Whatever people say the mark of the beast is: its a lie.

[Melach]

Sounds like too many people in this thread are relying on Hal Lindsay and Tim LaHaye, rather than the Holy Spirit for interpretation and inspiration.

So much utter speculation and madness in this thread. As usual!

tell us the truth then

 

[iamsoandso]

LOL Ok what's AD584 ? A direct line to God, which one the god of signs and wonders?? Aluminum foil hat included.

lol, it's a pun garee,,, I guess you have had so many people trying to convince you that the r.f.i.d. is the mark that it has become second nature for you to mention it(in defense). If you look back at anything I have posted to you in this thread or others you will see that I have never said an r.f.i.d. was the mark.

An AD584 is a device(chip) that can be used to adjust electronic test instruments(cheap multi-testers). If you buy 5 multi-meter's at a store and unpack them and test the wall plugs you'll get a different reading from each of them and so which one is correct? With an AD584(or something similar) https://www.ebay.com/i/281989343069?chn=ps you can tell the multi-meter what is correct(calibrate the meter)...

 

[iamsoandso]

Christ will come as a thief in the night. We have the privilege to watch as Noah, but like Noah He will come like a thief in the twinkling of the eye .

2/3 .666 a reoccurring theme is used that way throughout the scripture as a line to divide the goats (666.... unbelievers) from the lambs (777) .

It would seem to be used as a dividing line with the angels also. 1/3 (.666) fell when Christ said it is finished .Or .666 of the three groups of 50 false prophets sent in respect to Elijah . Three it seems being used to represent the end of the matter in many places. The last group of fifty (fifty in respect to five is used to represent redemption) those God had mercy on a parable below to represent the gospel.

And he sent again a captain of the third fifty with his fifty. And the third captain of fifty went up, and came and fell on his knees before Elijah, and besought him, and said unto him, O man of God, I pray thee, let my life, and the life of these fifty thy servants, be precious in thy sight. Behold, there came fire down from heaven, and burnt up the two captains of the former fifties with their fifties: therefore let my life now be precious in thy sight.1 Kings 1:

Or again when David smote Moab again to represent the gospel ,

2 Samuel 8:2 And he smote Moab, and measured them with a line, casting them down to the ground; even with two lines measured he to put to death, and with one full line to keep alive. And so the Moabites became David's servants, and brought gifts.

lol, I find it odd we are now five pages into a thread about the mark and the only time the word "temple" has been mentioned was by me a few pages back. The only way the temple can be polluted is for God the Almighty to see it as a valid temple he dwells in(we are the temple of God) not one of stone and wood. If they build one of stone and wood it surly would be in a place it ought not be.

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

lol, I find it odd we are now five pages into a thread about the mark and the only time the word "temple" has been mentioned was by me a few pages back. The only way the temple can be polluted is for God the Almighty to see it as a valid temple he dwells in(we are the temple of God) not one of stone and wood. If they build one of stone and wood it surly would be in a place it ought not be.

I cannot remember if it was you I had discussed this with awhile back, when I'd pointed out how the definite article ('the') is not used when it ('temple') is referring to us (the Church which is His body); and that Rev11:1 clearly distinguishes between "the temple of God" and the "THEY that worship THEREIN" (as distinct entities, if you will)

 

[iamsoandso]

I cannot remember if it was you I had discussed this with awhile back, when I'd pointed out how the definite article ('the') is not used when it ('temple') is referring to us (the Church which is His body); and that Rev11:1 clearly distinguishes between "the temple of God" and the "THEY that worship THEREIN" (as distinct entities, if you will)

Yes we have spoken of this before. My reference is to the temple the Branch builds https://biblehub.com/interlinear/zechariah/6-12.htm (hekal et) would denote the temple,, are you speaking of Greek,Hebrew or both?

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

TheDivineWatermark said:
I cannot remember if it was you I had discussed this with awhile back, when I'd pointed out how the definite article ('the') is not used when it ('temple') is referring to us (the Church which is His body); and […]

Yes we have spoken of this before. My reference is to the temple the Branch builds https://biblehub.com/interlinear/zechariah/6-12.htm (hekal et) would denote the temple,, are you speaking of Greek,Hebrew or both?

I'm referring to the Greek, like here (for example)… no definite article "the" (when referring to us/'the Church which is His body'):

"temple" -

--1Cor6:19 - https://biblehub.com/text/1_corinthians/6-19.htm

--2Cor6:16 - https://biblehub.com/text/2_corinthians/6-16.htm [especially here]

 

[iamsoandso]

I'm referring to the Greek, like here (for example)… no definite article "the" (when referring to us/'the Church which is His body'):

"temple" -

--1Cor6:19 - https://biblehub.com/text/1_corinthians/6-19.htm

--2Cor6:16 - https://biblehub.com/text/2_corinthians/6-16.htm [especially here]

And Paul is quoting Ezekiel https://biblehub.com/interlinear/ezekiel/37-27.htm why would Paul refer to this if he thought we were not being compared to Ezekiel 37:27?

 

[crossnote]

I'm not really saying anything of myself as you observed: good observation. You may say its a warning not to ad to the word on a rabbit trail, and overlook the obvious that is written. "Let no one turn you away from the simplicity of Christ."

Sometimes things aren't so simple or obvious but takes wisdom from God and a bit of grey matter to figure them out. Such as...

At the beginning of your pleas for mercy a word went out, and I have come to tell it to you, for you are greatly loved. Therefore consider the word and understand the vision. (Dan 9:23)
“Seventy weeks are decreed about your people and your holy city, to finish the transgression, to put an end to sin, and to atone for iniquity, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal both vision and prophet, and to anoint a most holy place. (Dan 9:24)
Know therefore and understand that from the going out of the word to restore and build Jerusalem to the coming of an anointed one, a prince, there shall be seven weeks. Then for sixty-two weeks it shall be built again with squares and moat, but in a troubled time. (Dan 9:25)
And after the sixty-two weeks, an anointed one shall be cut off and shall have nothing. And the people of the prince who is to come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary. Its end shall come with a flood, and to the end there shall be war. Desolations are decreed. (Dan 9:26)
And he shall make a strong covenant with many for one week, and for half of the week he shall put an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing of abominations shall come one who makes desolate, until the decreed end is poured out on the desolator.” (Dan 9:27)

Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six. (Rev 13:18)

 

[iamsoandso]

lol,, yep and Daniel 10:21 I always gave that verse a long look. You would think angels in heaven would just know everything but "holdeth with me in these things" would seem to mean that Michael and Gabriel(I suppose) were the only ones who could understand this of the other angels. 1 Peter 1:12 is referencing this I think.

 

[Absolutely]

He always seems polite,,I suppose him to be reading about this and trying to understand it as well as he can like the rest of us. We all seem to have different Ideas about it and I might see ones Ideas as a little shy, but mine own what if I understand this,this and this but I am a little incorrect in that? I think if I look in a critical manner at others opinions then mine own also should be included in the lot,lol.

I mean no offense in this to anyone. We could and basically do post one after the other and say what we see Scriptures as meaning. We fill up thread after thread and at the end of the day none of us agree on every detail. At first I saw this in great fear because I thought I myself had missed the point or something like in https://biblehub.com/interlinear/2_thessalonians/2.htm ....

From verse 13 onward Paul comforts the Thessalonians even though as it seems they thought the day of the Lord was then present. I see that as a great comfort in that Paul ,an Apostle knew that the Thessalonians did not understand the very things we speak of and still saw them as chosen,in the sanctification of the Spirit by faith of the truth and Paul/we thanked God always for them. So not understanding this did not set them away as outsiders according to the Scriptures.

We in general only debate Thess. in debates of rapture,second coming ect. so I thought to touch the comfort in it in that they were seen as beloved although they did not understand eschatology...

Since we are a body,i believe no one man has the complete revelation of end times. No matter who expounds on eschatology, the word is always held against it as a standard. IOW we need each others revelation.

I usually don't let anyone know what my specific revelation is, because much of what i discuss is why this or that is not even possible,so we really don't get down to letting building blocks take us into productive discussion.
Conversely i kinda enjoy being challenged.
I am unsure of your position,but it seems we agree on most things

 

[Absolutely]

One thing the masses fail to see is that one would hide in the woods,in the mountains or the other side of the planet to avoid receiving the mark of the beast but the "Name Of The Father" they will line up to receive,,,the deception is in them believing themselves to be in the Fathers line and being in the line of the one who claims he is God and is not. You see they will believe they are receiving the name of the Father and will do so wilfully...

We see this very thing with democrats.
They think they are being given truth.
They really think they are doing the country great favor and goodness in hating and doing violence to conservatives.
We are right at the door. Half the country is duped and deceived.

 

[Absolutely]

lol, it's a pun garee,,, I guess you have had so many people trying to convince you that the r.f.i.d. is the mark that it has become second nature for you to mention it(in defense). If you look back at anything I have posted to you in this thread or others you will see that I have never said an r.f.i.d. was the mark.

An AD584 is a device(chip) that can be used to adjust electronic test instruments(cheap multi-testers). If you buy 5 multi-meter's at a store and unpack them and test the wall plugs you'll get a different reading from each of them and so which one is correct? With an AD584(or something similar) https://www.ebay.com/i/281989343069?chn=ps you can tell the multi-meter what is correct(calibrate the meter)...

Oh man,did i ever get a belly laugh outta that.

 

[Absolutely]

lol, I find it odd we are now five pages into a thread about the mark and the only time the word "temple" has been mentioned was by me a few pages back. The only way the temple can be polluted is for God the Almighty to see it as a valid temple he dwells in(we are the temple of God) not one of stone and wood. If they build one of stone and wood it surly would be in a place it ought not be.

What do you mean when you say "valid" and "they"?

 

[maxwel]

My Theory:

I have a theory that the mark of the beast is actually the OP of this thread.
He brought this whole thing up just so we wouldn't suspect him.

How can he be the mark?

The mark will be in your hand, and if you take it, you cannot buy or sell.
So... he's going to sit on your hands, and then you can't reach your wallet, and so you can't buy or sell.

That's my theory:
the mark of the beast is the OP, and he's here covertly to confuse and cover his tracks, but secretly he just wants to sit on your hands so you can't go shopping.

.

 

[iamsoandso]

What do you mean when you say "valid" and "they"?

If you,me the Church are the temple of God(the temple the Branch built,Zechariah 6:12-13) then we are the valid temple of God and the Holy Spirit dwells in us. He doesn't dwell in an house made of wood and stone we received the Holy Spirit into us ,Christ in you.

 

[iamsoandso]

We see this very thing with democrats.
they think they are being given truth.
They really think they are doing the country great favor and goodness in hating and doing violence to conservatives.
We are right at the door. Half the country is duped and deceived.

When they receive the mark of the beast they will believe they are being sealed with the name of the Father and that the man of lawlessness is our Lord returned,,,that is he will lead them to think so.

 

[iamsoandso]

Since we are a body,i believe no one man has the complete revelation of end times. No matter who expounds on eschatology, the word is always held against it as a standard. IOW we need each others revelation.

I usually don't let anyone know what my specific revelation is, because much of what i discuss is why this or that is not even possible,so we really don't get down to letting building blocks take us into productive discussion.
Conversely i kinda enjoy being challenged.
I am unsure of your position,but it seems we agree on most things

lol, It's an odd thing I notice in that everyone is by nature true to their beliefs. One believes be is saved and rest while another says the Lord is their savior and pulls their hair out trying to get saved. In the same only those who have not been sealed seek after an name in their front-let.

 

[Absolutely]

lol, It's an odd thing I notice in that everyone is by nature true to their beliefs. One believes be is saved and rest while another says the Lord is their savior and pulls their hair out trying to get saved. In the same only those who have not been sealed seek after an name in their front-let.

Yes,the believers rest. Heb 3&4.
I understand what you are saying about sealed. And it seems to me,those sealed ones appear to go through the heavy trials.
The thing is,in a realm of faith,those trials transition into great and awesome victories.

 

[SimpleGardner]

Greetings, First post, so I will preface with a caveat, I read many posts, but not all, and if my post is redundant, my apologies. Regarding the "Mark" of the Beast...I am persuaded that it refers to the Social Security Number which now exists in all organized governments of the earth. It is illegal to drive, bank, borrow, work, etc, etc without one.

 

[Ahwatukee]

Greetings, First post, so I will preface with a caveat, I read many posts, but not all, and if my post is redundant, my apologies. Regarding the "Mark" of the Beast...I am persuaded that it refers to the Social Security Number which now exists in all organized governments of the earth. It is illegal to drive, bank, borrow, work, etc, etc without one.

Hello SimpleGardner,

The problem with that theory is that, our SSN does not go on our hand or forehead, which is what the scripture states where the mark will go. What it does have to do with, is the current electronic crediting and debiting system. As the world continues marching on towards being cashless, the technology for the mark will continue to evolve from card swiping and cell phone bank apps. etc., to another more applicable device/mark in preparation for the revealing of the beast. At that time, all other methods of buying and selling will be made obsolete leaving only that mark, which will force people to receive or reject it. Anyone not receiving it will not be able to buy or sell, i.e. will not be able to electronically credit or debit their bank accounts. Those who do receive it will suffer the consequences announced by the third angel in Rev.14.

Regarding the mark, we already have the technology as people are already being implanted under the skin of the hand with RFID chips, with one of its purposes being to make purchases (buying).