.