What makes a "Good Christian"?

[herkamer63]

Faith is personal, believe what you want. And keep assuming about me, judge me, however you like, just generalize, it is fine. I do not have the king james bible firstly, and I am expecting my new bible today or tomorrow. Going to check the mail in a few hours. I am not a missionary, keep your beliefs, I just give my take.

Define christian is not easy in a forum it seems, people have different views on it. Regarding demons believing in God, you know it does not make them christians when they do not worship God. We do not agree on salvation, sanctification, or faith. Keep it as you have it, and I keep it as I have it. I read for me, I am not converting through word of mouth. You could have advised me on some books to get on saturday if you wanted to nudge my faith, no suggestions, so I got about 10 books about the portions I believe is of utmost importance. So we can do some biblical verses conversation about those topics in the coming months.

Makes you wonder if these people, even though they may have read the Bible, actually understand what it's saying. One thing the person you're talking to missed, and I believe is just important as worshiping the Lord and believing in the resurrection of Christ, is having a personal relationship with God. Without it, you can believe and worship all you want, but it means nothing when you don't follow through of what He's expecting from us.

And shout out to you, as well, because you're saying what I'm saying to these people. It comes down to choices. It interesting how controversial it seems like to these people. They also seem to be unable to accept the fact that not every Christian is going to be like them. I could care less on how they want to go about life, so long as it's following God's Word. If they're not, then they never truly believed to begin with, just nice things to tell themselves. So I just wanted to throw that out there.

 

[herkamer63]

Now it is clear to me. You have a persecution complex and you really enjoy thinking people are against you.


I never have understood things like this, but I can observe that people sometimes enjoy it. Have fun thinking we hate you. Or something. Whatever.

For the record, we don't. We are not against you at all. But I know I will not convince you of it. So have fun.

Well, if you're not against/hate me, take back what you said about me being arrogant, ignorant and a fool on this subject. And while you're at it, take back this accusation that I have a persecution complex. I would then ask for an apology for the name calling and these implications that, somehow, I'm a hateful or bad person. I still haven't seen what evil I'm talking about that you believe that I had put on here, but that's okay. If you point it out, I too will apologize. We'll let this whole thing go and count it as a one off.

 

[rayzor]

Well, if you're not against/hate me, take back what you said about me being arrogant, ignorant and a fool on this subject. And while you're at it, take back this accusation that I have a persecution complex. I would then ask for an apology for the name calling and these implications that, somehow, I'm a hateful or bad person. I still haven't seen what evil I'm talking about that you believe that I had put on here, but that's okay. If you point it out, I too will apologize. We'll let this whole thing go and count it as a one off.

Some of us need deliverance...it can b a state of torment 2 think everyone is against u.some bad guys go out only by prayer & fasting.

 

[cinder]

You could have advised me on some books to get on saturday if you wanted to nudge my faith, no suggestions, so I got about 10 books about the portions I believe is of utmost importance.

You mean advised you like I did in this post. I gave you a whole website full of free resources and several book recommendations with links and explained why it was a little late to the party.

 

[herkamer63]

Some of us need deliverance...it can b a state of torment 2 think everyone is against u.some bad guys go out only by prayer & fasting.

I understand that, and agree with it full heartedly. And I also understand that not everyone is against me. As a matter of fact, I already know that the majority of the people here are not. Unfortunately, the ones that I am talking to seem to have a disdain towards those who have a different perspective that they do. Disagreements are one thing, but what these guys are doing comes from a place where it seems to equate with arrogant, foolish, or what have you. I really am ready to let this whole thing go, as I'm already forgiving the guy that I posted the latest message to. So I don't hate this guy or anyone else on here that disagrees, but it's no less frustrating.

 

[Lynx]

Well, if you're not against/hate me, take back what you said about me being arrogant, ignorant and a fool on this subject. And while you're at it, take back this accusation that I have a persecution complex. I would then ask for an apology for the name calling and these implications that, somehow, I'm a hateful or bad person. I still haven't seen what evil I'm talking about that you believe that I had put on here, but that's okay. If you point it out, I too will apologize. We'll let this whole thing go and count it as a one off.

Yeah. Right.

You blow into the forum, argue with everyone, sling insults left and right, and expect us to roll over and apologize?

"Yes, you are right, we are such terrible christians, we apologize, please forgive us." Suuuuuuuuure.

People like you come through all the time. I know how this story ends. If you really are this emotionally volatile, you will soon get really offended and leave in a terrible rage. If you are a troll trying to stir up junk you will soon say something that will finally get you banned.

Either way life will continue much as it always does. None of us old hands are going to pee in our pants just because you growled at us.

 

[mindfulzen]

Makes you wonder if these people, even though they may have read the Bible, actually understand what it's saying. One thing the person you're talking to missed, and I believe is just important as worshiping the Lord and believing in the resurrection of Christ, is having a personal relationship with God. Without it, you can believe and worship all you want, but it means nothing when you don't follow through of what He's expecting from us.

And shout out to you, as well, because you're saying what I'm saying to these people. It comes down to choices. It interesting how controversial it seems like to these people. They also seem to be unable to accept the fact that not every Christian is going to be like them. I could care less on how they want to go about life, so long as it's following God's Word. If they're not, then they never truly believed to begin with, just nice things to tell themselves. So I just wanted to throw that out there.

We do not believe the same that is for sure, I think most are BOTs earning 6 figure incomes to spam christian and conservative forums. Otherwise it is deliberately ignoring rules and God because it is convenient. No christian who have read a little about Jesus, do not know that Jesus points to God. He is not the end. Pointed to God, and went home to Heaven. Those who want to miss the boat, they are free to do so. Jesus talked about personal relationship with God. We both know that it would be a total chaos in Heaven, and it would stop being Heaven, if all were admitted no matter what. Up to them if they want to enter or not, I am no missionary, nor are you it seems. And Jesus did not force anybody to believe, so neither will I, if they want to know one bit of acting like Jesus.

 

[herkamer63]

Yeah. Right.

You blow into the forum, argue with everyone, sling insults left and right, and expect us to roll over and apologize?

"Yes, you are right, we are such terrible christians, we apologize, please forgive us." Suuuuuuuuure.

People like you come through all the time. I know how this story ends. If you really are this emotionally volatile, you will soon get really offended and leave in a terrible rage. If you are a troll trying to stir up junk you will soon say something that will finally get you banned.

Either way life will continue much as it always does. None of us old hands are going to pee in our pants just because you growled at us.

So you don't want to apologize, is what you're telling me? That's fine and I do forgive you because I believe, after some pondering, there's something else going on (and I think I know what it is, based on a particular section mentioned). In any case, tells me something about you're character: I don't believe you are who you say you are and your overly prideful.

To be honest, I wasn't expecting you to apologize because of these characteristics won't allow you to, which means you're letting your emotions dictate how to go about this spat.

All I did was give an opinion, based on my and people close to me experiences, and you jumped down my throat. The only thing I said that would be close to a put down was the questions asked are redundant, and I believe it to be true. So this rhetoric saying that I came in insulting everyone, saying that everyone is after me because of a persecution complex, and trolling others is simply not true. You're saying this to silence me because you didn't like my answer. That is censorship and bullying, which could get you banned, not me and I'll present my case to the administrators prove it.

But I won't report you, if it ever came down to that, because I believe everyone should have a voice, but with my opinion, it definitely shook you and may have taken as an insult because someone challenged the narrative some of you put out there. I didn't mean for it as an insult. Sorry but not sorry. Take it for what it's worth.

Oh, and, btw, I noticed you do what you're doing with me with others on this forum that you don't agree with, so even though I won't report you, don't be surprised if someone(s) else does. My advice, you might want to cut it out before whoever it is does so, assuming you want to stay on this site. Say what you want to the contrary, I would rather see you have an opinion, but to prod them into getting into an argument with you, in an attempt to make yourself look smarter, that could get you into bigger trouble than what it's worth.

 

[herkamer63]

We do not believe the same that is for sure, I think most are BOTs earning 6 figure incomes to spam christian and conservative forums. Otherwise it is deliberately ignoring rules and God because it is convenient. No christian who have read a little about Jesus, do not know that Jesus points to God. He is not the end. Pointed to God, and went home to Heaven. Those who want to miss the boat, they are free to do so. Jesus talked about personal relationship with God. We both know that it would be a total chaos in Heaven, and it would stop being Heaven, if all were admitted no matter what. Up to them if they want to enter or not, I am no missionary, nor are you it seems. And Jesus did not force anybody to believe, so neither will I, if they want to know one bit of acting like Jesus.

I'm beginning to believe that they're nothing more than trolls because it doesn't make any sense what they're saying. No where in my posts I threw any personal insults at anyone nor believed everyone was against me, or anything of the sort. Heated arguments, yes, but nothing where I judged them as people. It's truly bizarre, imo, especially when it comes to the point of making choices. Any true believer would understand that it's the choices we make to become saved, and not a bunch of rules or regulations people, like them, setup. So, yeah, I'm with you on this one.

 

[mindfulzen]

I'm beginning to believe that they're nothing more than trolls because it doesn't make any sense what they're saying. No where in my posts I threw any personal insults at anyone nor believed everyone was against me, or anything of the sort. Heated arguments, yes, but nothing where I judged them as people. It's truly bizarre, imo, especially when it comes to the point of making choices. Any true believer would understand that it's the choices we make to become saved, and not a bunch of rules or regulations people, like them, setup. So, yeah, I'm with you on this one.

Children of the lie does this. They try to make it out, so your strong faith is classified falsely as hate. This is the persecution, and the classic marxismstrategy. Hijack words, redefine words, make truth verboten, put the truthspeakers in gulags, now in the endgame, it is digital gulags. Pay no attention to them when they go down that route. At that point, you are basically speaking to the devil, do not let it trick you. Your exposure will get limited if you keep arguing with baiters/goaders, who false report. So give them up when it is clear that they act in bad faith times two or five. That is what I do. And always word yourself clear, so the false reports can be appealed. And remember that if you are truthspeaking too hard, it will be shadowbanned on searchengines, by the BOTs who gather info nonstop, to tag the keywords so it should come up in searches. Word it so your comment does not end up on page 27 in searches for your nick, the topic, and a few other keywords from a tread. Dispassionate, non personal. Just throw out some lifeboats, do not drag them into the boats by force, up to them if they want to get saved or drown. Just make them awere and leave them be.

 

[herkamer63]

Children of the lie does this. They try to make it out, so your strong faith is classified falsely as hate. This is the persecution, and the classic marxismstrategy. Hijack words, redefine words, make truth verboten, put the truthspeakers in gulags, now in the endgame, it is digital gulags. Pay no attention to them when they go down that route. At that point, you are basically speaking to the devil, do not let it trick you. Your exposure will get limited if you keep arguing with baiters/goaders, who false report. So give them up when it is clear that they act in bad faith times two or five. That is what I do. And always word yourself clear, so the false reports can be appealed. And remember that if you are truthspeaking too hard, it will be shadowbanned on searchengines, by the BOTs who gather info nonstop, to tag the keywords so it should come up in searches. Word it so your comment does not end up on page 27 in searches for your nick, the topic, and a few other keywords from a tread. Dispassionate, non personal. Just throw out some lifeboats, do not drag them into the boats by force, up to them if they want to get saved or drown. Just make them awere and leave them be.

That's good advice and it's wise. Thanks, man! If you need me for anything, let me know.

 

[mindfulzen]

That's good advice and it's wise. Thanks, man! If you need me for anything, let me know.

Do a PM if you feel like it sometime. Can do project about joint blog, biblestudygroup, book of the week thing, or some zoomconferencething with some likeminded people, without all the attacks. Just discussing the books in the collective works that is the bible, or some other books about certain figures in the various books and the meaning of the faith. I am getting a bunch of books the following days that I ordered on sunday, I am very exited. I think I get a shipment tomorrow, and some waiting for me at a bookstore if not. Looking forward to a modernized bible of course, and doing it chronological with a guidebook, but also a book about pilgrimage in the footsteps of Frans of Assis. If you want to join that. 1 v 1, 1 v4 on a private forum bookclub thing, or here, with people arguing instead of conversating. Other than that, I could use some help on my blogsite, adding functionality and choosing which coding to use.I spent a few days trying to setup a couple of sites in 2 different coding setups, one with mostly modules/plugins that was kind of limited to make you pay, and the other one with sourcodes. So I do not know which to go with. Sourcecode and more work looked better, but ran into functionalityissues implementing features. The other one did not look good visual, bad layout, but functions worked kind of. I may finish one of them, and make it a bookreadingplace, if you want to just discuss some books or do private chats, without being called names. Working on that lead me to here, and I got distracted so never finished my blog. Could do this topic there freely, could do a bookreading jointly if you want. I have a bookthread here asking for suggestions for books, listed some of the ones I have ordered. If you want to discuss others, feel free to PM me a booksuggestion, and I will see if I find it tomorrow or the next day. And same to you, if you need you need me for anything, just PM. Do you do zoom, skype, or whatever is your form of communication? Tell me in the PM, I do not have those. Just have a blog and a messageboard, that is not functioning till I make it work, so I would need to know you before inviting you in there. Not a public forum, personal. Was for fun to learn, is now about biblestudy. Tell me the three most important books for salvation so I get to know you somewhat please.

 

[Lynx]

So you don't want to apologize, is what you're telling me? That's fine and I do forgive you because I believe, after some pondering, there's something else going on (and I think I know what it is, based on a particular section mentioned). In any case, tells me something about you're character: I don't believe you are who you say you are and your overly prideful.

To be honest, I wasn't expecting you to apologize because of these characteristics won't allow you to, which means you're letting your emotions dictate how to go about this spat.

All I did was give an opinion, based on my and people close to me experiences, and you jumped down my throat. The only thing I said that would be close to a put down was the questions asked are redundant, and I believe it to be true. So this rhetoric saying that I came in insulting everyone, saying that everyone is after me because of a persecution complex, and trolling others is simply not true. You're saying this to silence me because you didn't like my answer. That is censorship and bullying, which could get you banned, not me and I'll present my case to the administrators prove it.

But I won't report you, if it ever came down to that, because I believe everyone should have a voice, but with my opinion, it definitely shook you and may have taken as an insult because someone challenged the narrative some of you put out there. I didn't mean for it as an insult. Sorry but not sorry. Take it for what it's worth.

Oh, and, btw, I noticed you do what you're doing with me with others on this forum that you don't agree with, so even though I won't report you, don't be surprised if someone(s) else does. My advice, you might want to cut it out before whoever it is does so, assuming you want to stay on this site. Say what you want to the contrary, I would rather see you have an opinion, but to prod them into getting into an argument with you, in an attempt to make yourself look smarter, that could get you into bigger trouble than what it's worth.

And there it is, right on schedule, the understated threat to report me to the forum authorities. "I COULD report you, but I won't, but I probably should..."

I'm telling you dude, we have seen this whole dance play out so many times it's not even funny.

By the way have you checked out our Bible Discussion Forum yet? You talk so much like the people in that forum that I think you'll like it there.

 

[mindfulzen]

And there it is, right on schedule, the understated threat to report me to the forum authorities. "I COULD report you, but I won't, but I probably should..."

I'm telling you dude, we have seen this whole dance play out so many times it's not even funny.

By the way have you checked out our Bible Discussion Forum yet? You talk so much like the people in that forum that I think you'll like it there.

We should all report you, as you know if you have a heart and know it, but christians do not report. We endure. You are a test of faith, understand? You lead us to God, by being you. Thank you. Patience tested. Check

 

[Lynx]

Christians don't report? Wow, what is that "REPORT" button doing on a Christian forum? Man, this place must be chock-full of heresy!

Oh yeah, christians do indeed report. Only when it's warranted though. Nothing in this thread has required reporting.

 

[mindfulzen]

Christians don't report? Wow, what is that "REPORT" button doing on a Christian forum? Man, this place must be chock-full of heresy!

Oh yeah, christians do indeed report. Only when it's warranted though. Nothing in this thread has required reporting.

Basic, if you are reported, fake christians have done it. Good goading, will not report you ever. Have a nice life

 

[herkamer63]

And there it is, right on schedule, the understated threat to report me to the forum authorities. "I COULD report you, but I won't, but I probably should..."

I'm telling you dude, we have seen this whole dance play out so many times it's not even funny.

By the way have you checked out our Bible Discussion Forum yet? You talk so much like the people in that forum that I think you'll like it there.

Once again, you're proving my suspicions to be correct as well: you're putting words in my mouth and distorting what I'm getting at. It's no surprise because you can't name a single thing I actually said that's evil and have asked multiple times, so you have to make up something to paint me in a negative light.

And, no, true Christians would not want to silence others. In this case, report others because someone said something we don't like. You talk about how if I say the wrong thing, I'll get banned. So far, it hasn't happened because I haven't said anything bad, just opinions. Have a better day

 

[herkamer63]

Do a PM if you feel like it sometime. Can do project about joint blog, biblestudygroup, book of the week thing, or some zoomconferencething with some likeminded people, without all the attacks. Just discussing the books in the collective works that is the bible, or some other books about certain figures in the various books and the meaning of the faith. I am getting a bunch of books the following days that I ordered on sunday, I am very exited. I think I get a shipment tomorrow, and some waiting for me at a bookstore if not. Looking forward to a modernized bible of course, and doing it chronological with a guidebook, but also a book about pilgrimage in the footsteps of Frans of Assis. If you want to join that. 1 v 1, 1 v4 on a private forum bookclub thing, or here, with people arguing instead of conversating. Other than that, I could use some help on my blogsite, adding functionality and choosing which coding to use.I spent a few days trying to setup a couple of sites in 2 different coding setups, one with mostly modules/plugins that was kind of limited to make you pay, and the other one with sourcodes. So I do not know which to go with. Sourcecode and more work looked better, but ran into functionalityissues implementing features. The other one did not look good visual, bad layout, but functions worked kind of. I may finish one of them, and make it a bookreadingplace, if you want to just discuss some books or do private chats, without being called names. Working on that lead me to here, and I got distracted so never finished my blog. Could do this topic there freely, could do a bookreading jointly if you want. I have a bookthread here asking for suggestions for books, listed some of the ones I have ordered. If you want to discuss others, feel free to PM me a booksuggestion, and I will see if I find it tomorrow or the next day. And same to you, if you need you need me for anything, just PM. Do you do zoom, skype, or whatever is your form of communication? Tell me in the PM, I do not have those. Just have a blog and a messageboard, that is not functioning till I make it work, so I would need to know you before inviting you in there. Not a public forum, personal. Was for fun to learn, is now about biblestudy. Tell me the three most important books for salvation so I get to know you somewhat please.

I may have to take you up on that. The 3 books, I believe, are important are Genesis, Daniel, and Matthew. If I get some time, I'll shoot you a message on the call.

 

[Lynx]

Once again, you're proving my suspicions to be correct as well: you're putting words in my mouth and distorting what I'm getting at. It's no surprise because you can't name a single thing I actually said that's evil and have asked multiple times, so you have to make up something to paint me in a negative light.

And, no, true Christians would not want to silence others. In this case, report others because someone said something we don't like. You talk about how if I say the wrong thing, I'll get banned. So far, it hasn't happened because I haven't said anything bad, just opinions. Have a better day

YOU started talking about reporting people. Who's the true Christian again?

This is so old that I knew the last three posts I would make before I read your posts I would be replying to. I KNEW WHAT YOU WERE GOING TO SAY BEFORE YOU SAID IT, and knew what I would say in reply! Not the exact words of course, but I knew what the general theme of your posts would be.

Have I mentioned how much we have seen this same thing over and over and over? Sometimes I almost wish you people would just do something totally insane, just to break up the monotony.

 

[MatthewWestfieldUK]

Humbleness and compassion are the bedrock of the path