what is the gospel?

[RussellJBenigno]

Imputed Righteous by free grace due to Christ's obedience..

For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.) Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life. For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
(Rom 5:17-19)

Yet in myself a sinner...

If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
(1Jn 1:8-10)

(1John 3:6-10 [UKJV])
Whosoever abides in him sins not: whosoever sins has not seen him, neither known him. Little children, let no man deceive you: he that does righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. He that commits sin is of the devil; for the devil sins from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. Whosoever is born of God does not commit sin; for his seed remains in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever does not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loves not his brother.
You fail to understand, I'm not disagreeing that you are a sinner. But! You don't have to be one. Sad, very sad.

 

[crossnote]

(1John 3:6-10 [UKJV])
Whosoever abides in him sins not: whosoever sins has not seen him, neither known him. Little children, let no man deceive you: he that does righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. He that commits sin is of the devil; for the devil sins from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. Whosoever is born of God does not commit sin; for his seed remains in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever does not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loves not his brother.
You fail to understand, I'm not disagreeing that you are a sinner. But! You don't have to be one. Sad, very sad.

Fine with me, I guess you have met sinless perfection so you will need no more feeding.

 

[RussellJBenigno]

But acc. to Russell, Paul is just a side note pffft.

Paul is not greater then Jesus God's Messiah. Jesus is the Word of God in Flesh. Jesus is the exact reflection of God here on earth. To exalt Paul over Jesus is the root of heresy in the modern church.
(Heb 1:1-2 [CPDV])
In many places and in many ways, in past times, God spoke to the fathers through the Prophets;lastly, in these days, he has spoken to us through the Son, whom he appointed as the heir of all things, and through whom he made the world.
Missed that verse?? Huh!

 

[crossnote]

Everything we know about Jesus was written by the Apostles or their associates. Jesus wrote nothing down to us.
What the Apostles taught and wrote they received their teaching from Jesus.
So when the Scriptures say God has spoken through His Son, implied is 'as recorded by His faithful eyewitnesses the Apostles who you call 'side notes'.

Let me make this clear one last time...

Galatians 1:6-9 (KJV)
6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
8 But though we (that means the apostles), or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

You can live in that accursed state Russell, but it ain't for me.

 

[Humiliatus]

I have no problem with seminaries... nor am I negatively "slanderous" about them... The Christian colleges and universities (6 total in the US) I taught at carried full programs, (ie; philosophy, psychology, economics, engineering, accounting, etc....) not just divinity degrees or professional programs in seminary studies ... When you get students from divinity / seminary programs and mix them with philosophy majors and psychology majors all talking about scripture it can become a debate, a very lively debate to say the least... not all divinity student take only divinity classes, just as students from other majors may take a religious oriented class... not to mention, just because a student is attending a "Christian" college/university it does not always make them Christian, some do it for convenience, others scholarships... I had, not only Christian students, along side of them would be other denominations... Worked 2 years for a very large Catholic University in Indiana, go figure they hired a Baptist!... Not all the students were catholic, even in theology programs... surprise... that is how debating can occur...

My statement about debates "can make one question, defend and re-evaluate"... Not once in your life have you read a piece of scripture and thought you had a good idea of what it meant until someone gives you a optional interpretation that makes you re-evaluate that verse of scripture?... Have you never had to defend your beliefs to someone of a different belief system?... Or have you never questioned someone or even yourself before... I did! Back in the 70's when I changed denominations, became Baptist... If you have never had to do any of these things "more power to yah"... Me, I'm imperfect, flawed, sinful human, trying hard to find my way... I question myself all the time (that's one reason I pray, to ask for guidance)... as a Christian I am enlightened all the time by others interpretations of scripture and yes, I re-evaluate my understanding (I think they call it growth)... as far as defending ones position... need I say more?...

If I offended you somehow with my remarks, I apologize profusely... it was never my intention to cause discord... God Bless

John 16:33
I have said these things to you, that in me you may have peace. In the world you will have tribulation. But take heart; I have overcome the world.”

 

[mailmandan]

But not according to Jesus. Ands thats the problem. So is Jesus right or wrong?

Did Jesus preach a different gospel than Paul? Paul said in 1 Corinthians 15:1 - I declare to you the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received and in which you stand, 2 by which also you are saved, if you hold fast that word which I preached to you--unless you believed in vain. 3 For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4 and that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures. We are saved when we BELIEVE the gospel - Romans 1:16. We are also sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise - Ephesians 1:13. To BELIEVE the gospel is to trust in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ as the all sufficient means of our salvation, yet so many people believe in a "different" gospel of "works salvation" that cannot save.

 

[mailmandan]

This is what Russell wants you to do...go back to the law as prescribed by Jesus in order to be saved...

For if I rebuild what I tore down, I prove myself to be a transgressor. For through the law I died to the law, so that I might live to God. I have been crucified with Christ. It is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me. And the life I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me. I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness were through the law, then Christ died for no purpose.
(Gal 2:18-21)

The gospel is certainly not salvation by the law! Why do so many people insist on perverting the gospel?

 

[mailmandan]

The gospel is the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ. It is good news because if we join Him, we will also be raised to a new life free of sin. How do we obey the gospel?

We obey the gospel by choosing to believe the gospel, not by getting water baptized which FOLLOWS obeying/believing the gospel. Romans 10:16 - But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Isaiah says, "Lord, who has believed our report?" The gospel is not a set of rituals to perform, a code of laws to be obeyed or a check list of good works to accomplish as a prerequisite for salvation. The gospel is a message of grace to be received through faith. The gospel simply sets forth Christ crucified, buried and risen as the Savior of all who believe (trust) in His death, burial and resurrection as the all sufficient means of their salvation (1 Corinthians 15:1-4; Romans 1:16).

 

[Grandpa]

Paul is not greater then Jesus God's Messiah. Jesus is the Word of God in Flesh. Jesus is the exact reflection of God here on earth. To exalt Paul over Jesus is the root of heresy in the modern church.
(Heb 1:1-2 [CPDV])
In many places and in many ways, in past times, God spoke to the fathers through the Prophets;lastly, in these days, he has spoken to us through the Son, whom he appointed as the heir of all things, and through whom he made the world.
Missed that verse?? Huh!

Paul can't save us. Only the Lord Jesus Christ can save us.

Paul explains to us what that Salvation entails, as only a leading Pharisee turned Christian could.

Pauls words in the epistles come through the Holy Spirit which comes through Christ. So, in effect, the epistles written by Paul are the words of Christ.

Nobody says come to Paul and be saved. No one says Paul was resurrected. The only thing is, if you don't understand Paul then you don't understand the efficacy of Christs death on the Cross and His Resurrection.

 

[PennEd]

I love the beauty and simplicity of the Gospel as stated as succintly as possible in this verse: Romans 10:9

[SUP]9 [/SUP]that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.

All praises, honor, and Glory to you Lord! Give us the boldness to proclaim this Gospel and NOT a different one! In Jesus name.

 

[RussellJBenigno]

We obey the gospel by choosing to believe the gospel, not by getting water baptized which FOLLOWS obeying/believing the gospel. Romans 10:16 - But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Isaiah says, "Lord, who has believed our report?" The gospel is not a set of rituals to perform, a code of laws to be obeyed or a check list of good works to accomplish as a prerequisite for salvation. The gospel is a message of grace to be received through faith. The gospel simply sets forth Christ crucified, buried and risen as the Savior of all who believe (trust) in His death, burial and resurrection as the all sufficient means of their salvation (1 Corinthians 15:1-4; Romans 1:16).

And Jesus taught this where, in the Gospels???? He did not teach or preach being crucified, buried, risen as the Gospel or did I miss that somewhere? And if Jesus did not preach what you call the Gospel are you calling Him a liar? Was He stupid or something that He did not understand what the Gospel was? Did Jesus preach the fullness of the Gospel? Yes or No? I'll give you a hint. [if we get past this we can address what the being crucified, buried, and risen is about]
(Matt 4:23 [CPDV])
And Jesus traveled throughout all of Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the Gospel of the kingdom, and healing every sickness and every infirmity among the people.
(Matt 24:14 [CPDV])And this Gospel of the kingdom shall be preached throughout the entire world, as a testimony to all nations. And then the consummation will occur.(Luke 4:18-19 [UKJV])
The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he has anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he has sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.

 

[RussellJBenigno]

Did Jesus preach a different gospel than Paul? Paul said in 1 Corinthians 15:1 - I declare to you the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received and in which you stand, 2 by which also you are saved, if you hold fast that word which I preached to you--unless you believed in vain. 3 For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4 and that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures. We are saved when we BELIEVE the gospel - Romans 1:16. We are also sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise - Ephesians 1:13. To BELIEVE the gospel is to trust in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ as the all sufficient means of our salvation, yet so many people believe in a "different" gospel of "works salvation" that cannot save.

And Jesus taught this where as the Gospel???? All I hear you say is that Jesus is wrong and does not understand the Gospel or is to stupid to understand what He was supposed to preach as the Gospel. Until you can show me where Jesus taught what you say is the Gospel, I'll stick with what He taught. I can trust Him as the Word of God.

 

[mailmandan]

And Jesus taught this where, in the Gospels???? He did not teach or preach being crucified, buried, risen as the Gospel or did I miss that somewhere?

Is this going to turn into a dispensational, progressive revelation argument? What did Jesus teach?

John 3:15 - that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish but have everlasting life.

John 3:18 - He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

John 6:40 - And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day.

John 6:47 - Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me has everlasting life.

John 11:25 - Jesus said to her, "I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live. 26 And whoever lives and believes in Me shall never die. Do you believe this?"

What did Paul say? Acts 16:31 - Believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved. What do you say?

Luke 18:31 - Then He took the twelve aside and said to them, "Behold, we are going up to Jerusalem, and all things that are written by the prophets concerning the Son of Man will be accomplished. 32 For He will be delivered to the Gentiles and will be mocked and insulted and spit upon. 33 They will scourge Him and kill Him. And the third day He will rise again." 34 But they understood none of these things; this saying was hidden from them, and they did not know the things which were spoken. Why do you suppose this was hid from them?

Romans 16:25 - Now to Him who is able to establish you according to my gospel and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery kept secret since the world began.

Ephesians 6:19 - and for me, that utterance may be given to me, that I may open my mouth boldly to make known the mystery of the gospel. What does the Bible when it refers to something as a mystery?

And if Jesus did not preach what you call the Gospel are you calling Him a liar? Was He stupid or something that He did not understand what the Gospel was?

What I call the gospel? I quoted Paul in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4. Where did Paul receive the gospel? Galatians 1:11 - But I make known to you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached by me is not according to man. 12 For I neither received it from man, nor was I taught it, but it came through the revelation of Jesus Christ. So what is this "different" gospel that you are peddling?

Did Jesus preach the fullness of the Gospel? Yes or No? I'll give you a hint. [if we get past this we can address what the being crucified, buried, and risen is about]

Please define what you mean by "fullness of the gospel." I hear Mormons use that term a lot.

(Matt 4:23 [CPDV])
And Jesus traveled throughout all of Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the Gospel of the kingdom, and healing every sickness and every infirmity among the people.
(Matt 24:14 [CPDV])And this Gospel of the kingdom shall be preached throughout the entire world, as a testimony to all nations. And then the consummation will occur.(Luke 4:18-19 [UKJV])
The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he has anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he has sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.

So the gospel of the kingdom (Matthew 4:23) and the gospel of Christ (Romans 1:16) are the same gospel or are two different gospels? What are you trying to say? This sounds like one of those dispensational topics. - Israel's Kingdom Gospel and Our Grace Gospel

 

[mailmandan]

And Jesus taught this where as the Gospel???? All I hear you say is that Jesus is wrong and does not understand the Gospel or is to stupid to understand what He was supposed to preach as the Gospel. Until you can show me where Jesus taught what you say is the Gospel, I'll stick with what He taught. I can trust Him as the Word of God.

All I hear you say is that Paul is wrong and Jesus taught something completely different than Paul. What did Jesus teach that was so different than what Paul taught? Don't forget what Paul said! Galatians 1:11 - But I make known to you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached by me is not according to man. 12 For I neither received it from man, nor was I taught it, but it came through the revelation of Jesus Christ.

Romans 1:16 - For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who BELIEVES.. So what do YOU believe the gospel IS and what do YOU believe it means to BELIEVE the gospel?

 

[Jason0047]

Good News:

If you have never truly accepted Jesus Christ as your personal Savior, or if you are living in unrepentant sin, and you feel lost and trapped; Well, I am here to tell you that there is good news and that there is hope for you. For what must you truly believe to be saved according to the Bible? What must you believe to have that real relationship with Christ that brings love, peace, and true assurance of salvation? Well, please check out the following verses below.​

What must you believe to be saved?

#1. Admit Your A Sinner:

Romans 3:10-12
"As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one."


Romans 3:23
"For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;"



2. Realize that there is a Judgment or Consequence of your Sin:

Hebrews 9:27
"And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:"


Revelation 20:12
"And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works."


Revelation 21:8
"But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death."


Revelation 20:15
And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.


Romans 6:23
"For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord."



#3. Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ as your Savior:

1 Corinthians 15:1-4
"Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day…"


John 3:16-17

"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved."


Romans 5:8
"But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us."


1 Peter 2:24
"Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed."


Isaiah 53:5
"But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed."


2 Corinthians 5:21
"For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him."


1 Corinthians 15:22
"For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive."


Romans 5:17-18
"For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.) Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life."


Ephesians 1:7
"In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;"


Ephesians 2:8-9
"For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: not of works, lest any man should boast."




#4. Call Upon the Name of the Lord:

Romans 10:13
"For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved."



#5. Repent of Your Sins:

Matthew 4:17
"Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand."


Luke 13:3
"…Except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish."


2 Peter 3:9
"The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance."


1 John 1:9
"If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness."

1 John 1:7
"If we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin."

Proverbs 28:13
He that covereth his sins shall not prosper: but whoso confesseth and forsaketh them shall have mercy.

Matthew 12:41
The men of Nineveh shall rise in judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: because they repented at the preaching of Jonas;

Jonah 3:5, 10.
(v) 5 So the people of Nineveh believed God, (v) 10 And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not.




#6. Confess With Your Mouth the Lord Jesus Christ:

Romans 10:9
"That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved."



#7. Endure in Your Faith to the End:

Matthew 10:22
"And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved."




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[RussellJBenigno]

OK! People this is really simple to answer. Are you teaching the same Gospel Jesus taught or preached when He went town to town. If you are, then why can't anyone just point it out in the Gospels and not refer to other NT books? So far nobody seems to be able too. Why is that?

 

[RussellJBenigno]

All I hear you say is that Paul is wrong and Jesus taught something completely different than Paul. What did Jesus teach that was so different than what Paul taught? Don't forget what Paul said! Galatians 1:11 - But I make known to you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached by me is not according to man. 12 For I neither received it from man, nor was I taught it, but it came through the revelation of Jesus Christ.

Romans 1:16 - For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who BELIEVES.. So what do YOU believe the gospel IS and what do YOU believe it means to BELIEVE the gospel?

No! Paul is not wrong. It is the misinterpretation of Paul's teachings that I contest. It is not what Paul preached different, it is what is modern christianity teaching different than Jesus?.
[FONT=times new roman, new york, times, serif]Acts 28:31 KJV) "Preaching the kingdom of God, and teaching those things which concern the Lord Jesus Christ," with all confidence, ....[/FONT]

 

[Willie-T]

If you are doing what Jesus taught then you should have given all you have to the poor and are following Jesus...including the device you are typing on.

Uh.... Jesus never taught to give all you have to the poor.

 

[crossnote]

Uh.... Jesus never taught to give all you have to the poor.

Matthew 19:21 (KJV) Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.

Mark 10:21 (KJV) Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me.

According to Russell ya got to do everything Jesus taught...that's his so called gospel.

 

[crossnote]

No! Paul is not wrong. It is the misinterpretation of Paul's teachings that I contest. It is not what Paul preached different, it is what is modern christianity teaching different than Jesus?.
Acts 28:31 KJV) "Preaching the kingdom of God, and teaching those things which concern the Lord Jesus Christ," with all confidence, ....

Paul spent four chapters in Romans 1-4 explaining the whole Gospel...you should try reading and studying it sometime.