What's up with Legion's request to go into the herd of pigs?
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We also need to factor in that `pigs` were unclean to the people of Israel. Perhaps the owner was selling pig meat to the people of Israel and the Lord judged his actions.
The pigs would have been terrified by the demons inside them and thus ran headlong, not knowing what they were doing.
But Jesus knew what would happen; out of the man and away from humans.
The pigs would have been terrified by the demons inside them and thus ran headlong, not knowing what they were doing.
But Jesus knew what would happen; out of the man and away from humans.
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The feral man of Mark 5:1-13 and Luke 8:26-33 was possessed by a
community of evil spirits who labeled themselves Legion; defined by Webster's
as a principal unit of the Roman army consisting of 3,000 to 6,000 foot soldiers
with cavalry.
The legion of spirits that Christ exorcised from the man went out and
possessed a herd of about 2,000 swine. That's a pretty good example of how
spirits take up no room in the physical world; nor do they crowd each other.
All 3,000-6,000 of those spirits managed to fit inside the bodily cargo area of
just that one man, indicating that spirits don't need space, they just need a
place.
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The feral man of Mark 5:1-13 and Luke 8:26-33 was possessed by a
community of evil spirits who labeled themselves Legion; defined by Webster's
as a principal unit of the Roman army consisting of 3,000 to 6,000 foot soldiers
with cavalry.
The legion of spirits that Christ exorcised from the man went out and
possessed a herd of about 2,000 swine. That's a pretty good example of how
spirits take up no room in the physical world; nor do they crowd each other.
All 3,000-6,000 of those spirits managed to fit inside the bodily cargo area of
just that one man, indicating that spirits don't need space, they just need a
place.
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Daniel 10:13 But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but, lo, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me; and I remained there with the kings of Persia.
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.
There is a difference between a demon and the spirit of a demon:
Luk 4:33 And in the synagogue there was a man, which had a spirit of an unclean devil, and cried out with a loud voice,
An evil spirit originates from a "demon" or "devil" which is likely a fallen angel. It is that "demon" which can send forth it's evil spirit to dwell within a person.
The KJV uses "devil" instead of demon. The Devil is satan, who is a fallen angel. Thus, all fallen angels are devils/demons.
Based on this verse, if a "demon" is cast out the writer means the spirit of the demon is cast out therefore in literary brevity the writer shortens the wording to "the demon was cast out" rather than the longer, "the spirit of the demon was cast out. Another common example of this is when scripture speaks of God the Father but just uses "God".
A demon/fallen angel can only possess a man using their spirit but they themselves cannot force their physical body into another physical body. Naturally that is impossible.
So, a demon/devil is a fallen angel just as satan, the devil, is a fallen angel. Any fallen angel has an evil spirit that can inhabit a person if there is a spiritual weakness for them to exploit.
Second witness:
Rev 16:13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
Here unclean spirits come out of these three.
Rev 16:14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
And here we are told they are spirits of devils/demons as opposed to devils/demons themselves so there is a clear distinction between a devil/demon and the spirit of a devil/demon.
Luk 4:33 And in the synagogue there was a man, which had a spirit of an unclean devil, and cried out with a loud voice,
An evil spirit originates from a "demon" or "devil" which is likely a fallen angel. It is that "demon" which can send forth it's evil spirit to dwell within a person.
The KJV uses "devil" instead of demon. The Devil is satan, who is a fallen angel. Thus, all fallen angels are devils/demons.
Based on this verse, if a "demon" is cast out the writer means the spirit of the demon is cast out therefore in literary brevity the writer shortens the wording to "the demon was cast out" rather than the longer, "the spirit of the demon was cast out. Another common example of this is when scripture speaks of God the Father but just uses "God".
A demon/fallen angel can only possess a man using their spirit but they themselves cannot force their physical body into another physical body. Naturally that is impossible.
So, a demon/devil is a fallen angel just as satan, the devil, is a fallen angel. Any fallen angel has an evil spirit that can inhabit a person if there is a spiritual weakness for them to exploit.
Second witness:
Rev 16:13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
Here unclean spirits come out of these three.
Rev 16:14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
And here we are told they are spirits of devils/demons as opposed to devils/demons themselves so there is a clear distinction between a devil/demon and the spirit of a devil/demon.
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what does this mean regarding what I said “
“Daniel 10:13 But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but, lo, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me; and I remained there with the kings of Persia.”
this in No way relates to what I had said because the prince of Persia , withstood the workings of an angel when he was coming to Daniel to deliver understanding of his vision ? I dont understand the connection at all in probably missing it but I am
Not making Any connection to this having to do with the topic I was discussing.
“For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.”
yep I agree with this …..demons or these evil spiritual forces fallen with Satan from heaven , corrupt men in this world and turn them against gods will. Fill us with evil desires and ideas through worldly lusts ect when we get entangled In Something eventually we’ve let this evil spirit take root in our life
I agree our war is spiritual with these folk
“And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. …..Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time. ….And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.”
Revelation 12:9, 12, 17 KJV
those corrupt spiritual heavenly powers in the world work through men in this world so you have the spiritual
“And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.
Revelation 12:3-
that’s the spiritual enemy who accomplished his Will in this world through men
“And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy. ….and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority. And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.”
Revelation 13:1-2, 7 KJV
the beast of course is made of men
“And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.
And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.”
Revelation 17:10, 12 KJV
spirit is part of the heavenly Unseen realm it works in this world only through a creature in this world. When Satan wanted to betray Jesus and tempt him at his suffering , he entered Judas. When he wanted to kill Jesus as a baby he worked through Herod , when he wanted to tempt and accuse Jesus in his ministry he worked through Pharisees and lawyers and preists when he wanted to humiliate and torture Jesus trying to break him , he worked through Romans
Satan and his angels are spiritual beings they are made for the spiritual realms of the heavens in this earth they have to operate through man corrupting mans mind and heart leading them into sin
there’s never going to be a dragon appearing or giant sea beast this is showing us the dragons war against the church on earth after Christ is ascended into heaven
he’s warring against the church through corrupting the other people in the world think about it
pharaoh , nebucadnezzar , xerxes ,Darius , Alexander the great , then into the Roman Empire with Nero and Titus persecution torture and decimation of the early church these things all happen through other men in the world even things like Hitler it comes through a corrupted mind of a man or men ideology and life theory religion ect
evil comes into the world through man
“And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
…The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence. And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth. And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.”
Genesis 6:5-6, 11-13
but it’s the spiritual roots of sin that has a hold on man spirit works through flesh either good or evil Satan worked through a serpent also
“Daniel 10:13 But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but, lo, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me; and I remained there with the kings of Persia.”
this in No way relates to what I had said because the prince of Persia , withstood the workings of an angel when he was coming to Daniel to deliver understanding of his vision ? I dont understand the connection at all in probably missing it but I am
Not making Any connection to this having to do with the topic I was discussing.
“For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.”
yep I agree with this …..demons or these evil spiritual forces fallen with Satan from heaven , corrupt men in this world and turn them against gods will. Fill us with evil desires and ideas through worldly lusts ect when we get entangled In Something eventually we’ve let this evil spirit take root in our life
I agree our war is spiritual with these folk
“And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. …..Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time. ….And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.”
Revelation 12:9, 12, 17 KJV
those corrupt spiritual heavenly powers in the world work through men in this world so you have the spiritual
“And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.
Revelation 12:3-
that’s the spiritual enemy who accomplished his Will in this world through men
“And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy. ….and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority. And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.”
Revelation 13:1-2, 7 KJV
the beast of course is made of men
“And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.
And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.”
Revelation 17:10, 12 KJV
spirit is part of the heavenly Unseen realm it works in this world only through a creature in this world. When Satan wanted to betray Jesus and tempt him at his suffering , he entered Judas. When he wanted to kill Jesus as a baby he worked through Herod , when he wanted to tempt and accuse Jesus in his ministry he worked through Pharisees and lawyers and preists when he wanted to humiliate and torture Jesus trying to break him , he worked through Romans
Satan and his angels are spiritual beings they are made for the spiritual realms of the heavens in this earth they have to operate through man corrupting mans mind and heart leading them into sin
there’s never going to be a dragon appearing or giant sea beast this is showing us the dragons war against the church on earth after Christ is ascended into heaven
he’s warring against the church through corrupting the other people in the world think about it
pharaoh , nebucadnezzar , xerxes ,Darius , Alexander the great , then into the Roman Empire with Nero and Titus persecution torture and decimation of the early church these things all happen through other men in the world even things like Hitler it comes through a corrupted mind of a man or men ideology and life theory religion ect
evil comes into the world through man
“And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
…The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence. And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth. And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.”
Genesis 6:5-6, 11-13
but it’s the spiritual roots of sin that has a hold on man spirit works through flesh either good or evil Satan worked through a serpent also
"The angels that sinned" is a smaller group of angels which sinned in going after human women and creating Nephilim before the Flood. They are currently imprisoned in Tartarus.
So there are actually three groups of evil angels: (1) the hierarchies which inhabit the atmosphere as noted in Ephesians 6, (2) the demonic spirits which inhabit the earth, some of which deceive people as false gods, and some of which are also within the abyss, and (3) "the angels which kept not their first estate" and are "chained" in Tartarus.
Satan is at the head of all these groups as "the prince of the power of the air" (ruling over the kingdom of darkness), and the first group is mentioned in Revelation 12, where "heaven" would mean the atmospheric heaven (which corresponds to "the air"). These are cast down to earth by Michael and his holy angels in Revelation 12. And it is possible that Revelation 12 is actually being fulfilled right now or will be very shortly. These same entities are presently appointed as "princes" over the kingdoms of the earth (as noted in Daniel), so a lot of what we see going on today is being orchestrated by invisible evil spirits.
Indeed Satan claimed to Christ that all the kingdoms of the world are in his hands (and this was not disputed). Transgenderism and the whole LBGQT movement is demonic and is now targeting very young children deliberately. It would not be a surprise if it was confirmed that some of the most evil men on earth today are either (a) demon possessed or (b) actual demons parading as humans. Thus there is constant warfare, hate-mongering, fear-mongering, and tyranny throughout the world.
So there are actually three groups of evil angels: (1) the hierarchies which inhabit the atmosphere as noted in Ephesians 6, (2) the demonic spirits which inhabit the earth, some of which deceive people as false gods, and some of which are also within the abyss, and (3) "the angels which kept not their first estate" and are "chained" in Tartarus.
Satan is at the head of all these groups as "the prince of the power of the air" (ruling over the kingdom of darkness), and the first group is mentioned in Revelation 12, where "heaven" would mean the atmospheric heaven (which corresponds to "the air"). These are cast down to earth by Michael and his holy angels in Revelation 12. And it is possible that Revelation 12 is actually being fulfilled right now or will be very shortly. These same entities are presently appointed as "princes" over the kingdoms of the earth (as noted in Daniel), so a lot of what we see going on today is being orchestrated by invisible evil spirits.
Indeed Satan claimed to Christ that all the kingdoms of the world are in his hands (and this was not disputed). Transgenderism and the whole LBGQT movement is demonic and is now targeting very young children deliberately. It would not be a surprise if it was confirmed that some of the most evil men on earth today are either (a) demon possessed or (b) actual demons parading as humans. Thus there is constant warfare, hate-mongering, fear-mongering, and tyranny throughout the world.
So you asked why this happened, and that man was possessed by Legion and controlled him to saw Jesus.
I gave a reasonable explanation.
Because let go of the possibility that Legion want to be possessed to others and jump off the cliff with the pigs themselves, because Legion can control human also control pigs.
Legion didn't want to control a man to jump off a cliff and drown.Legion didn't want to cast into Bottom hole.
Holmes said he ruled out all possibilities,The most unlikely is the truth.
Legion wanted to get into the pig and jump into the water to baptism and repent until drown.
I gave a reasonable explanation.
Because let go of the possibility that Legion want to be possessed to others and jump off the cliff with the pigs themselves, because Legion can control human also control pigs.
Legion didn't want to control a man to jump off a cliff and drown.Legion didn't want to cast into Bottom hole.
Holmes said he ruled out all possibilities,The most unlikely is the truth.
Legion wanted to get into the pig and jump into the water to baptism and repent until drown.