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What percenter are you?
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jennymae
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That poll, does it mean "you" as in you, or "you" as in yall? Because I'm not sure if you're asking for a household income or a personal income
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Tintin
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I believe the figures are based on 'individual' but I'm considering it as 'y'all'That poll, does it mean "you" as in you, or "you" as in yall? Because I'm not sure if you're asking for a household income or a personal income
A married couple are one flesh according to God so I see them as one. But I see their income as one as well. If he makes 20k and she makes 10k then I would figure that as one the household makes 30k. Is that a reasonable assumption?
Teachers are paid via taxes. All that money that is not being used to support living wage jobs is also not supporting the tax base. If companies paid taxes on the dollars they earned how many more teachers do you think they'd be able to hire? Would more teachers make smaller class sizes? Would smaller class sizes help students learn better? Hey you, applauding GE's deft dodge at paying taxes. You're supporting corporate industry to help your kids stay stupid. But hey that's their right?
How about that Mobius strip trip to the guilt pin?
But really, you applaud GE's ability to dodge taxes and you deny TinTin of the job he needs to give your kids the education they need to see thru GE's largess. Which you evidently can't do.
I make at least 28k (converted to USD) but I live here in Singapore where cost of living and education are both ridiculously expensive for a foreigner like me.
Brother Tin, my heart (and prayers) go out to you.
Hang in there, the Lord is never late.
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Tintin
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As Gandalf the Grey says, “God is never late, nor is he early, he arrives precisely when he means to.”
Thank you, dear brother.
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Oh, man! You're just showing off now. lollove your post Joi,
please try and not to get jealous, but I got a $1.00 raise where I live!!!
Would you engage in the investment, the work, and the risk of operating a company if you only made 50k a year out of it? No, you would go work for someone else who HAS made that sort of investment in creating a place for you to find a job.
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That's basic self interest. I did get a job from a poor man once, but he had no work, so I never got paid. Because of that, I leaned toward jobs from rich people after that.
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Again, it's the "workers are paid" part that most workers are willing to accept the rest. Workers are very into getting paid.
Without the rich, none of us would have jobs. None of us! And think how bad off all the "Entitlement People" would be if they had no one from whom to siphon their own living expenses? That "free" money they live off doesn't grow on trees. Without rich people creating the jobs we work to make the tax money the leaches of society sponge, they would be up the creek without a paddle.
A lesson in economics using bee.r
Here's another one of those spam emails that say something cute, or important, or idiotic. I enjoyed this one, it explains in simple terms the injustice of the graduated tax system. I'm sure some people will complain that it oversimplifies and that the analogy breaks down or doesn't fit, but I think its simple presentation fits VERY well. Graduated taxes penalize the successful, and that is essentially unjust. When we all get a tax reduction, it is entirely fair that those who PAID more get a bigger benefit from cuts. Those who argue otherwise are using Marxist ethics which are BANKRUPT and ethically and morally WRONG. You know, wicked, evil, bad for humanity. Really.
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Suppose that every day, 10 men go out for beer and the bill for all 10 comes to $100. If they paid their bill the way we pay our taxes, it would go something like this:
The first 4 men (the poorest) would pay nothing.
The fifth would pay $1.
The sixth would pay $3.
The seventh would pay $7.
The eighth would pay $12.
The ninth would pay $18.
The tenth man (the richest) would pay $59.
So, that's what they decided to do. The 10 men drank in the bar every day & seemed quite happy with the arrangement, until one day, the owner threw them a curve. 'Since you are all such good customers, he said, 'I'm going to reduce the cost of your daily beer by $20. Drinks for the 10 now cost just $80.
The group still wanted to pay their bill the way we pay our taxes so the first 4 men were unaffected. They would still drink for free. But what about the other 6 men - the paying customers? How could they divide the $20 windfall so that everyone would get his 'fair share?' They realized that $20 divided by 6 is $3.33. But if they subtracted that from everybody's share, then the fifth man & the sixth man would each end up being paid to drink his beer. So, the bar owner suggested that it would be fair to reduce each man's bill by roughly the same amount, & he proceeded to work out the amounts each should pay.
And so:
The fifth man, like the first 4, now paid nothing (100% savings).
The sixth now paid $2 instead of $3 (33%savings).
The seventh now paid $5 instead of $7 (28%savings).
The eighth now paid $9 instead of $12 (25% savings).
The ninth now paid $14 instead of $18 (22% savings).
The tenth now paid $49 instead of $59 (16% savings).
Each of the 6 was better off than before. And the first four continued to drink for free. But once outside the restaurant, the men began to compare their savings.
'I only got a dollar out of the $20', declared the sixth man. He pointed to the tenth man,' but he got $10!'
'Yeah, that's right', exclaimed the fifth man. 'I only saved a dollar, too. It's unfair that he got 10 times more than me!'
'That's true!!' shouted the seventh man. Why should he get $10 back when I got only 2? The wealthy get all the breaks!'
'Wait a minute,' yelled the first 4 men in unison. 'We didn't get anything at all. The system exploits the poor!'
The 9 men surrounded the tenth and beat him up. The next night the tenth man didn't show up for drinks, so the 9 sat down & had beers without him. But when it came time to pay the bill they discovered something important. They didn't have enough money between all of them for even 1/2 of the bill!
That, boys & girls, journalists & college professors, is how our tax system works. The people who pay the highest taxes get the most benefit from a tax reduction. Tax them too much, attack them for being wealthy & they just may not show up anymore. In fact, they might start drinking overseas where the atmosphere is somewhat friendlier.
David R. Kamerschen, Ph.D.
Professor of Economics, University of Georgia
For those who understand, no explanation is needed.
For those who do not understand, no explanation is possible.
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NewWine
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Teachers are paid via taxes. All that money that is not being used to support living wage jobs is also not supporting the tax base. If companies paid taxes on the dollars they earned how many more teachers do you think they'd be able to hire? Would more teachers make smaller class sizes? Would smaller class sizes help students learn better? Hey you, applauding GE's deft dodge at paying taxes. You're supporting corporate industry to help your kids stay stupid. But hey that's their right?
How about that Mobius strip trip to the guilt pin?
But really, you applaud GE's ability to dodge taxes and you deny TinTin of the job he needs to give your kids the education they need to see thru GE's largess. Which you evidently can't do.
You had me until you said this: "You're supporting corporate industry to help your kids stay stupid." and while you're entitled to your opinion, it's not the government's job to educate my children. God entrusted me with those children and entrusted me with their educations. Public or private schools are simply one tool to complete the job, not the end all be all of education! It's a PARENT'S job to educated children, not the schools'.
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What's stopping you from starting your own business?
The truth of the matter is the greedier government gets the greedier businesses get.
A perfect example of this was the cause of the 2007 meltdown/recession that has not gone away. Clinton's cabinet decided everyone deserves a house, so they forced banks to give mortgages at subprime rates. What was the obvious problem with that? They sold houses to people who couldn't afford them. Greedy people bought them. Foreclosures. Banks lost money. Banks don't like to lose money, so they created new "revenue streams." New revenue streams included passing around bad mortgages; i.e. buying and selling mortgages in hopes enough of them were profitable to offset the ones that would cost them. Sort of like a game of musical chairs. The one left holding the bag when the bubble popped ended up seeking government handouts, which the government did give to two auto manufacturers for screwing their workers. The government paid many companies to fail because the government failed the people.
So, what did we do about it? Hired more incompetence TWICE to fix the problem. Businesses learn to ride the surf while people look to an incompetent government to fix the problems totally unaware it was the government that caused the problem.
Anyone who can figure out how to make money when the government keeps making ridiculous laws to stop a business from doing anything but handing over their money to the government deserves good pay. Anyone who is totally unaware what's going on, deserves whatever they get.
At least be aware that we're being screwed out of apathy to what our government is doing to us -- and that includes choosing Trump in now.
I'm not being screwed by a rich CEO only because the federal government doesn't have a CEO. If you don't like what's going on, start your own business. Being jealous of other's wealth is serving money too.
(BTW, food is more than a day's wages anymore. lol)
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kaylagrl
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According to stats I saw one day,if you're talking globally,if you are American you are the 1%.
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Actually, that you don't know how to live on less says more about you than business. Businesses learn how to prepare for rainy days. The poor already know how to live on less. And healthcare? Again! THE GOVERNMENT DID THAT TO US! And yet you're blaming business.
(I do get a kick how you assume the poor's problem is food and medication though. Two things we can get if we can't afford anything else. But what medication if you can't afford the doctor first? The government did that to us too.)
What would Jesus do? Well, he sure didn't complain it's someone else's problem. And he didn't complain that someone else needs to solve the problem.