When did the Law expire?

[eternally-gratefull]

I was not talking about the 'letter of the law but the keeping of the Commandments in the love of Christ. If they were only to lead us to/as far as Christ then Christ would be lawless had they died with Him. That is utter nonsense---Jesus is the same yesterday as today and always--- so if He was walking this earth today He would keep His Fathers Commandments-period...or it would not be the same Jesus Mat 24v5, some people need to take a closer look at this.

Ok. Let's try this.

How do you keep Gods commands.

By following law

Or by spending your day loving others, and seeing God how God wants you to use you in there life?

You can not have it both ways, it has to be a focus on the law. Or a focus on others and God.

 

[Stephen63]

I see that some are already on their upward swing to dominating with their doctrine again. What was that rule? Oh, yeah, #7..... something about not bring that crap into a thread that doesn't talk about it. That's my interpretation of it, anyway.....

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Phil 4:10 But I rejoiced in the Lord greatly, that now at last you have revived your concern for me; indeed, you were concerned before, but you lacked opportunity. 11Not that I speak from want, for I have learned to be content in whatever circumstances I am. 12I know how to get along with humble means, and I also know how to live in prosperity; in any and every circumstance I have learned the secret of being filled and going hungry, both of having abundance and suffering need. 13I can do all things through Him who strengthens me.

It's not "I cant"..... It's really "I want an excuse not to".

See how tricky legalism and religion can be.

It says you can do all things, It leaves out the fact that it is ONLY through Christ, who gives us the power (strength) to do them.

Religion wants to take credit, to boast. Then yell at people who wants to rely on God. And boast of Gods power. Not their own. And say they just want to have an excuse.

Since when is relying on the power of God an excuse not to do things.

Wake up people. Before it is too late.

 

[FreeNChrist]

Phil 4:10 But I rejoiced in the Lord greatly, that now at last you have revived your concern for me; indeed, you were concerned before, but you lacked opportunity. 11Not that I speak from want, for I have learned to be content in whatever circumstances I am. 12I know how to get along with humble means, and I also know how to live in prosperity; in any and every circumstance I have learned the secret of being filled and going hungry, both of having abundance and suffering need. 13I can do all things through Him who strengthens me.

It's not "I cant"..... It's really "I want an excuse not to".

Right, careful you don't miss "Him" who is your strength and who it is all through.

[h=1]John 15:5

"I am the vine; you are the branches. If you remain in Me and I in you, you will bear much fruit; apart from Me you can do nothing."[/h]

 

[Stephen63]

Notice that I DIDN'T leave it out. And no, this wasn't an accident EG did this intentionally, as he usually does.

EG was simply looking for a way to humiliate me & judge me as a religious person who does everything myself.

Was EG in the Spirit when he did this? If you can see the obvious, then you know he is projecting his issues on me.

I hope the readers take mental notes on WHO does these things on a regular basis. They WILL see the pattern.

Thank you EG, for being an obvious example of a wicked judge. Have a nice day.

 

[Stephen63]

Right, careful you don't miss "Him" who is your strength and who it is all through.

John 15:5

"I am the vine; you are the branches. If you remain in Me and I in you, you will bear much fruit; apart from Me you can do nothing."

Thanks for your concern,FNC.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

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Notice that I DIDN'T leave it out. And no, this wasn't an accident EG did this intentionally, as he usually does.

EG was simply looking for a way to humiliate me & judge me as a religious person who does everything myself.

Was EG in the Spirit when he did this? If you can see the obvious, then you know he is projecting his issues on me.

I hope the readers take mental notes on WHO does these things on a regular basis. They WILL see the pattern.

Thank you EG, for being an obvious example of a wicked judge. Have a nice day.

yep lets notice what Steven did.

1. He highlighted, "I can do all things" In big bold letters and even changed the color. To let us all know. This is what he spoke of.
2. He was called out. Because he put the focus on SELF, and not on God (otherwise he would have bonded the WHOLE thing in big letters, But no.
3. He stated that some people use it as an excuse to not do anything, when in reality they are giving GOD the credit fort the work they do(Also known as deflecting the issue) and when called out on it, He did not even r4espond to it.

Then he calls me th wicked judge, When he himself has been proven to the a judge.

It's ok STeve, most people see right through this..

 

[Stephen63]

Originally Posted by FreeNChrist
Faith says, "I can't, only you can Lord". That is not something to be healed from nor that you should desire to be healed from.

Phil 4:10 But I rejoiced in the Lord greatly, that now at last you have revived your concern for me; indeed, you were concerned before, but you lacked opportunity. 11Not that I speak from want, for I have learned to be content in whatever circumstances I am. 12I know how to get along with humble means, and I also know how to live in prosperity; in any and every circumstance I have learned the secret of being filled and going hungry, both of having abundance and suffering need. 13I can do all things through Him who strengthens me.

It's not "I cant"..... It's really "I want an excuse not to".

EG has a problem with context..... He always has a problem with context.

And you're right..... people see right thru this.

 

[aldy]

What law did He come to fulfill.?

-that was against or contrary to us
Colossians 2:14
14 | having blotted out the bond written in ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us: and he hath taken it out that way, nailing it to the cross;

what is it?
Acts 10:28
28 | and he said unto them, Ye yourselves know how it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to join himself or come unto one of another nation; and 'yet' unto me hath God showed that I should not call any man common or unclean:

-law of circumcision
Galatians 5:6
6 | For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth anything, nor uncircumcision; but faith working through love.

which changed to baptism who is also called:"circumcision of Christ"
Colossians 2:11
11 | in whom ye were also circumcised with a circumcision not made with hands, in the putting off of the body of the flesh, in the circumcision of Christ;
-law of priesthood
Hebrews 7:12
12 | For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
NB: it mean necessity a change also of the priesthood, because, Jesus who executed the priest's office is not of tribe of Aaron
Exodus 40:13 - 15
13 | And thou shalt put upon Aaron the holy garments; and thou shalt anoint him, and sanctify him, that he may minister unto me in the priest's office.
14 | And thou shalt bring his sons, and put coats upon them;
15 | and thou shalt anoint them, as thou didst anoint their father, that they may minister unto me in the priest's office: and their anointing shall be to them for an everlasting priesthood throughout their generations.

this precedent priest is not very good which is repeated but not take away sins
Hebrews 10:11 - 12
11 | And every priest indeed standeth day by day ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, the which can never take away sins:
12 | but he, when he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;

 

[TheSearcherMan]

Where does 2 Timothy 3:12, Matthew 10:22 come into play? Genesis 2:2 is not part of any Covenant. Then there is Romans 14:5,6. 2 Timothy 2:16. Why do you single out the 4th Commandment people for persecution? The 10 Commandments are a package deal under either Covenant in my mind. I know that you know the truth.

Let's take this a little further. Please help me understand where you are coming from. These stories actually happened by the way. I am not judging these people either, these are known facts. I too am a sinner also.

A church school/college educated "seasoned" pastor, with a beautiful wife and 2 kids, attempts to rape a 14 year girl in the church attic. Where did he go wrong, or, did he even go wrong? I would guess that he would look you in the eye and tell you that he was Christian, accepted, and loved Christ. Encourage you to do the same and also that he had no problem sleeping at night. Is he in Christ? Another Pastor preaches perfection from the pulpit, and that same night is seen doing quite the opposite with a young woman. Are these Pastors in sin under either Covenant? Or, just the Old Covenant? Are these overseers using the The New Covenant as an excuse for their behavior? It's ok, Jesus Christ will pick up the tab?

If someone claims to be in Christ, and goes to Church most Sunday's, but is a thief and liar at work during the week? Would they then be a sinner under either Covenant?

Where does this fit into your interpretation of the New Covenant? How many fallen Pastor stories do you want? If you look at what is going on in both Protestant and Catholic Churches, and the entire world today, there simply has to be a problem with someone's interpretation of something.

 

[FreeNChrist]

Those with itching ears are desperately looking for some shred of self-respect for which they can congratulate themselves. Something, anything, they can do. Anything but free grace. Nothing humiliates and angers the proud more than being told there is nothing they can do. It’s why so many rail against the grace of God….it takes them and their works out of the equation and makes it rightly all about Jesus.

 

[Hawkins]

Phil 4:10 But I rejoiced in the Lord greatly, that now at last you have revived your concern for me; indeed, you were concerned before, but you lacked opportunity. 11Not that I speak from want, for I have learned to be content in whatever circumstances I am. 12I know how to get along with humble means, and I also know how to live in prosperity; in any and every circumstance I have learned the secret of being filled and going hungry, both of having abundance and suffering need. 13I can do all things through Him who strengthens me.

It's not "I cant"..... It's really "I want an excuse not to".

This is rather a misquoted verse,


Philippians 4:12-13 (NIV2011)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] I know what it is to be in need, and I know what it is to have plenty. I have learned the secret of being content in any and every situation, whether well fed or hungry, whether living in plenty or in want.
[SUP]13 [/SUP] I can do all this through him who gives me strength.

The "all this" actually refers to what Paul has experienced, instead of "everything at will".


The bottom line is,

Jude 1:4 (NIV2011)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] For certain individuals whose condemnation was written about long ago have secretly slipped in among you. They are ungodly people, who pervert the grace of our God into a license for immorality and deny Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord.

It simply says that you still need to follow laws to act. Grace is to save you from where you fail, it's not for you to do your fleshly wills without limit. Though it boils down to which set of laws you are going to follow.


In a nutshell,
The sets of laws specified in a covenant somehow has the added effect.

Gentiles (it's all humans before the Jews) need to follow the "Law in Heart" which God gives us as our conscience and moral code.

Later on, Mosaic Law was given for the Jews to follow, it however by no means says that they no longer need to follow their conscience or moral code in heart to act. As Jesus pointed out, some laws Moses set so because their hearts are hard, that is, the set of laws in the form of conscience and moral code goes corrupted in their hearts. Still God will consider them righteous as long as they can abide by Mosaic Law to a said standard (with Moses as the accuser).

Even today if by bloodline or custom or religion you claim to be a Jew, you need to follow the Mosaic Law to act. As a Jew however you have the advantage of choosing to be a gentile. That is, under the circumstance that you failed to or choose not to follow Mosaic Law to act, then you are now no longer under the Old Covenant signed with Moses but rather under the covenant granted to the Gentiles.

Similarly, today we are all gentiles thus need to follow our conscience to act. Our conscience may be a corrupted one though. It is because our version of conscience is corrupted that there's no much hope there for us to abide by it fully. We will fail at some point which will lead to our death. We thus need to New Covenant. The New Covenant is to save us from the situation how we failed. It by no means says that we no longer need to act in accordance to our conscience and moral code (a corrupted copy though).

The confusion however comes from whether we as gentiles need to follow Mosaic Law mentioned in OT. The answer should be no. Mosaic Law is for the Jews to abide by. However, it is very possible that the core commandments are common and overlapping in all covenants. So most of the 10 commandments may be found in each and every covenants, including our New Covenant, as Jesus Christ put it,

Matthew 19:17-19 (NIV2011)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] “Why do you ask me about what is good?” Jesus replied. “There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, keep the commandments.”
[SUP]18 [/SUP] “Which ones?” he inquired. Jesus replied, “ ‘You shall not murder, you shall not commit adultery, you shall not steal, you shall not give false testimony,
[SUP]19 [/SUP] honor your father and mother,’ and ‘love your neighbor as yourself.’”


The difference made in the New Covenant is not how you should obey them, but rather how you will be judged in the Judgment Day. To simply put, you still need to obey them yet you won't be judged by them. You need to obey them though you will be judged by your faith and your faith alone.

 

[FreeNChrist]

This is rather a misquoted verse,


Philippians 4:12-13 (NIV2011)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] I know what it is to be in need, and I know what it is to have plenty. I have learned the secret of being content in any and every situation, whether well fed or hungry, whether living in plenty or in want.
[SUP]13 [/SUP] I can do all this through him who gives me strength.

The "all this" actually refers to what Paul has experienced, instead of "everything at will".


The bottom line is,

Jude 1:4 (NIV2011)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] For certain individuals whose condemnation was written about long ago have secretly slipped in among you. They are ungodly people, who pervert the grace of our God into a license for immorality and deny Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord.

It simply says that you still need to follow laws to act. Grace is to save you from where you fail, it's not for you to do your fleshly wills without limit. Though it boils down to which set of laws you are going to follow.


In a nutshell,
The sets of laws specified in a covenant somehow has the added effect.

Gentiles (it's all humans before the Jews) need to follow the "Law in Heart" which God gives us as our conscience and moral code.

Later on, Mosaic Law was given for the Jews to follow, it however by no means says that they no longer need to follow their conscience or moral code in heart to act. As Jesus pointed out, some laws Moses set so because their hearts are hard, that is, the set of laws in the form of conscience and moral code goes corrupted in their hearts. Still God will consider them righteous as long as they can abide by Mosaic Law to a said standard (with Moses as the accuser).

Even today if by bloodline or custom or religion you claim to be a Jew, you need to follow the Mosaic Law to act. As a Jew however you have the advantage of choosing to be a gentile. That is, under the circumstance that you failed to or choose not to follow Mosaic Law to act, then you are now no longer under the Old Covenant signed with Moses but rather under the covenant granted to the Gentiles.

Similarly, today we are all gentiles thus need to follow our conscience to act. Our conscience may be a corrupted one though. It is because our version of conscience is corrupted that there's no much hope there for us to abide by it fully. We will fail at some point which will lead to our death. We thus need to New Covenant. The New Covenant is to save us from the situation how we failed. It by no means says that we no longer need to act in accordance to our conscience and moral code (a corrupted copy though).

The confusion however comes from whether we as gentiles need to follow Mosaic Law mentioned in OT. The answer should be no. Mosaic Law is for the Jews to abide by. However, it is very possible that the core commandments are common and overlapping in all covenants. So most of the 10 commandments may be found in each and every covenants, including our New Covenant, as Jesus Christ put it,

Matthew 19:17-19 (NIV2011)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] “Why do you ask me about what is good?” Jesus replied. “There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, keep the commandments.”
[SUP]18 [/SUP] “Which ones?” he inquired. Jesus replied, “ ‘You shall not murder, you shall not commit adultery, you shall not steal, you shall not give false testimony,
[SUP]19 [/SUP] honor your father and mother,’ and ‘love your neighbor as yourself.’”


The difference made in the New Covenant is not how you should obey them, but rather how you will be judged in the Judgment Day. To simply put, you still need to obey them yet you won't be judged by them. You need to obey them though you will be judged by your faith and your faith alone.

So, Grace is just a get out of jail free card for you when you fail to live up to the demands of the Law? Naw.

 

[Grace777x70]

So, Grace is just a get out of jail free card for you when you fail to live up to the demands of the Law? Naw.

Amen...it is all by grace through faith in what Christ has already done.

As we have received Christ - in the same manner is how we walk in Him - all by grace through faith.

Colossians 2:6-7 (NASB)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] Therefore as you have received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk in Him,

[SUP]7 [/SUP] having been firmly rooted and now being built up in Him and established in your faith, just as you were instructed, and overflowing with gratitude.

And to grab the quote in your signature. It is very clear how we are to live in Christ.

“How foolish can you be? After starting your new lives in the Spirit, why are you now trying to become perfect by your own human effort?” Gal 3:3​

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

You are truly one who understands ! and I thank you for not falsly condemning me ! there is no question that we can do anything of and by ourselves, of course we can't ! and we will always know Christ as our source of strength - it does not mean we will remain helpless and useless to God.. There is work to be done in eternity and we must become strong like Jesus so God our Father can use us in His work ! Had God not been able to depend on Jesus doing HIS part where would WE be ??

I agree!
I don't have in my mind that I will just always sin and that's the end of the matter.
I see that if I abide in Him I don't sin!
So I strive to completely abide and trust only in Him for everything.
It says if we abide in Him we don't sin.
It doesn't say if we abide in Him we will always still sin.

Sometimes it feels to me like we refuse to grab the promise in that verse and run with it because we know deep down that we plan on keeping our rights and pride and arrogance and self defense and self love...instead of giving it up.

 

[FreeNChrist]

Where does 2 Timothy 3:12, Matthew 10:22 come into play? Genesis 2:2 is not part of any Covenant. Then there is Romans 14:5,6. 2 Timothy 2:16. Why do you single out the 4th Commandment people for persecution? The 10 Commandments are a package deal under either Covenant in my mind. I know that you know the truth.

Let's take this a little further. Please help me understand where you are coming from. These stories actually happened by the way. I am not judging these people either, these are known facts. I too am a sinner also.

A church school/college educated "seasoned" pastor, with a beautiful wife and 2 kids, attempts to rape a 14 year girl in the church attic. Where did he go wrong, or, did he even go wrong? I would guess that he would look you in the eye and tell you that he was Christian, accepted, and loved Christ. Encourage you to do the same and also that he had no problem sleeping at night. Is he in Christ? Another Pastor preaches perfection from the pulpit, and that same night is seen doing quite the opposite with a young woman. Are these Pastors in sin under either Covenant? Or, just the Old Covenant? Are these overseers using the The New Covenant as an excuse for their behavior? It's ok, Jesus Christ will pick up the tab?

If someone claims to be in Christ, and goes to Church most Sunday's, but is a thief and liar at work during the week? Would they then be a sinner under either Covenant?

Where does this fit into your interpretation of the New Covenant? How many fallen Pastor stories do you want? If you look at what is going on in both Protestant and Catholic Churches, and the entire world today, there simply has to be a problem with someone's interpretation of something.

[h=1][/h]
"[FONT=Helvetica Neue, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]The sting of death is sin,[/FONT][FONT=Helvetica Neue, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif][/FONT][FONT=Helvetica Neue, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif] and the power of sin is the Law." 1 Cor. 15:56

You want less sin? Give 'em more grace, not Law.


[/FONT]

 

[Grace777x70]

Paul who knew the law better then anyone had this to say about the purpose of the law.


The purpose of the law was :

1) To reveal our sinful state - Rom 3:20

2) To inflame sin - Rom 7:8

3) To minister death in us - Rom 7:10-11

4) To lead us to Christ - Gal 3:24

The law is good, holy and spiritual but we are in the flesh. Jesus fulfilled all the law! When we read the law we should be seeing Jesus in it. Jesus did not save us so that we could go back to the law.

The law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus is how we live now, and the law of liberty in Christ Jesus and the law of love, the law of faith ( the Law is NOT of faith - the just shall live by faith ). The law of Christ - Himself is how we live now.

But the purpose of the law was not for righteousness or salvation at all, it was to manifest sin in our lives, so that the purpose of grace which is in Jesus is to manifest salvation. Grace does not set aside the law, but completely satisfied it.

Christians are dead to the Law, been released from the Law and are NOT under the Law. It can't get any plainer than that.

People are free to do whatever they want in relation to the Law - it does not make one righteous nor is it for salvation.

If someone wants to observe a particular day , festivals or eat or not eat some kinds of foods..etc - then they are free to do so. These have no bearing on one's salvation or righteousness as all that is based on the finished work of Christ.

It's where people are saying "You must observe these things or do these things in the Law or you are not obeying God" - that's where the twisting comes in and it is a perversion of the gospel of the grace of Christ.

This is an anti-Christ belief system religion which has the "appearance" of good but it is really denying the Lord Jesus Christ's finished work.

It is time for the body of Christ to enter into God's finished works and rest in what Christ has already done for us in His work.

Hebrews 4:10 (NASB)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] For the one who has entered His rest has himself also rested from his works, as God did from His.

 

[brighthouse98]

Few can come to any agreement upon this subject!! LOL But just for the fun of it,let us look at a couple of things we may wish to consider about the law,and then you can decide whether you should keep it or receive what Jesus gave with his own blood instead of the sorry law. First I am not a jew to start with,therefore the law which was written was never for me to start with! Rom 2:12-16!

Why was there a law to start with anyway one may ask.Exodus 19:8!!!Underline if you will these 3 words,we will do! The explanation in the Hebrew sintext is quite long,so to cut to the chase I will make it simple. The Hebrew people no longer wished to receive God's grace,they wished to be judged by there own works! God was very angry at this!

Notice if you will from reading further that now God comes to Moses in a thick cloud,and that the people now cannot come to the mountain of God without dieing! Exodus 19:9-13!!! God was so angry at this,he further made things even more impossible for the jews by giving them something he knew they could never keep! Exodus 20:The ten commandments!And yes the Ten commandments are a part of the very same old Covenant!( Exodus 34:28-29!) This inferior law was given for a very specific purpose by God,this is not to say the law was bad in any way! The purpose of the law was to show the jews themselves that they also needed a savior!! The law was written so that 2 things would happen.

1. the knowledge of sin would be reveled!( Rom 3:19-20 and!!! hope you sitting down for this next one!! LOl AND!!!! so that sin would actually increase because of the law!!! Rom 5:20! Which of course sin did! If we wish to stay under this law then the New Covenant commands we keep the whole law,not just a part of it!( james 2:10-13!!) Today I am under the New Covenant,you can decide for yourself what Covenant you are under for yourself.

Under the new for those of us who believe Jesus fulfilled the law and thereby ended that law.( Rom 10:4!) Notice please to all who do what??? Correct!!! believe! Our only work in Christ!!( John 6:28-29) Be careful how you built your house!( 1 Cor 3:10-11!!!) and 2Cor 3:5-18!!!) Moses worn a veil so that the Glory of God would not show upon others, but as time went on as we see here Moses worn the veil to cover up that the glory of God was fading away!

Hence the letter kills! the very letter of the law,but the Holy Spirit gives life! Example for you to see. Under the law 3000 people died! Exodus 32:28 Under Holy Spirit 3000 souls were saved!!! ( Acts 2:41!!) A HUGE difference in the covenants! Another example, from old to new. 2 Kings 1:12! Now look at the large difference in the new!! ( Luke 9:54-56!!!) There is no both! We live under one or the other! ( Hebrews 8:4-13!!!)

The law was only a shadow of what was,not is!( heb 10:1) Jesus Christ completed something we could never complete! Jesus, Superior to both the prophets and Moses!( Heb 1 and heb 3!) SO!!! What is the law written upon our hearts one may ask? ( John 13:34-35!) and bear one anothers burdens and fulfill the very LAW of CHRIST!! ( Gal 6:2!) Jesus has completed everything,all we have to do to understand his grace, is twofold,1. understand that grace instructs us!( Titus 2:11-12) and 2. BELIEVE!!!!! I hope this has helped many of us,and before you get mad at me,please do consider scriptures I have placed for you to observe for yourself to see if what I am saying is truth. One final note. Heb 6:4-6 is not talking about OSAS or the opposite of it,it is talking here about those who go back to the law instead of receiving what only Jesus could complete! ( Gal 5:4!!) Hope you have been both blessed and comforted by this brothers and sisters!! ( Phil 4:7)

 

[Hawkins]

So, Grace is just a get out of jail free card for you when you fail to live up to the demands of the Law? Naw.

On the other hand, do you expect that the Grace should allow you to get the licence to sin?

If not then, what limits you is the law.

We should look at it in a positive way though,

1 Peter 1:14-16 (NIV2011)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] As obedient children, do not conform to the evil desires you had when you lived in ignorance.
[SUP]15 [/SUP] But just as he who called you is holy, so be holy in all you do;
[SUP]16 [/SUP] for it is written: “Be holy, because I am holy.”

 

[followjesus]

If only people were more clear as to 'which laws they mean !
Broadly speaking there are the 'spiritual Law or Commandments given by GOD personally to the people Ex 20v1, Deut 5v22 -
and then there are the 'Works of the law/commandments contained in ordinances and only temporal given through Moses until Christ.
The spiritual Commandments are eternal, holy, just and good Rom 7,
while the 'works commandments were abolished on the cross Eph 2v15; Col 2v14.

What we get is a lot of arguments about the 'LAW ---lumping them all together as 'one and the same'. That just is not true and is the reason for all our disagreements.

We are to 'put difference between what is holy/spiritual and what is unhole/secular Lev 10v10 ....it is a 'foundational principle and essential for reaching the Truth. Mix them together (as Christians are doing) and you get ERROR/disgreement and divisions ! Christianity is broken, splintered into thousands of different beliefs/denominations. That should not be so !

really good stuff. just a thought to consider

the Laws authority ends at a persons death. we are taught that by faith , we died to the whole Law of moses. BUT, Jesus Gave every relevant part of the Law in His ministry. He fulfilled the entire mosaic Law, and God re established a covenant through Jesus , the "second moses"

if the first covenant was fulfilled, and rendered " obsolete" then the True "law" that gives freedom are the words of Jesus. stated another way

Jesus completed the Law of moses, and Spoke all the commands of God in His ministry. all of the sacrificial, cleansing rites, observances of festivals, purification works ect. those things arent taught by the Lord Jesus. His gospel is Gods eternal Word and all of the righteousness of the Law, is found in the gospel.