What Laws are still valid to christians

[cfultz3]

You do understand that the Law of Sin is the principle of sin in fallen nature, right?

Would you say that differently?

 

[cfultz3]

A servant, who trusts his master, and knows his masters business. Does not think of the rules. Nor is he guided by the rules. He goes about his masters business. And in doing so, He does not have to worry about breaking the rules.

But of course. On the times he may mess up and forget his masters business for a minute and chose to serve self because of temptation. The rule immediately pops up and he realises he has broken his masters trust. And can get back to his masters business.

But, all the while my dear Brother, his pleasure is to please his master. To do His Lord's will.

I love the second paragraph.

 

[just-me]

Do you understand the nature of refutation?

One way to do so is to ask a question whose answer by the other party will reveal their error which they are overlooking.

It's not about condemnation.

It's about bringing to light the contradictions in their understanding.

Not answering those questions gives the appearance of wanting to avoid having to deal with the contradictions inherent in one's (mis)understanding.

And not answering the questions in order to avoid dealing with the contradiction reveals one is not discussing in good faith.

Imagine what Sunday School would be like every week if we talked there the same as in here. There would be no teaching there either except for all to see what kind of characters we are instead of identifying the character (name) of God.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

But, all the while my dear Brother, his pleasure is to please his master. To do His Lord's will.

I love the second paragraph.

exactly! and where does this come from? He trusts his master, (Faith)

the more we grow in Christ and trust him, the less we will seek the desires of the flesh. We have to learn to stop trusting self. And learn that God truly loves us.

 

[cfultz3]

You do understand that the Law of Sin is the principle of sin in fallen nature, right?

I am not understanding what you are asking. Will you ask differently?

 

[Elin]

Thank you very much. Your open heart is the key, and my heart also must follow suit with your heart. Knowing that you have the heart you do, I am sure you are saddened as I am with the contention caused by assumptions. Just say that the law is valid for more than condemnation, or that the entire Word of God is relevant equally, or anything pertaining to
the equal validity of the Old Testament, and you are labeled.

The NT reveals that the revelation spoken by the Son (singular) in these last days (Heb 1:1-2), given through the NT writers, is a unique category of revelation, in contrast to the revelation which was fragmentary, occasional, lacking in fullness and finailty, which was spoken "in the past days. . .through the prophets (plural) at many times (occasional) and in various ways (fragmentary)."

The revelation given by the Son is superior to all other revelation, and is the light in which all other revelation is to be understood.

That is so sad. I'm not being defensive of myself, but I am contending for the faith.
I just can't see any part of the Word of God negated or changed according to God's plan
when God says He don’t change, and neither does Jesus change.

Nevertheless, the NT reveals that there have been big changes:

the sacrificial system has changed (Heb 9:27; 10:10),
the priesthood of Aaron has changed (Heb 7:11),
the Siniatic covenant has changed (Heb 8:13),
the curse of the Law has changed (Ro 8:1),
a New Covenant is in force (Lk 22:20; Heb 9:15, 8:6; 2Co 3:6).

The inability to see the changes God planned from before the foundations of the world is due to failure to lay hold of the Son's revelation spoken in these last days (Heb 1:1-2), and given through the NT writers.

 

[Elin]

heheehhe...okay...okay....go for it

Nah. . .that's no fun.

I'd rather love you.

 

[Elin]

Enforcing the law of the land would help. I would say if capital punishment was till legal, as it used to be, form coast to coast, there would be a notable decline in murder. If the Ten Commandments were still on the walls of our schools, as it used to be, there would be a decline in bullying, leading to killing in some cases. I would say if people would be responsible
for their promiscuity, there would be a whole lot less one parent families, and street crimes in our larger cities. I would say that Detroit would not be in the shape that it is today if there had been integrity enough for politicians to turn away from legalized extortion, and so on and so on.

Yeppers. . .

 

[Elin]

Then arguing before you ask the question is incorrect, for you really don't know what that person believes. As far as questions are concerned, I have no problem with a person who is asking a legitimate question to sincerely understand another persons heart. But answering questions that are not relative to that sincerity, and are leading questions that sound like a person hasn't kicked in the brain yet, are questions that the Bible says lead to contention. I have to admit that my frustrations have lead me to respond in kind, so I confess I was wrong. And you know that along with everybody else that frequent this thread.

Which doesn't mean you aren't loved.

 

[just-me]

Nevertheless, the NT reveals that there have been big changes:

Rhetorically, who made those changes? Or was it the plan all along? I think it was the plan from the beginning so the sequence of events were never changed.
Malachi 3:6 (KJV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP]For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.
Hebrews 13:8 (KJV)
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

Would you agree that Jesus gave the law to Moses?

 

[Galatians2-20]

Sabbath is no longer a law we must obey.

The Sabbath has not been done away with rather, it is fulfilled "IN CHRIST". The Old Testament Sabbath Day was a type / shadow of a New Testament reality that very few modern Christians seem to understand.

The N.T. Sabbath looks like this: no longer must we perform ceremonies or sacrifices or observe holy days to fulfill the law. Instead, God has given us the same Spirit that indwelt and empowered Christ who possesses all the divine attributes (character, behavior) necessary to fulfill the Law in us and through us if we would only surrender completely to Him and rely completely in Him. Complete reliance on and obedience to the Indwelling Christ is the Sabbath rest because only He can live the Christian life in us and through us.

 

[Elin]

You do understand that the Law of Sin is the principle of sin in fallen nature, right?

Would you say that differently?

The "law of sin" is not the law of Moses, but the principle of sin in fallen nature.

Paul uses the word "law" in so many ways:
law in general
a principle or force compelling action, as in "law of sin," "law of my mind," "law of faith," "law of sin and death"
law of liberty
law of the Spirit of life
law of righteousness
Mosaic law
the whole law
the books which contain the law
the law of Christ
law of faith

"The law" does not always refer to the Mosaic law, or God's law.

 

[Josh321]

everysingle person on this forum wants to do the right thing and the will of God, ofcourse we all love God, we may have went down the wrong path or to doctrines of men but all it takes is to admit to yourself that something is wrong and i'm sure God will hear your plee, i really would love for my fellow brothers and sisters who are trying to be justified by the law to come to terms of what me and my fellow brothers are truly saying on this forum, honestly my heart longing for everyone to just be in the same faith, firstly we gotta ask yourself a question why did christ come? to die for sinners right? that would mean that whatever we had to follow before wasn't able to fully get rid of sin so God himself had to come down to overcome it for us, now what does this mean? how can the sinners be saved and be made holy through the death of christ? through the receiving of the holy spirit that is the gift, and that gift makes us righteous that is the fulfillment of the law and take a look at this

20 Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,
21 (Touch not; taste not; handle not;
22 Which all are to perish with the using after the commandments and doctrines of men?
[h=3]Colossians 2:20-22[/h]King James Version (KJV)

our focus should be on God not anything else, i know some people won't understand what i mean because.. if anyone experience it they would just know.. what fulfill means and the spirit of the law, but because of this we don't have to look at anything else but God and of the heavenly things to come


3 If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.
2 Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth.
3 For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.
[h=3]Colossians 3:1-3 God bless you all[/h]

 

[Elin]

Imagine what Sunday School would be like every week if we talked there the same as in here. There would be no teaching there either except for all to see what kind of characters we are instead of identifying the character (name) of God.

Some Sunday school classes do just that.

But, of course, the forum is not a class.

 

[Elin]

Rhetorically, who made those changes? Or was it the plan all along? I think it was the plan from the beginning so the sequence of events were never changed.
Malachi 3:6 (KJV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP]For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.
Hebrews 13:8 (KJV)
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

Would you agree that Jesus gave the law to Moses?

Jesus of Nazareth did not exist when the law was given to Moses.

 

[cfultz3]

The "law of sin" is not the law of Moses, but the principle of sin in fallen nature.

Paul uses the word "law" in so many ways:
law in general
a principle or force compelling action, as in "law of sin," "law of my mind," "law of faith," "law of sin and death"
law of liberty
law of the Spirit of life
law of righteousness
Mosaic law
the whole law
the books which contain the law
the law of Christ
law of faith

"The law" does not always refer to the Mosaic law, or God's law.

Thank you.

My understanding of "Law of Sin" is this: don't eat from the tree, you will die. Don't do this or that, you will die. Any Law (no particular set of laws) which says what is sin (disobedience), as oppose to what is God's Law: Love.

If I understand you correctly, in that a law is the compelling force behind a committed sin (a particular law made me sin), then no, I did not know that.

My understanding is that the Law makes one recognize/acknowledge what sin is.

I think I am still misunderstanding you.

 

[Elin]

Thank you.

My understanding of "Law of Sin" is this: don't eat from the tree, you will die. Don't do this or that, you will die. Any Law (no particular set of laws) which says what is sin (disobedience), as oppose to what is God's Law: Love.

If I understand you correctly, in that a law is the compelling force behind a committed sin (a particular law made me sin), then no, I did not know that.

My understanding is that the Law makes one recognize/acknowledge what sin is.

I think I am still misunderstanding you.

The compelling force of of my fallen to sin is the "law of sin."

 

[Elin]

Thank you.

My understanding of "Law of Sin" is this: don't eat from the tree, you will die. Don't do this or that, you will die. Any Law (no particular set of laws) which says what is sin (disobedience), as oppose to what is God's Law: Love.

If I understand you correctly, in that a law is the compelling force behind a committed sin (a particular law made me sin), then no, I did not know that.

My understanding is that the Law makes one recognize/acknowledge what sin is.

I think I am still misunderstanding you.

Con't.

The compelling force of my fallen nature to sin is the "law of sin."

The desire in my mind to obey God is the "law of my mind."

The fallen nature that desires sin is the "law of my members."

The controlling power of sin which ultimately produces death is the "law of sin and death."

In that manner. . .

 

[Hoffco]

God has never saved by grace alone without laws,rules to live by. Grace would be a license to sin without rules,laws to live by. If we are saved by Grace thru Faith unto good works, we will still brake some of God's rules, and when we disobey we repent, we say, ( I'm sorry, I will try harder today, to obey,) Grace forgives and sends us back to the rules and says, try again, this time try harder so you don't brake MY rules., and make Me sad. If we continuously keep braking God's rules, God say, away with you, I don't love you anymore, you were never saved and never were My child. You must see salvation in this light, because none of us has looked into the Lamb's book of life ,so we don't know if our name is there,as a fact, for sure, we DON'T know.period.! We are only assured we are saved as we acts as saved people act.. Love to all, Hoffco

 

[cfultz3]

The compelling force of of my fallen to sin is the "law of sin."

With our flesh, we serve the Law of Sin which wars against the Law of our mind.

With our mind (the inward man), we serve the Law of God.

By our flesh, we are led to sin, seeing that the carnal mind is in opposition to God's will.

By our spirit, we mind spiritual things, seeing that we have died to the governing of the flesh.

Temptation is a very powerful force enticing the flesh to fall to sin. So powerful, it was the tool Satan tried to use against Jesus.