When Do Christians Receive The Holy Spirit ?

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Regarding Heb. 6:4-6: it makes no sense to view someone who intentionally/not accidentally became a Christian to be deemed unredeemable if they accidentally fall. No, the fall must be intentional in order to be blameable.
I never said anything about accidentally. It’s you twisting Scripture to fit your man-mad doctrine.
Regarding baptism: there is only one salvific/commanded type, the one SB that occurs when the one faith/Gospel accepts the one Lord/Jesus per Eph. 4:4-6.
I have a slew of verses about this subject.

-"Then Peter said to them, "Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. For the promise is to you and to your children, and to all who are afar off, as many as the Lord our God will call."" Acts 2:38-39 NKJV

Regarding eventually: the work of WB was mistakenly commanded in Acts before folks realized it is only the inner faith/SB that is salvific (1Cor. 12:13), which is why WB was not commanded in the epistles.
Nothing is mistaken!! lol You’re are just cherry picking, and the rest you explain away as a mistake!?! lol

Yes, this is what false doctrine teaches you, to explain away all those verses that can’t be twisted…..
 
Do your best to conqueror your sins but I am more than a conqueror.
Rom 8:37-39
 
Yes, that’s exactly right.


The Holy Spirit is received the moment we truly believe in Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior, repent, and trust in Him alone (Ephesians 1:13-14).


He is the seal and guarantee of our salvation given immediately to every genuine believer. No delay, no second work.


John 14:26 and 16:7-8 confirm it: the Comforter comes to indwell those who belong to Christ.


If you’ve accepted Jesus wholeheartedly, the Holy Spirit already lives in you.
Consider Paul's question to the Ephesians in Acts 19: Have you received the Holy Ghost SINCE you believed?

Note as well that the verses you quote are in the letter Paul later sent to those Ephesians, referenced in Acts 19, reminding them what word of truth, gospel of their salvation they heard, believed and obeyed that resulted in their receiving the Holy Ghost at the laying on of Paul's hand. (Acts 19:1-7, Eph. 1:13-14)
 
I never said anything about accidentally. It’s you twisting Scripture to fit your man-mad doctrine.

I have a slew of verses about this subject.


-"Then Peter said to them, "Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. For the promise is to you and to your children, and to all who are afar off, as many as the Lord our God will call."" Acts 2:38-39 NKJV


Nothing is mistaken!! lol You’re are just cherry picking, and the rest you explain away as a mistake!?! lol

Yes, this is what false doctrine teaches you, to explain away all those verses that can’t be twisted…..

A fall is usually viewed as accidental, so you are twisting the meaning to indicate otherwise.

Regarding Acts 2:38-39, I already said that the outward work of WB was mistakenly commanded in Acts
before folks realized it is only the inner faith/SB that is salvific (1Cor. 12:13), which is why WB was not commanded in the epistles--including those by Peter.

TOP #41: Christians are God’s elect, chosen according to divine foreknowledge.
[1PT 1:1-2&20 = RM 8:28-30] Jesus (in MT 24:22-31) also referred to his disciples as elect (cf. RM 11:7, 11:28 & 2TM 2:10), and Jesus’s crucifixion is connected with God’s foreknowledge by Peter (in ACTS 2:23). Paul told Titus that God promised eternal life before the beginning (TIT 1:2).

TOP #111: Christians are given new birth into a living hope because of Christ’s resurrection. [1PT 1:3&21 = 1CR 15:12-20] Being born again is TOJ #168.

TOP #145: Christians have an inheritance kept in heaven that will be revealed in the last time. [1PT 1:4-9 = EPH 1:13-14, 5:15, COL 1:12, 3:24] Heaven means life that is both eternal (MT 19:29, HB 9:15) and joyful (JN 16:20-24, PHP 4:4, RV 21:4).

TOP #179: Through faith Christians are shielded or kept safe during earthly grief and trials by God’s power until the end. [1PT 1:5-6 = EPH 6:10-17] The Ephesians passage includes the shield of faith in a list of other spiritual armor.

TOP #83: Like gold that is purified by fire, faith is proved to be genuine as it endures trials. [1PT 1:6-7 = 1CR 3:12-15] Peter described his addressees as those who love Jesus even though they have not seen him, and Jesus said those who suffer persecution because of righteousness should rejoice, because they will be blessed with the kingdom of heaven (MT 5:10-12).

TOP #289: The prophets spoke of God’s future grace, because the Spirit of Christ in them revealed his sufferings and the glories that would follow. [1PT 1:10-12] They foretold the gospel that is being preached because of the Holy Spirit sent from heaven. This is the first teaching by Peter that does not merely echo Paul’s epistles. It indicates that the Holy Spirit indwelt believers before Pentecost, although this truth was not realized until taught by Jesus (JN 14-16) and Paul (cf. TOP #27-29).

TOP #290: Christians should prepare their minds for action by being self-controlled as they await Christ’s second coming. [1PT 1:13-16 = RM 12:2 & TIT 2:2-13] These verses by Peter combine TOP #55 & 214 by associating preparing the mind with becoming self-controlled, and so it is assigned its own number as a meaningful nuance. Instead of conforming to evil desires sinners had when ignorant of the Gospel, they should be transformed into godly or holy persons. The combination/collaboration with Paul’s teachings is indicated also by the reference to awaiting Christ to appear or be revealed in both passages.

TOP #19: God judges impartially or without showing favoritism. [1PT 1:17 = RM 2:11] In TOP #221 God is described as just.

TOP #266: Jesus is the unblemished lamb whose death redeemed sinners. [1PT 1:18-19 = HB 4:15 & 5:9] This reference is an instance indicating that the OT foreshadowed the NT. Verse 20 is part of TOP #41, and verses 21&23 are part of #111. The reference to “these last times” indicates the age from Christ’s resurrection until the resurrection of Christians, “glory” (cf. v.11) signifies heavenly joy, and “born again” means being spiritually reborn.

TOP #135: Christians should love one another. [1PT 1:22 = GL 5:6&14] Enough said.

TOP #291: God’s Word/Gospel exists eternally. [1PT 1:23-25] This teaching is akin to the prologue of John’s gospel as well as to what Paul wrote in EPH 6:17, PHP 2:16 & HB 4:12 (cf. TOP #179, 188 & 264).

TOP #13: Christians should rid themselves of every kind of sin, including malice and deceit. [1PT 2:1 = RM 1:29] Jesus taught this truth in MK 7:20-23 (TOJ #76).

TOP #81: New Christians should crave pure spiritual milk. [1PT 2:2 = 1CR 3:2] In Paul’s teaching he said that Christians should not remain babies but rather grow beyond belief in how to be saved and crave spiritual meat or teachings regarding how to become mature morally, like Christ.

TOP #270: Those who have tasted the Lord’s goodness should become mature or strive for complete sanctification. [1PT 2:2-3 = HB 6:4-6] Saving faith (imputed righteousness) not only endures but also strives for moral perfection, although this goal will not be attained until heaven (cf. PHP 3:7-16).

TOP #153: Christians comprise a spiritual edifice built on Christ as the cornerstone and capstone. [1PT 2:4-8 = EPH 2:18-20] This house is called the church or body of Christ (EPH 3:10 & 4:15-16).

TOP #167: Those who reject Christ are bound for a fall and destined to damnation. [1PT 2:8 = PHP 3:18-19, EPH 5:5-6] What Peter implied, Paul specified.

TOP #292: Christians may be described as chosen people, a royal priesthood and a holy nation or people belonging to God. [1PT 2:5&9, cf. RV 5:10] What Peter specified, Paul implied by referring to Jesus as the high priest (HB 2:17, 3:1, 4:14-15, 6:20, etc.). “Chosen” is part of TOP #41. Being holy or godly correlates with being indwelt by the Holy Spirit (cf. TOP #36, 38, 41, etc.).

TOP #151: Gentiles are included in God’s plan of salvation. [1PT 2:10 = EPH 2:11-3:6] This truth was described as a mystery in TOP #144.

TOP #293: Christians are spiritual aliens on earth. [1PT 2:11] Paul described Gentiles as alienated from Israel (EPH 2:19 & 3:6), but Peter redefines this term.

TOP #179: Sinful desires war against souls in a spiritual struggle. [1PT 2:11 = EPH 6:10-17] Such desires are described as the devil’s schemes by Paul.

TOP #207: Pagans should be able to see that Christians’ lives are a good witness or reason to believe in God. [1PT 2:12&15 = COL 4:5-6, 1THS 4:12, 1TM 3:7] We will see that good lives may include suffering for Christ.

TOP #66: Submit to governmental authorities, kings or governors who are sent by God to punish wrongdoers and commend those who do right. [1PT 2:13-14 & 17 = RM 13:1-5] This does not mean Christians should obey those who command sinful behavior (cf. ACTS 5:27-29).

TOP #136: Freedom in Christ does not mean having a license to sin. [1PT 2:16 = GL 5:13] “Respect” seems to be almost synonymous with submission in EPH 5:21 (TOP #173).

TOP #177: Slaves should submit to masters, considering their suffering to be commendable as following the example of Christ. [1PT 2:18-21 = EPH 6:5, COL 3:22, etc.] Paul said slavery should be viewed as obedience to God.

TOP #294: Christ suffered insults and crucifixion without retaliating or committing any sin so that by his wounds we might be healed. [1PT 2:21-24] While this is similar to TOP #265, its description adds a few details.

TOP #173: Wives should be submissive to husbands, and husbands should in the same way be considerate and respect wives. [1PT3:1&5b-8 = EPH 5:21-33, COL 3:18-19] While submission implies subservience to some, Jesus taught that in the kingdom of God a slave is greater (MT 20:25-28, TOJ #120).

TOP #232: Women should focus on unfading beauty rather than outward adornment. [1PT 3:3-5a = 1TM 2:9-10] An outwardly beautiful woman who lacks inner beauty is like a gold ring in a pig’s snout per PR 11:22.

TOP #64: Live in harmony. [1PT 3:8-9 = RM 12:16-17] This involves being humble rather than seeking revenge. Peter quotes PS 34:12-16 in this regard.

TOP #295: Blessed are those who suffer for doing what is right. [1PT 3:13-14, 3:16-17, 4:1&12-16] Paul spoke of suffering for the gospel (2TM 1:8) and sharing Christ’s suffering (RM 8:17-18), but this is a theme in 1PT (cf. #299) that does not seem to depend on something Paul wrote.

TOP #296: Always be prepared to answer those who ask for the reason for hope of heaven. [1PT 3:15] This means that Christians should be willing to share their testimonies or explain why they believe Jesus is Messiah and Lord.
 
"At first" noted the Acts accounts.
John 3:6 substitutes "flesh" for the water in v.5, indicating physical birth.
Stop being a naysayer.
The Word of God reveals the water and Spirit Jesus referenced; both water and Spirit were involved in the conversion experiences. (Acts 2:38-42, 8:12-18, 10:43-48, 19: 1-7, 9:17-18, 22:16) To refuse to except what the Word itself reveals is not using wisdom. Selah.
 
A fall is usually viewed as accidental, so you are twisting the meaning to indicate otherwise.

Regarding Acts 2:38-39, I already said that the outward work of WB was mistakenly commanded in Acts
before folks realized it is only the inner faith/SB that is salvific (1Cor. 12:13), which is why WB was not commanded in the epistles--including those by Peter.

TOP #41: Christians are God’s elect, chosen according to divine foreknowledge.
[1PT 1:1-2&20 = RM 8:28-30] Jesus (in MT 24:22-31) also referred to his disciples as elect (cf. RM 11:7, 11:28 & 2TM 2:10), and Jesus’s crucifixion is connected with God’s foreknowledge by Peter (in ACTS 2:23). Paul told Titus that God promised eternal life before the beginning (TIT 1:2).

TOP #111: Christians are given new birth into a living hope because of Christ’s resurrection. [1PT 1:3&21 = 1CR 15:12-20] Being born again is TOJ #168.

TOP #145: Christians have an inheritance kept in heaven that will be revealed in the last time. [1PT 1:4-9 = EPH 1:13-14, 5:15, COL 1:12, 3:24] Heaven means life that is both eternal (MT 19:29, HB 9:15) and joyful (JN 16:20-24, PHP 4:4, RV 21:4).

TOP #179: Through faith Christians are shielded or kept safe during earthly grief and trials by God’s power until the end. [1PT 1:5-6 = EPH 6:10-17] The Ephesians passage includes the shield of faith in a list of other spiritual armor.

TOP #83: Like gold that is purified by fire, faith is proved to be genuine as it endures trials. [1PT 1:6-7 = 1CR 3:12-15] Peter described his addressees as those who love Jesus even though they have not seen him, and Jesus said those who suffer persecution because of righteousness should rejoice, because they will be blessed with the kingdom of heaven (MT 5:10-12).

TOP #289: The prophets spoke of God’s future grace, because the Spirit of Christ in them revealed his sufferings and the glories that would follow. [1PT 1:10-12] They foretold the gospel that is being preached because of the Holy Spirit sent from heaven. This is the first teaching by Peter that does not merely echo Paul’s epistles. It indicates that the Holy Spirit indwelt believers before Pentecost, although this truth was not realized until taught by Jesus (JN 14-16) and Paul (cf. TOP #27-29).

TOP #290: Christians should prepare their minds for action by being self-controlled as they await Christ’s second coming. [1PT 1:13-16 = RM 12:2 & TIT 2:2-13] These verses by Peter combine TOP #55 & 214 by associating preparing the mind with becoming self-controlled, and so it is assigned its own number as a meaningful nuance. Instead of conforming to evil desires sinners had when ignorant of the Gospel, they should be transformed into godly or holy persons. The combination/collaboration with Paul’s teachings is indicated also by the reference to awaiting Christ to appear or be revealed in both passages.

TOP #19: God judges impartially or without showing favoritism. [1PT 1:17 = RM 2:11] In TOP #221 God is described as just.

TOP #266: Jesus is the unblemished lamb whose death redeemed sinners. [1PT 1:18-19 = HB 4:15 & 5:9] This reference is an instance indicating that the OT foreshadowed the NT. Verse 20 is part of TOP #41, and verses 21&23 are part of #111. The reference to “these last times” indicates the age from Christ’s resurrection until the resurrection of Christians, “glory” (cf. v.11) signifies heavenly joy, and “born again” means being spiritually reborn.

TOP #135: Christians should love one another. [1PT 1:22 = GL 5:6&14] Enough said.

TOP #291: God’s Word/Gospel exists eternally. [1PT 1:23-25] This teaching is akin to the prologue of John’s gospel as well as to what Paul wrote in EPH 6:17, PHP 2:16 & HB 4:12 (cf. TOP #179, 188 & 264).

TOP #13: Christians should rid themselves of every kind of sin, including malice and deceit. [1PT 2:1 = RM 1:29] Jesus taught this truth in MK 7:20-23 (TOJ #76).

TOP #81: New Christians should crave pure spiritual milk. [1PT 2:2 = 1CR 3:2] In Paul’s teaching he said that Christians should not remain babies but rather grow beyond belief in how to be saved and crave spiritual meat or teachings regarding how to become mature morally, like Christ.

TOP #270: Those who have tasted the Lord’s goodness should become mature or strive for complete sanctification. [1PT 2:2-3 = HB 6:4-6] Saving faith (imputed righteousness) not only endures but also strives for moral perfection, although this goal will not be attained until heaven (cf. PHP 3:7-16).

TOP #153: Christians comprise a spiritual edifice built on Christ as the cornerstone and capstone. [1PT 2:4-8 = EPH 2:18-20] This house is called the church or body of Christ (EPH 3:10 & 4:15-16).

TOP #167: Those who reject Christ are bound for a fall and destined to damnation. [1PT 2:8 = PHP 3:18-19, EPH 5:5-6] What Peter implied, Paul specified.

TOP #292: Christians may be described as chosen people, a royal priesthood and a holy nation or people belonging to God. [1PT 2:5&9, cf. RV 5:10] What Peter specified, Paul implied by referring to Jesus as the high priest (HB 2:17, 3:1, 4:14-15, 6:20, etc.). “Chosen” is part of TOP #41. Being holy or godly correlates with being indwelt by the Holy Spirit (cf. TOP #36, 38, 41, etc.).

TOP #151: Gentiles are included in God’s plan of salvation. [1PT 2:10 = EPH 2:11-3:6] This truth was described as a mystery in TOP #144.

TOP #293: Christians are spiritual aliens on earth. [1PT 2:11] Paul described Gentiles as alienated from Israel (EPH 2:19 & 3:6), but Peter redefines this term.

TOP #179: Sinful desires war against souls in a spiritual struggle. [1PT 2:11 = EPH 6:10-17] Such desires are described as the devil’s schemes by Paul.

TOP #207: Pagans should be able to see that Christians’ lives are a good witness or reason to believe in God. [1PT 2:12&15 = COL 4:5-6, 1THS 4:12, 1TM 3:7] We will see that good lives may include suffering for Christ.

TOP #66: Submit to governmental authorities, kings or governors who are sent by God to punish wrongdoers and commend those who do right. [1PT 2:13-14 & 17 = RM 13:1-5] This does not mean Christians should obey those who command sinful behavior (cf. ACTS 5:27-29).

TOP #136: Freedom in Christ does not mean having a license to sin. [1PT 2:16 = GL 5:13] “Respect” seems to be almost synonymous with submission in EPH 5:21 (TOP #173).

TOP #177: Slaves should submit to masters, considering their suffering to be commendable as following the example of Christ. [1PT 2:18-21 = EPH 6:5, COL 3:22, etc.] Paul said slavery should be viewed as obedience to God.

TOP #294: Christ suffered insults and crucifixion without retaliating or committing any sin so that by his wounds we might be healed. [1PT 2:21-24] While this is similar to TOP #265, its description adds a few details.

TOP #173: Wives should be submissive to husbands, and husbands should in the same way be considerate and respect wives. [1PT3:1&5b-8 = EPH 5:21-33, COL 3:18-19] While submission implies subservience to some, Jesus taught that in the kingdom of God a slave is greater (MT 20:25-28, TOJ #120).

TOP #232: Women should focus on unfading beauty rather than outward adornment. [1PT 3:3-5a = 1TM 2:9-10] An outwardly beautiful woman who lacks inner beauty is like a gold ring in a pig’s snout per PR 11:22.

TOP #64: Live in harmony. [1PT 3:8-9 = RM 12:16-17] This involves being humble rather than seeking revenge. Peter quotes PS 34:12-16 in this regard.

TOP #295: Blessed are those who suffer for doing what is right. [1PT 3:13-14, 3:16-17, 4:1&12-16] Paul spoke of suffering for the gospel (2TM 1:8) and sharing Christ’s suffering (RM 8:17-18), but this is a theme in 1PT (cf. #299) that does not seem to depend on something Paul wrote.

TOP #296: Always be prepared to answer those who ask for the reason for hope of heaven. [1PT 3:15] This means that Christians should be willing to share their testimonies or explain why they believe Jesus is Messiah and Lord.
Your personal opinions go directly against what God reveals to be true in His Word.

Peter was not mistaken when he commanded everyone to be water baptized in the name of Jesus for remission of sin. To promote this belief is outrageous. Expecially since it was Jesus who gave the keys of the kingdom to Peter and instructed Peter to FEED Jesus' sheep and lambs. (John 21) And Peter did just that. He presented those keys to the lambs (Jews) at Pentecost (Acts 2:38-42), and the sheep (Samaritans and Gentiles - Acts 8:12-18, 10:43:48).

In addition, the Apostle Paul was still preaching the need for water baptism in the name of Jesus over 20 years after the command was first given by Peter. Also, it is no coincidence that 12 apostles began sharing this truth, and about 12 men carried forth the same message that continues to be preached today. (Acts 19)
 
A fall is usually viewed as accidental, so you are twisting the meaning to indicate otherwise.
Not at all. OSAS is not Scriptural!! Hence all the warnings…..

Regarding Acts 2:38-39, I already said that the outward work of WB was mistakenly commanded in Acts
before folks realized it is only the inner faith/SB that is salvific (1Cor. 12:13), which is why WB was not commanded in the epistles--including those by Peter.
As I said, there is NO mistake! We have Scriptural command and plenty of examples….plenty of verses that say otherwise.

TOP #179: Through faith Christians are shielded or kept safe during earthly grief and trials by God’s power until the end. [1PT 1:5-6 = EPH 6:10-17] The Ephesians passage includes the shield of faith in a list of other spiritual armor.
However, many times we fail Him, because we are weak, and not perfect. Some may even depart from the faith (falling away). This is why we carry armor.

TOP #83: Like gold that is purified by fire, faith is proved to be genuine as it endures trials. [1PT 1:6-7 = 1CR 3:12-15] Peter described his addressees as those who love Jesus even though they have not seen him, and Jesus said those who suffer persecution because of righteousness should rejoice, because they will be blessed with the kingdom of heaven (MT 5:10-12).
Still, some have fallen away.

““For many are called, but few are chosen.””
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭22‬:‭14‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

TOP #289: The prophets spoke of God’s future grace, because the Spirit of Christ in them revealed his sufferings and the glories that would follow. [1PT 1:10-12] They foretold the gospel that is being preached because of the Holy Spirit sent from heaven. This is the first teaching by Peter that does not merely echo Paul’s epistles. It indicates that the Holy Spirit indwelt believers before Pentecost, although this truth was not realized until taught by Jesus (JN 14-16) and Paul (cf. TOP #27-29).
However, water baptism is still required!

“And now why are you waiting? Arise and be baptized, and wash away your sins, calling on the name of the Lord.’”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭22‬:‭16‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

“There is also an antitype which now saves us—baptism (not the removal of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God), through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,”
‭‭I Peter‬ ‭3‬:‭21‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

TOP #270: Those who have tasted the Lord’s goodness should become mature or strive for complete sanctification. [1PT 2:2-3 = HB 6:4-6] Saving faith (imputed righteousness) not only endures but also strives for moral perfection, although this goal will not be attained until heaven (cf. PHP 3:7-16).
While on earth, we are to be like Christ always, in morality and character.

TOP #153: Christians comprise a spiritual edifice built on Christ as the cornerstone and capstone. [1PT 2:4-8 = EPH 2:18-20] This house is called the church or body of Christ (EPH 3:10 & 4:15-16).
Yes, living stones.


TOP #151: Gentiles are included in God’s plan of salvation. [1PT 2:10 = EPH 2:11-3:6] This truth was described as a mystery in TOP #144.
It was a mystery to the Jews, too. It’s still a mystery to all those not saved.

TOP #293: Christians are spiritual aliens on earth. [1PT 2:11] Paul described Gentiles as alienated from Israel (EPH 2:19 & 3:6), but Peter redefines this term.

TOP #179: Sinful desires war against souls in a spiritual struggle. [1PT 2:11 = EPH 6:10-17] Such desires are described as the devil’s schemes by Paul.

TOP #207: Pagans should be able to see that Christians’ lives are a good witness or reason to believe in God. [1PT 2:12&15 = COL 4:5-6, 1THS 4:12, 1TM 3:7] We will see that good lives may include suffering for Christ.
You mean Gentiles, since the saved are spiritual Jews by adoption. Anyone outside the faith are really still Gentiles.


TOP #177: Slaves should submit to masters, considering their suffering to be commendable as following the example of Christ. [1PT 2:18-21 = EPH 6:5, COL 3:22, etc.] Paul said slavery should be viewed as obedience to God.

TOP #294: Christ suffered insults and crucifixion without retaliating or committing any sin so that by his wounds we might be healed. [1PT 2:21-24] While this is similar to TOP #265, its description adds a few details.

TOP #173: Wives should be submissive to husbands, and husbands should in the same way be considerate and respect wives. [1PT3:1&5b-8 = EPH 5:21-33, COL 3:18-19] While submission implies subservience to some, Jesus taught that in the kingdom of God a slave is greater (MT 20:25-28, TOJ #120).

TOP #232: Women should focus on unfading beauty rather than outward adornment. [1PT 3:3-5a = 1TM 2:9-10] An outwardly beautiful woman who lacks inner beauty is like a gold ring in a pig’s snout per PR 11:22.
Yes, but there is nothing wrong with a little jewelry, braided hair (fixed), and a little makeup to look nice! Even the Jewish women had these things.

Like everything else, we’re to be modest in all things.


TOP #64: Live in harmony. [1PT 3:8-9 = RM 12:16-17] This involves being humble rather than seeking revenge. Peter quotes PS 34:12-16 in this regard.

TOP #295: Blessed are those who suffer for doing what is right. [1PT 3:13-14, 3:16-17, 4:1&12-16] Paul spoke of suffering for the gospel (2TM 1:8) and sharing Christ’s suffering (RM 8:17-18), but this is a theme in 1PT (cf. #299) that does not seem to depend on something Paul wrote.

TOP #296: Always be prepared to answer those who ask for the reason for hope of heaven. [1PT 3:15] This means that Christians should be willing to share their testimonies or explain why they believe Jesus is Messiah and Lord.
Yes, but even more so to be like the noble Bereans to know Scripture so they can identify Truth from heresy.
 
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Please share scripture that references this.

Matthew 3:16 - And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:

Mark 1:10 - And straightway coming up out of the water, he saw the heavens opened, and the Spirit like a dove descending upon him:

Luke 3:22 - And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased.

John 1:32 - And John bare record, saying, I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and it abode upon him.
 
When true Christians leave their faith in another God. By closing your eyes and praying to Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ. Taking the side of truth. By repenting and turning away from sin, the Holy Spirit is received. The Holy Spirit resides only in the Christian believer.
In the Holy Bible, you receive the Holy Spirit the moment you accept Jesus Christ as your Savior.
Accept Jesus wholeheartedly.

John 14:26
King James Version
26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

John 16:7-8
King James Version
7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.

8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:

Ephesians 1:13-14
King James Version
13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

14 Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory. 🕊️

By turn from sin here..do you mean .. know you are a sinner and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, or an act of good works, turning your life around?
 
The Word of God reveals the water and Spirit Jesus referenced; both water and Spirit were involved in the conversion experiences. (Acts 2:38-42, 8:12-18, 10:43-48, 19: 1-7, 9:17-18, 22:16) To refuse to except what the Word itself reveals is not using wisdom. Selah.

Yes, I accept GW and you "except" it.
:oops:
 
Not at all. OSAS is not Scriptural!! Hence all the warnings…..

As I said, there is NO mistake! We have Scriptural command and plenty of examples….plenty of verses that say otherwise.

However, many times we fail Him, because we are weak, and not perfect. Some may even depart from the faith (falling away). This is why we carry armor.

Still, some have fallen away.


““For many are called, but few are chosen.””
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭22‬:‭14‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

However, water baptism is still required!

“And now why are you waiting? Arise and be baptized, and wash away your sins, calling on the name of the Lord.’”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭22‬:‭16‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

“There is also an antitype which now saves us—baptism (not the removal of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God), through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,”
‭‭I Peter‬ ‭3‬:‭21‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

While on earth, we are to be like Christ always, in morality and character.

Yes, living stones.

It was a mystery to the Jews, too. It’s still a mystery to all those not saved.

You mean Gentiles, since the saved are spiritual Jews by adoption. Anyone outside the faith are really still Gentiles.

Yes, but there is nothing wrong with a little jewelry, braided hair (fixed), and a little makeup to look nice! Even the Jewish women had these things.

Like everything else, we’re to be modest in all things.

Yes, but even more so to be like the noble Bereans to know Scripture so they can identify Truth from heresy.

Re OSAS: I am glad you understand it is not Scriptural, but I don't understand why you view apostasy as accidentally falling.

Regarding WB: I see you looping back to Acts, and I have nothing more to add.

The reason I cited the epistles was in hope you would notice there is no command to be WB,
which they would include if it were essential for salvation.
 
Re OSAS: I am glad you understand it is not Scriptural, but I don't understand why you view apostasy as accidentally falling.

Regarding WB: I see you looping back to Acts, and I have nothing more to add.
Not just acts, but other examples.

The reason I cited the epistles was in hope you would notice there is no command to be WB,
You are wrong, see below.

which they would include if it were essential for salvation.
Jesus told the 12 to go out into all nations and make disciples, baptizing them. This was a command!

"Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age." Amen."
Matthew 28:19-20 NKJV

-"And He said to them, "Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature. He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned."
Mark 16:15-16 NKJV

-"Jesus answered and said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God." Jesus answered, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God."
John 3:3, 5 NKJV

All were baptized, also Jesus.

-"When all the people were baptized, it came to pass that Jesus also was baptized; and while He prayed, the heaven was opened. And the Holy Spirit descended in bodily form like a dove upon Him, and a voice came from heaven which said, "You are My beloved Son; in You I am well pleased.""
Luke 3:21-22 NKJV

There are many, many more examples.
 
Not just acts, but other examples.

You are wrong, see below.


Jesus told the 12 to go out into all nations and make disciples, baptizing them. This was a command!


"Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age." Amen."
Matthew 28:19-20 NKJV

-"And He said to them, "Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature. He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned."
Mark 16:15-16 NKJV

-"Jesus answered and said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God." Jesus answered, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God."
John 3:3, 5 NKJV

All were baptized, also Jesus.

-"When all the people were baptized, it came to pass that Jesus also was baptized; and while He prayed, the heaven was opened. And the Holy Spirit descended in bodily form like a dove upon Him, and a voice came from heaven which said, "You are My beloved Son; in You I am well pleased.""
Luke 3:21-22 NKJV

There are many, many more examples.

What examples later than the Gospels and Acts (which were in the transitional period from OT to Gospel)--
IOW, from the epistles of Paul, Peter and John?

I already explained why John 3:3-5 must refer to being born physically and spiritually.

Again, you seem rather logical, so I hoped you would realize that because there is no command to be WB in the epistles,
it must not be essential for salvation but rather symbolic of SB (1Cor. 12:13, Eph. 4:4-6, Rom. 5:5, 8:9).
 
What examples later than the Gospels and Acts (which were in the transitional period from OT to Gospel)--
IOW, from the epistles of Paul, Peter and John?

I already explained why John 3:3-5 must refer to being born physically and spiritually.

Again, you seem rather logical, so I hoped you would realize that because there is no command to be WB in the epistles,
it must not be essential for salvation but rather symbolic of SB (1Cor. 12:13, Eph. 4:4-6, Rom. 5:5, 8:9).
Wow, I’m sorry you don’t see it! I have many, many verses.

-"Then those who gladly received his word were baptized; and that day about 3000 souls were added to them. And they continued steadfastly in the apostles’ doctrine and fellowship, in the breaking of bread, and in prayers."
Acts 2:41-42 NKJV

-"Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death? Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. For if we have been united together in the likeness of His death, certainly we also shall be in the likeness of His resurrection,"
Romans 6:3-5 NKJV

-"There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called in one hope of your calling; one Lord, one faith, one baptism; one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all."
Ephesians 4:4-6 NKJV

-"In Him you were also circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of the sins of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ, buried with Him in baptism, in which you also were raised with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead."
Colossians 2:11-12 NKJV

-"There is also an antitype which now saves us—baptism (not the removal of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God), through the resurrection of Jesus Christ, who has gone into heaven and is at the right hand of God, angels and authorities and powers having been made subject to Him."
I Peter 3:21-22 NKJV

-"This is He who came by water and blood—Jesus Christ; not only by water, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit who bears witness, because the Spirit is truth. For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one. And there are three that bear witness on earth: the Spirit, the water, and the blood; and these three agree as one."
I John 5:6-8 NKJV
 
The warnings are not about losing one's status of justified. God is not a fickle judge.
Jesus said: “Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit....If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned." John 15:2, 6
*A branch cannot be cut off unless it was first connected.


Paul said: “Behold the goodness and severity of God: toward thee, Goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.” Romans 11:22
*This warning was given to those who were already born again.

Hebrews 3:12 says:“Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departingfrom the living God.”
*A person cannot depart from somewhere they have never been.

It was the Apostle Paul who said, "But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway." 1 Cor 9:25
*The meaning of the Hebrew word adokimos (ad-ok'-ee-mos) translated Castaway in this scripture is "unapproved, i.e. rejected; by implication, worthless (literally or morally): KJV - castaway, rejected, reprobate. (Strong's Numbers and Concordance Expanded Greek-Hebrew Dictionary)
 
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The reply function wasn't working when I attempted to reply to your comment in post 50.

Thank you for the scripture references you posted; Matt 3:16, Mark 1:10, Luke 3:22, John 1:32. However, they do not support the idea that Jesus lacked the Holy Ghost until that moment. What they record is the sign promised to John the Baptist that would confirm the identity of the Son of God:

"And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost. And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God." John 1:33-34
 
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