I apologize for saying you were not a complete Saducee in your position on angels, etc. Do you forgive me?
First of all, I did not WANT an apology for the "Sadducee" comment. I already stated that. I said I was interested in what you said AFTERWARDS. So...giving someone something they have previously specifically said they don't want...feels almost like an imposition, to be honest and frank.
It's a bit like slapping someone, then apologizing for having a hand. I don't mind you having a hand. I don't mind if you view me as an apostate. You SHOULD view me as an apostate...if you're going to be consistent with the implications and indications of Pentecostal doctrines. You are ABSOLUTELY entitled to your view that I am a "partial" apostate.
So...I "forgave" the matter the very moment it happened, you can rest assured. To me, the intended effect of 'name-calling' is perfectly self-canceling (if your intention was merely gratuitous name-calling). The name-caller has instantly discredited himself...at least in the moments of his name-calling. For me, there is no harm and no foul...particularly since there may very well be a sincere
belief behind your labeling me in this way.
BUT...what WAS of interest to me...simply as a matter of intellectual and philosophical integrity...was how you began to twist, tweak, evade and massage the simple facts of your statement...AFTER the fact. That is the ONLY thing I was interested in. That is the ONLY thing I was talking about. So...yet again, there is a slight sidestepping going on right now. A slight dodging.
I'm not angry in the least. I'm over all of it at this point. I'm just giving you my observation.
And so this is where I would assert that your wriggling and writhing begins to shut down an entire thread. We have long since stomped this poor little lady's thread (I'm envisioning a "poor little lady" for some reason) about
"when are we married"...into oblivion, when you force me to go round and round and round and have a ferocious 'knock down / drag out' over even the simplest, most straightforward aspect.
And here we have a case in point (out of dozens of cases) with this "Sadducee" thing: When you made the statement to me "I see your not complete Sadducee"...I'm concluding "oh, this guy is indicating to me that he had, up to now, viewed me as a completely apostate Sadducee and bound for Hell...but now he has upgraded me to 'partial apostate'.
As I jokingly stated...I suppose 'partial apostates' will only
partially go to Hell. So you force me to go round and round and round...until finally you throw up your arms (disingenuously, in my view) and declare "this is all a molehill" - LOL.
The same thing with this loaded question scenario. You absolutely nailed...
NAILED the "loaded question" fallacy with your question about "slandering" your wife -- "did you slander my wife to get revenge?". The question illicitly presupposes I slandered your wife...and if I gave a simple "no" answer, I would only be saying "no" to the revenge aspect and would still be inadvertently conceding the "slander" part of the question.
But no, you are going to go round and round and round, and wriggle and writhe and massage.
As "ZONE" has already indicated...this is not worth it. And as you have noted, no one is even reading this thread. Not a soul. It's just you and me and ZONE. If your objective is to grind somebody down with an avalanche of twists and dodges and warps and double-speak...you are near to accomplishing your objective. I have too many fish to fry in my real life...and my hopes of having a bit of influence on a discussion board are quickly dimming.
I will give you advance notice though -- I am thinking of starting a thread on
"Why Charismatics and Pentecostals SHOULD view all non-Charismatics/Pentecostals as ALMOST CERTAINLY "unsaved".
Let's see if we both can keep it civil, transparent and straightforward (if you would choose to participate).
