what is the gospel?

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jaybird88

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I have limited myself to only teaching what Jesus taught. When I did this it opened up my understanding of what Paul taught. I was taught in bible college that Paul taught a different gospel than Jesus and that gospel was the updated gospel. I was taught that the Gospel taught by Jesus was not for today because it was a gospel to the Jews about the promised Kingdom of God. Jesus said,"This Gospel will be preached till the end". That means there is only one Gospel which the Christ preached. Which means that every thing else written must be understood from the Gospel preached by Jesus. Paul preaches the same Gospel as Jesus. The difference is that Paul take a more scholarly examination of the Christ and His mission.
i think i understand what your saying, the gospel is the life, death and resurrection but also his teachings? or just the teachings of Jesus?
 

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Did I come across a little "haughty" ? That was not my attention... Just get tired that every decent thread having seeds of adversity planted... I have been learning a lot from the discussions and did not want to take it towards destructive debate... those questions had nothing to do with any answer I gave... they are truly, age old debate questions used at seminary debates for philosophical thinking. They are written to make one question, defend and re-evaluate... :cool:
When I attended seminary, which I finished in 2013, we never had a debate. Not in the classroom, not as an assignment, not out of class. We studied the Bible, learned Bible Interpretation, and ministry tools like preaching, teaching and counseling.

I have no idea why you have such a negative view of seminaries. I grew more as a Christian in Seminary, that in my other 28 years as a Christian. I suggest unless you can come up with some examples of "debates" in conservative seminaries, that you cease and desist from this kind of slander!
 

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Which them means the one Jesus the Christ preached was "Useless"???????
Or is it that the modern church does not understand what Jesus and Paul taught?
Paul was not going to teach anything which contradicted what Jesus taught. Jesus Is and Was the final Word to us. Paul is merely a side note to the teachings of Jesus. Paul was only building up on the Gospel of Christ and filling in gaps not fully dealt with by Jesus.
For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received: that Christ died for our sins in accordance with the Scriptures,
(1Co 15:3)

The Gospel message by Paul is the same one the other Apostles preached in Acts...they did not preach it when sent to the lost tribes of Israel for Christ had not died yet for our sins. That Gospel was the Good News that their (Israel's) Messiah had come and the King and Kingdom was at hand, but Israel had for the most part rejected that proclamation.
Jesus spent 40 days in post resurrection appearances where the Apostles had received the explanation which we read of from Paul.
Paul was not a side note as Peter gave full approval of Paul making you and your comment a side note..

And count the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the wisdom given him,
(2Pe 3:15)
 

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I have limited myself to only teaching what Jesus taught. When I did this it opened up my understanding of what Paul taught. I was taught in bible college that Paul taught a different gospel than Jesus and that gospel was the updated gospel. I was taught that the Gospel taught by Jesus was not for today because it was a gospel to the Jews about the promised Kingdom of God. Jesus said,"This Gospel will be preached till the end". That means there is only one Gospel which the Christ preached. Which means that every thing else written must be understood from the Gospel preached by Jesus. Paul preaches the same Gospel as Jesus. The difference is that Paul take a more scholarly examination of the Christ and His mission.
If you are doing what Jesus taught then you should have given all you have to the poor and are following Jesus...including the device you are typing on.
 

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i think i understand what your saying, the gospel is the life, death and resurrection but also his teachings? or just the teachings of Jesus?
This is what Russell wants you to do...go back to the law as prescribed by Jesus in order to be saved...

For if I rebuild what I tore down, I prove myself to be a transgressor. For through the law I died to the law, so that I might live to God. I have been crucified with Christ. It is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me. And the life I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me. I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness were through the law, then Christ died for no purpose.
(Gal 2:18-21)
 

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If you are doing what Jesus taught then you should have given all you have to the poor and are following Jesus...including the device you are typing on.
So are none of us doing what Jesus taught, since we all- including you and me- have some sort of device, albeit a computer, phone, iPad, etc, to go on this website?
 
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crossnote....you will grow in CHRIST...it will occur, one way or the other...Stephen, an early Christian martyr, was traditionally believed to be just 16 or 17 when he was stoned. HE was definitely very mature in his spiritual walk. Your original post tells us that you are taking baby steps now. That is not a 'bad' thing....we all started that way..nobody was born a CHRIST follower.
 

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So are none of us doing what Jesus taught, since we all- including you and me- have some sort of device, albeit a computer, phone, iPad, etc, to go on this website?
Let's put it this way. None of us are following Jesus perfectly, we all have fallen short of God's Glory, all have sinned (except maybe Russell) and are in desperate need of the free grace offer offered in the Gospel for the Church found in such passages as 1Cor 15:1-4 which Russell wants to insert all the teachings of Jesus into. That's raw heresy.
 

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what is the gospel? many might say good news so whats the good news? i have always believed it was the teachings of Jesus, pretty simple but some have different views.
The good news is literally that the kingdom of God is here.

Mark1:14 Now after John was imprisoned, Jesus went into Galilee and proclaimed the gospel of God. 1:15 He said, “The time is fulfilled and the kingdom of God is near. Repent and believe the gospel!”
 

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crossnote....you will grow in CHRIST...it will occur, one way or the other...Stephen, an early Christian martyr, was traditionally believed to be just 16 or 17 when he was stoned. HE was definitely very mature in his spiritual walk. Your original post tells us that you are taking baby steps now. That is not a 'bad' thing....we all started that way..nobody was born a CHRIST follower.
I was asked what the Gospel is. That is not baby steps that is the FOUNDATION of our walk. I see many here don't even have a grasp of that foundation. I'm not ashamed to repeat it 1000 times, as it is something terribly essential to walking.

Here is my original post...

For our purposes as the Church. ..

1 Corinthians 15:1-4 (KJV)
1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

There are other Gospels but the one above is the one in which Paul states we are saved.
Your ridiculous comment about my baby steps is just that ...ridiculous.
 

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The good news is literally that the kingdom of God is here.

Mark1:14 Now after John was imprisoned, Jesus went into Galilee and proclaimed the gospel of God. 1:15 He said, “The time is fulfilled and the kingdom of God is near. Repent and believe the gospel!”
Yes, the long awaited Messianic reign of Israel's reign...that was rejected though, mainly in MT 12 and Jesus began to build His Church (MT 16:18)speaking privately to His disciples in parables and consequentially dying for His Sheep.

That Kingdom in Mk 1:14 I believe will be realized by the Remnant of Israel after the Tribulation.
 
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i think i understand what your saying, the gospel is the life, death and resurrection but also his teachings? or just the teachings of Jesus?

Take the phrase "Jesus went town to town preaching the Gospel and calling for repentance". If we believe the text, it means Jesus was preaching the Good News. What Good News? Now the hunt is on! Now! Find every reference to what Jesus taught. He had to be teaching something which was moving people. What were the people hearing which attracted them to Him. I will tell you this, it was not about living forever, that's a mistranslation of an idiom. The real meaning of eternal life is "richness and abundance of life in all manner that has no end". Jesus gives the clue when the rich young ruler asks Him about how to have Life. Jesus responds,"Are you following the 10C" Deut 28:1-14 is what Jesus was referring to and is part of the Gospel. It is referring to the rule of God [Kingdom of God]. How do I know?
(Heb 4:2 [UKJV])
For unto us was the "Gospel" preached
, as well as unto them [The Jews in the desert by Moses and called to repentance]: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
Do we believe the text or not? If we do believe it without altering it we have a clue. So the Gospel did not originate with Jesus, but was Sealed or Finalized by Him. If we go further back we will find Noah preached the same Gospel, because he was a preacher of righteousness. Noah was calling the people back to God's rule, ie: repentance, ring a bell.

 
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Kaycie

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The gospel is the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ. It is good news because if we join Him, we will also be raised to a new life free of sin. How do we obey the gospel? We die to ourselves, we bury our old sinful self in the watery grave of baptism, and we are raised a new creature with the Holy Spirit- Who marks us for salvation. "Or don't you know that if we have been baptized into Christ that we baptized into His death? In order that just as Jesus was raised, we too may live a new life." (Somewhere in the first few verses of Romans six). "With fire God will take vengeance on those who know not God, and obey not the gospel of His Son." (I don't remember where that one is, but I'm thinking Thessalonians).
 

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Let's put it this way. None of us are following Jesus perfectly, we all have fallen short of God's Glory, all have sinned (except maybe Russell) and are in desperate need of the free grace offer offered in the Gospel for the Church found in such passages as 1Cor 15:1-4 which Russell wants to insert all the teachings of Jesus into. That's raw heresy.
Jesus came to seek sinners and not the righteous. I believe Him, as the Righteous I am already walking with God and a Son of God, but you are in desperate need of grace if you see your self as a sinner. I'd take that offer of Jesus if I were you. Jesus' teachings maybe raw heresy to you, but to the righteous [those who are not sinners] they are Words from God. Every Word He spoke was from the Father and they are life.
 

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What must one do to be saved?

This..."memorize all the teachings of Jesus and then GO and DO, thus you will inherit eternal life".

OR

This...Then he brought them out and said, "Sirs, what must I do to be saved?" And they said, "Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household."
(Act 16:30-31)

For the work mongers, Paul gives this warning...

I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting him who called you in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel—not that there is another one, but there are some who trouble you and want to distort the gospel of Christ. But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed. As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed.
(Gal 1:6-9)
 

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Jesus came to seek sinners and not the righteous. I believe Him, as the Righteous I am already walking with God and a Son of God, but you are in desperate need of grace if you see your self as a sinner. I'd take that offer of Jesus if I were you. Jesus' teachings maybe raw heresy to you, but to the righteous [those who are not sinners] they are Words from God. Every Word He spoke was from the Father and they are life.
Imputed Righteous by free grace due to Christ's obedience..

For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.) Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life. For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
(Rom 5:17-19)

Yet in myself a sinner...

If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
(1Jn 1:8-10)
 
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This is what Russell wants you to do...go back to the law as prescribed by Jesus in order to be saved...

For if I rebuild what I tore down, I prove myself to be a transgressor. For through the law I died to the law, so that I might live to God. I have been crucified with Christ. It is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me. And the life I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me. I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness were through the law, then Christ died for no purpose.
(Gal 2:18-21)
Your ignorance of the Law of Moses and confusing it with the Law of God [the 10C] is causing you to not understand the Gospel of Jesus Christ. For those who can understand Jesus made a distinction between the two laws. Jesus would distance Himself from the law of Moses by saying," Is it not written in Your law". If He identified with it He would have said our law. So when Jesus was pointing the rich young ruler to the 10C, He was correct in pointing the young man to the Rule of God. This was in line with the Gospel which Jesus preached. I agree with Jesus. Jesus was not wrong referring to the 10C, only sinners disagreed with Jesus.
 
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Kaycie

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The gospel is the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ. 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 states this.
 

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Your ignorance of the Law of Moses and confusing it with the Law of God [the 10C] is causing you to not understand the Gospel of Jesus Christ. For those who can understand Jesus made a distinction between the two laws. Jesus would distance Himself from the law of Moses by saying," Is it not written in Your law". If He identified with it He would have said our law. So when Jesus was pointing the rich young ruler to the 10C, He was correct in pointing the young man to the Rule of God. This was in line with the Gospel which Jesus preached. I agree with Jesus. Jesus was not wrong referring to the 10C, only sinners disagreed with Jesus.
The rich young ruler failed the test as all do that is why the disciples ended up asking, "Who then can be saved?" Jesus answered with men this is impossible but with God all things are possible.

And the disciples were astonished at his words. But Jesus answereth again, and saith unto them, Children, how hard is it for them that trust in riches to enter into the kingdom of God! It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God. And they were astonished out of measure, saying among themselves, Who then can be saved? And Jesus looking upon them saith, With men it is impossible, but not with God: for with God all things are possible.
(Mar 10:24-27)

The Law, whether it is by Christ or Moses is LAW not GOSPEL. It's called the ABC's of the Gospel. We are not saved through our law keeping period..OT or NT. We are saved by the Person of Jesus Christ..His perfect Obedience, shed blood, death, resurrection.
Any following your deception will fall hard into the same pit you are trying to climb out of.