WHAT REALLY HAPPENED IN THE GARDEN?

[Mem]

It was not commanded that way for humans but there were only 8, 4 pairs of man and woman so still two by two anyways.

Yet they didn't board two by two, the women boarded, and disembarked, behind the men. That was what I meant to point toward.

 

[ewq1938]

Yet they didn't board two by two, the women boarded, and disembarked, behind the men.

It doesn't say that.

 

[Mem]

It doesn't say that.

It says Noah and his sons and Noah's wife and his son's wives. It doesn't Noah and his wife and...
The men walked together, and the women walked together.

 

[Magenta]

God told Noah to take two of every flesh...that included Kenites.

Two each of unclean animals and seven pairs each of clean animals. Not humans.

 

[Mem]

Jesus restored honor to women even if the men didn't like that idea.
A group of women were first to see He had risen and a woman was the first to see Him risen in Person. But nobody expects women to be put 'in the lead' because of that.

 

[Magenta]

It says Noah and his sons and Noah's wife and his son's wives. It doesn't Noah and his wife and...
The men walked together, and the women walked together.

Noah and his wife, with his sons and their wives, entered the ark to escape the waters of the flood. Gen 7 v 6

 

[Randy4u2c]

Genesis 7:18—The sons of Noah who went out from the ship were Shem, Ham, and Japheth. Ham is the father of Canaan. These three were the sons of Noah, and from these the whole earth was populated.
24—Noah awoke from his wine, and knew what his youngest son had done to him. He said,
“Canaan is cursed.
He will be a servant of servants to his brothers.”
He said,
“Blessed be the LORD, the God of Shem.
Let Canaan be his servant.
May God enlarge Japheth.
Let him dwell in the tents of Shem.
Let Canaan be his servant.”

Why were the kenites good to Israel if they're the whole genetic lineage of pure evil?

You know what it's like to want to lie & make yourself look good over choosing the truth. I believe you know that everyone has two battles in their conscious over choosing right & wrong. Whether I give in to the evil or choose the good, what makes that not the only difference between being a corrupt tree and being a good one?

Noah's family were the direct descendants of Adam in an unpolluted genealogy that did not mix with the sons of God (fallen angels) of Gen 6:1-2 and were of one race. It is through this family's seed line that Christ would be born. In Gen 6:19 God instructed Noah of all flesh to take two of every sort. This would include all those people created on the 6th day in Gen 1:26-28. All the races of the world could not have possibly come from one single race.

Noah's curse on Canaan was the result of Ham laying with his mother, (Noah's wife). It is taught that this curse is what brought on the different races of the world. Not so. Two people of the same race can not create all the races of the world. God created them the way they are. Noah's curse was on Canaan and had nothing to do with the races of the world. The Kenites knew that God's blessing were bestowed on the children of Adam so they sucked up to them to partake in those blessings and continue to do so to this day.

 

[Randy4u2c]

As most false doctrine does, this one starts with a misrepresentation of God's words. Unfortunately, just as Eve bought the lie told to her, you've bought the lie told to you.


Um, no. God was telling the woman the consequences for eating, just as He told the man the consequences for eating.

God was telling Eve the consequences for laying with Satan. Eating fruit isn't a sin.

 

[Magenta]

God was telling Eve the consequences for laying with Satan. Eating fruit isn't a sin.

I see you are banned. Again. Bye!

PS~ If God says, do not eat, no matter what it is, eating it is a sin.

 

[Mem]

Noah and his wife, with his sons and their wives, entered the ark to escape the waters of the flood. Gen 7 v 6

It's Genesis 7:7
The Berean Standard Bible is written the way you wrote it but just about every other translation agrees with how I showed it.

 

[tablet123]

Gen 3:6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.
Gen 3:7 And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.
Gen 3:11 And he said, Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat?
Gen 3:12 And the man said, The woman whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat.
Gen 3:13 And the LORD God said unto the woman, What is this that thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat.

Eve did not have a child by the devil.

The enmity between the woman and the serpent is the righteous and the wicked because when they ate of the tree they had a choice between good and evil.

The sin of Adam and Eve was eating of the tree that God told them not to eat.

Cain committed a sin because of that choice not because he was a child of the devil.

Good and evil did not come about for mankind to be good and evil because Eve was impregnated by Satan having twins representing both sides.

But it came about because it was the tree of good and evil which they now had a choice to determine their fate.

So all of their offspring has a choice which some people will choose to follow the truth and some people will not.

Gen 4:1 And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD.

The Bible states Adam knew his wife and she conceived, and bare Cain.

So Cain came from Adam.

Also Eve said concerning Cain that she had a child from the LORD.

Both Cain and Abel came from Adam.

Gen 4:6 And the LORD said unto Cain, Why art thou wroth? and why is thy countenance fallen?
Gen 4:7 If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.

God said if Cain did right he will be accepted not that he will automatically do evil with no choice.

Cain had a choice and he chose to sin.

Gen 4:15 And the LORD said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the LORD set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him.

Some people believe the mark on Cain was black skin so the black people are cursed which is ridiculous.

Cain went off on his own and the bloodline came from Seth so all of Cain's people would have been wiped out in the flood.

Also the different ethnic groups did not occur until after the flood when Noah's 3 sons populated the earth.

Gen 10:32 These are the families of the sons of Noah, after their generations, in their nations: and by these were the nations divided in the earth after the flood.

Gen 11:1 And the whole earth was of one language, and of one speech.
Gen 11:6 And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do.
Gen 11:7 Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech.
Gen 11:8 So the LORD scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth: and they left off to build the city.

I do not believe the different ethnic groups came about until after the flood.

 

[KeithAB]

Do you just ban people because they may have a different view on things or study with a cetin church or denomination? I know nothing about Randy 4u2c. I do not get everything he was saying but there is more to what happened in the garden than a talking snake and an apple. I have never seen or heard of a talking snake; and if eating a apple is a sin I am in trouble, I love homemade apple pie and ice cream

 

[Dino246]

Do you just ban people because they may have a different view on things or study with a cetin church or denomination? I know nothing about Randy 4u2c. I do not get everything he was saying but there is more to what happened in the garden than a talking snake and an apple. I have never seen or heard of a talking snake; and if eating a apple is a sin I am in trouble, I love homemade apple pie and ice cream

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[YitzhakStern]

If I may, you all can also read the book of Yasher, is a historical book of our people and it may help you clarify some of the questions you have from the book of Bereshit, Genesis, also the interpretation of Rashi of the law can give you more insight. Good day to you all. Shalom!

 

[PennEd]

I realized that not many noticed Noah's 'failure' in the flood account. He was told that he should board each pair of animals 'two by two' and he listened perfectly in that case, but he failure to follow God's instruction when it came to man and wife. They neither boarded nor disembarked 'two by two'. Genesis 7:7 and, even with God's reminder Genesis 8:15, Noah reverted back to 'the old way' and it with him into the 'new beginning.' Noah left the wives (and the fate of all subsequent women of association) 'behind' in Genesis 8:18.

This is a bizarre interpretation for what is really a nothingburger issue.

Without even digging too deep, the instructions were for ANIMALS.

Surely you are not suggesting animals and humans are equivalent, OR, that humans are animals?

 

[Mem]

This is a bizarre interpretation for what is really a nothingburger issue.

Without even digging too deep, the instructions were for ANIMALS.

Surely you are not suggesting animals and humans are equivalent, OR, that humans are animals?

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What I do suggest is that humans are expected to rise above the animals.

 

[Magenta]

It's Genesis 7:7
The Berean Standard Bible is written the way you wrote it but just about every other translation agrees with how I showed it.

Aye, my apologies for the wrong verse citation. Yes, you are correct, a few do have Noah going in with
his wife, but the majority of others say Noah and his sons, and then have his wife and his sons' wives,
entering the ark. I wonder why they would change such a thing?

 

[ewq1938]

This is a bizarre interpretation for what is really a nothingburger issue.

Without even digging too deep, the instructions were for ANIMALS.

Surely you are not suggesting animals and humans are equivalent, OR, that humans are animals?

Humans are animals. We have souls that will exist in the next world while other animals do not.

 

[Mem]

Aye, my apologies for the wrong verse citation. Yes, you are correct, a few do have Noah going in with
his wife, but the majority of others say Noah and his sons, and then have his wife and his sons' wives,
entering the ark. I wonder why they would change such a thing?

I'm assuming on the assumption that Noah followed the LORD's direction to the t, which was given in Genesis 8:16 in that order of Noah and his wife, and his sons and his sons wives.