What Laws are still valid to christians

[letti]

I keep myself focused on Christ at all times, he never leaves my heart or mind.Neither do his ways,that lead my way,each day My faith grows,staying in scripture, prayer,all this is very important,stay focused.

 

[Elin]

okay then and so man has taken control of the reins, and God is asleep like Buddha, NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Man has taken the word and interpreted it according to man's self gain, only God himself can separate the error(s) from truth written as in the interpretations of mankind, but he does not talk except through the word is what you just said. So is God dead or just on vacation or asleep? For man has misinterpreted the word over the years,

Which is why each one's personal "revelation" (interpretation) is not authoritative for the Church.

and the only inerrant word is the original written word before any translation, done well in many places and not so well in other places, changing the meaning of the truth.
I just had coffee this morning with my Father Thanks to Jesus's finished work, where I have access to the throne of grace in confidence to be taught by Father how to say no to unrighteopusness, and Father as never failed me, whether I have failed Father or not.
Maybe I misinterpreted what you said or you might mean to say it differently, your choice. Love you regardless

Now that's some "revelation" one can use!

 

[Elin]

Where is the true Tabernacle at Sister, not Church. Church is a mistranslated word from the word Ecclesia in the original written inerrant word and these words do not have the same meaning.

Ecclesia is the "called-out assembly."

It's a whole lot easier to say "church," but call it ecclesia if you like.

However, the NT disagrees with you.
The ecclesia (called-out assembly) is the temple of God (1Co 3:16).

 

[Elin]

Yes, all of the NT is the revelation of Christ Jesus.

The point was the words of Jesus.

By who's interpretation,

The point under discussion was not interpretation, but who actually said the words.

 

[Elin]

Isayah 8:20, "To the Law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them."

To the words spoken by the Son in these last days (Heb 1:1-2) through the NT writers, in the light of which all Scripture is to be understood.

I agree.

Mattithyah 7:23, "But then I will declare to them; I never knew you. Get away from Me,
you who practice iniquity."

Yes, and those in Mt 7:23 possessed counterfeit faith and were not saved.

All the unsaved are necessarily practitioners of iniquity,
at least of the iniquity of lying.
For unbelief is a lie.

 

[Hizikyah]

Yes, and those in Mt 7:23 possessed counterfeit faith and were not saved.

All the unsaved are necessarily practitioners of iniquity,
at least of the iniquity of lying.
For unbelief is a lie.

I do agree with the overall point, but I dont think that was the point of the verse, as He would have said "you of little/no faith/belief just as easily.

but to add to that and to show faith and works work hand in hand without both there is neither:

Hebrews 3:18-19, "And to whom did He vow that they would not enter into His rest, but to those who did not obey? So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief."

Do you see how no distinction is made between disobedience and unbelief?
However the western mind makes a LARGE distinction between the 2.....

 

[zone]

"Horror hath taken hold upon me because of the wicked that forsake the words of Christ and his apostles."

 

[Hizikyah]

Yes, and those in Mt 7:23 possessed counterfeit faith and were not saved.

All the unsaved are necessarily practitioners of iniquity,
at least of the iniquity of lying.
For unbelief is a lie.

Mt 7:23 is about people think and say they follow the Messiah but they dont submit to Yahweh;s Law, unless you change the meaning of the word iniquity this is the meaning.

iniquity is:#0458 ἀνομία anomia {an-om-ee'-ah} from G0459

Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)
1) the condition of without law
1a) because ignorant of it
1b) because of violating it
2) contempt and violation of law, iniquity, wickedness

 

[Elin]

I do agree with the overall point, but I dont think that was the point of the verse, as
He would have said "you of little/no faith/belief just as easily.

You know as well as I do that "he would have said" is no basis for objection.

And have you forgotten that disobedience is unbelief?

but to add to that and to show faith and works work hand in hand without both there is neither:

Did you miss their miraculous works?

Hebrews 3:18-19, "And to whom did He vow that they would not enter into His rest, but to those who did not obey? So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief."

Do you see how no distinction is made between disobedience and unbelief?

Because disobedience is unbelief, they are the same Greek word, apeitheia.

Their counterfeit faith was unbelief which necessarily manifests in disobedience.

Because of their unbelief, they were disobedient workers of iniquity.

 

[Hizikyah]

You know as well as I do that "he would have said" is no basis for objection.

And have you forgotten that disobedience is unbelief?


Did you miss their miraculous works?


Because disobedience is unbelief, they are the same Greek word, apeitheia.

Their counterfeit faith was unbelief which necessarily manifests in disobedience.

Because of their unbelief, they were disobedient workers of iniquity.

im not saying these principles are wrong because I agree with them but theses are not the point of that verse and you are ignoring what the text actually says.

 

[Elin]

Mt 7:23 is about people think and say they follow the Messiah but they dont submit to Yahweh;s Law, unless you change the meaning of the word iniquity this is the meaning. . .

2) contempt and violation of law, iniquity, wickedness

"The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent." (Jn 6:29)

"Repent and believe" is the law of Christ Jesus (Mk 1:16).

Unbelief breaks the laws of God and Christ Jesus, and is iniquity.

 

[Hizikyah]

"The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent." (Jn 6:29)

"Repent and believe" is the law of Christ Jesus (Mk 1:16).

Unbelief breaks the laws of God and Christ Jesus, and is iniquity.

Yaaqob 2:22 7 26, "Do you see that the faith worked together with his works, and by works the faith makes perfect?" "For just as the body without the spirit is dead, so the faith without works is dead also."

You know that is the beginning there is more, does one not have to actually do anything else Yahweh and Yahshua said....

Revelation 12:17, "And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and went to make war with those who forsook her seed; her seed being those who keep the Laws of Yahweh, and have the testimony of Yahshua Messiah."

1785. entolé
Definition: an ordinance, injunction, command, law.

Revelation 14:12, "In this manner are the saints purified--by keeping the Laws of Yahweh, in conformity with the faith in Yahshua Messiah."

1785. entolé
Definition: an ordinance, injunction, command, law.

Mattithyah 22:37-40, "Yahshua said to him: You must love Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your hneighbor as yourself. On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."

Mattithyah 5:18, "For truly I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh--the smallest of the letters--will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

Luke 16:17, "But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."

Revelation 22:12-15, "And behold, I come quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give every man according as his work will be. I am the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. Blessed are those who keep His Laws, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For outside are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and worshipers of gods and everyone who professes to love, yet practices falsehood."

 

[Elin]

im not saying these principles are wrong because I agree with them but theses are not the point of that verse and you are ignoring what the text actually says.

They are the point of Mt 7:23.

These people worked miracles in the name of Christ (Jn 7:22),
they professed belief in Christ (Jn 7:21).

True faith in Christ
is the result of the new birth by the Holy Spirit,
justifies you (gives you the righteousness of God, right standing) before God,
saves you from condemnation (Jn 3:18, Ro 8:1),
gives eternal life and you can never perish (Jn 10:28-29; 6:39).

Those in Mt 7:23 never had any of these because they did not have true faith.
Without true faith, they perished as evildoers of unbelief (counterfeit faith) and disobedience.

 

[Hizikyah]

They are the point of Mt 7:23.

These people worked miracles in the name of Christ (Jn 7:22),
they professed belief in Christ (Jn 7:21).

True faith in Christ
is the result of the new birth by the Holy Spirit,
justifies you (gives you the righteousness of God, right standing) before God,
saves you from condemnation (Jn 3:18, Ro 8:1),
gives eternal life and you can never perish (Jn 10:28-29; 6:39).

Those in Mt 7:23 never had any of these because they did not have true faith.
Without true faith, they perished as evildoers of unbelief (counterfeit faith) and disobedience.

Yet you completely gloss over the MEANING of the word iniquity...: "the condition of without law"

Get away from Me, you who reject Law

Get away from Me, you who are Lawless

and this doctrine matches the words of the Messiah OVER AND OVER.

Mattithyah 7:23, "But then I will declare to them; I never knew you. Get away from Me, you who practice iniquity."

iniquity is:#0458 ἀνομία anomia {an-om-ee'-ah} from G0459

Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)
1) the condition of without law
1a) because ignorant of it
1b) because of violating it
2) contempt and violation of law, iniquity, wickedness

I see a paradigm fantasia in may here

 

[Elin]

Yaaqob 2:22 7 26, "Do you see that the faith worked together with his works, and by works the faith makes perfect?"

True faith includes obedience.

That is the meaning of true faith, the obedience does not have to be specified separately.

Obedience is the completing (perfecting) of, the acting out of, the expression of true faith.

That is what they did not have in Mt 7:23, they were disobedient, workers of iniquity,
which manifested their counterfeit faith.

They were condemned for the unbelief of their counterfeit faith which produced their disobedience.

 

[Elin]

They are the point of Mt 7:23.

These people worked miracles in the name of Christ (Jn 7:22),
they professed belief in Christ (Jn 7:21).

True faith in Christ
is the result of the new birth by the Holy Spirit,
justifies you (gives you the righteousness of God, right standing) before God,
saves you from condemnation (Jn 3:18, Ro 8:1),
gives eternal life and you can never perish (Jn 10:28-29; 6:39).

Those in Mt 7:23 never had any of these because they did not have true faith.
Without true faith, they perished as evildoers of unbelief (counterfeit faith) and disobedience.

Yet you completely gloss over the MEANING of the word iniquity...: "the condition of without law"

Read it again.

 

[Hoffco]

God, who at various times and in various ways spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets, Has in these last days spoken to us by His Son, (DIVINE) whom He (FATHER)has appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the worlds; Who being the brightness of His glory and the express image of His person, and upholding all things by the word of His power, when He had by Himself (DIVINE/HUMAN) purged our sins, sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high, Having become (AS A HUMAN) so much beter than the angels, as He (HUMAN) has by inheritance obtained a more excellent name (JESUS/LORD)than they." Heb.1:1-4 "God/Father, has (made an end of speaking) in His eternal Son. The greek word has te meaning of the final word. Meaning, there is no more speaking after Jesus got through inspiring His apostles to write down His interpretation of His minisyry. The Old t. was closed and the New was in force. There is no new revelation for us today. BUT, does thisleave room for a PERSONAL revelation to some one today? I think so.! BUT, that would be personal and not in force for anyone else. This is my opinion. I have always wished that The Father would give me a personal word at many times , but He never has, I have always had to go by the WRITTEN word of God. In the ultimate sense,it is all I need, but, in an immediate sense, I wish I had more to go by. BUT, not my will, but God's will be done. And, I will not trust the will of a man. Love to all. Hoffco

 

[Hizikyah]

Read it again.

disobedience to what? their conscience? state law? j walking? catholic doctrine? their pastors words?.....

4 "Whoever commits sin, transgresses also the Law; for sin is the transgression of the Law."

iniquity is being without Yahweh;s Law, that is what you are glossing over.

Messiah says He we reject those who are not subject to Yahweh's Law....and then we go in a circle and you say "His Law is to believe" according to the Messiah its more than that...

 

[Hoffco]

Elin, thank you for finally saying.,"true faith includes obedience". BUT, you are WRONG to say, it doesn't need to be said. BECAUSE, so many are saying,"we are justified by faith alone", the truth is faith and works saves our soul. Grace, faith, works = salvation.! Love to all, Hoffco

 

[Elin]

They are the point of Mt 7:23.

These people worked miracles in the name of Christ (Jn 7:22),
they professed belief in Christ (Jn 7:21).

True faith in Christ
is the result of the new birth by the Holy Spirit,
justifies you (gives you the righteousness of God, right standing) before God,
saves you from condemnation (Jn 3:18, Ro 8:1),
gives eternal life and you can never perish (Jn 10:28-29; 6:39).

Those in Mt 7:23 never had any of these because they did not have true faith.
Without true faith, they perished as evildoers of unbelief (counterfeit faith) and disobedience.

Yet you completely gloss over the MEANING of the word iniquity...: "the condition of without law"

Read it again.

disobedience to what?

Disobedience to Jesus commands in Mt 22:37-40, as the result of their counterfeit faith, unbelief.