Scripture please: Book, chapter and verse.
I understand full of grace to mean that she was entirely sanctified and l would expect nothing less in the caretaker of the Son of God. Not a catholic BTW.
Scripture please: Book, chapter and verse.
You got a problem..Mary was never defined as being "full of grace" in Gods Word...Jesus wasI understand full of grace to mean that she was entirely sanctified and l would expect nothing less in the caretaker of the Son of God. Not a catholic BTW.
It gets so weird trying to discuss the bible with those that have been taught
catholic doctrine...its like they believe stuff that is so unbiblical its hard to
reason with them in the truth of scripture. Im mean there is nothing more
unbiblical than these doctrines about mary..yet they cling to them as fact...
Its hard to understand?
From http://www.theologicaleditions.com/Features/mother-teresa.htmI think not..... Archbishop Lucas Sirkar of Calcutta said it best: "Those who are questioning the faith of the Mother have no idea of what is spiritual life. The more you move forward in the path to saintliness or holiness, the more you have to struggle against that which is not holy." And then we have Sister Nirmala, Mother Teresa's successor and superior general of the Missionaries of Charity, added that what Mother Teresa went through is "A trial few souls go through. The light is so strong and the human capacity is so less. What happens when you look at the blazing sun? You are blinded. It’s like that."
This is were I suggest you go back and take a long hard read on my last sentence of post #99.
Whether it’s like an eclipse or being blinded, many devout and saintly people feel God has deserted them. The ancient Jewish prayer songs, the Psalms, are full of such allusions and Jesus utters one of these psalms questioning why God has forsaken him as he dies on the cross.
The sixteenth century Spanish poet and mystic, St. John of the Cross, goes further. He advises deliberately casting aside bodily pleasures and desires and emptying ourselves of spiritual feelings and thoughts – "the dark night of the soul". Instead, he says, we must "lean upon dark faith, taking it for guide and light". He explains how this period of dark faith is a painful time of apprehension and despair when God is purifying us so we might be ready for a new life in union with him.
St Teresa of Avila, the sixteenth century mystic and friend of St John, went through 18 years of emptiness before her "soul was full of light", while the most widely read spiritual writer, Trappist monk Thomas Merton, prayed, "I have no idea where I am going. I do not see the road ahead of me."
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The depth of Mother Teresa's doubts could be viewed by nonbelievers and skeptics like yourself as more evidence of the emptiness of religious belief. But Catholic scholars and supporters of the woman who toiled in Calcutta's slums and called herself "a pencil in God's hand" argue that her struggles make her more accessible and her work all the more remarkable."It shows that she wasn't a plaster-of-Paris saint who never had a doubt about God or the ultimate meaning of life," said the Rev. Richard McBrien, a University of Notre Dame theology professor and author of "Lives of the Saints." "This can only enhance her reputation as a saintly person with people who aren't easily impressed with pious stories. Those who think otherwise have a lot of learning to do about the complexities of life and about the nature of faith."
Ultimately what it comes down to Utah, is that Mother Teresa's struggles will demonstrate faith isn't about feeling, it's about will.
I understand full of grace to mean that she was entirely sanctified and l would expect nothing less in the caretaker of the Son of God. Not a catholic BTW.
lol where's waldo, nobody knows, why don't you quit trying to see who went to hell and worry about your own salvation
If it were not for the Tradition of the Catholic Church, you would have no Bible. Authority of Scripture is a Tradition, which proves you haven't a clue what you are talking about.-
John Q. and Jane Doe pew warmer are taught to believe that the Bible
means what Rome says it means; rather than to believe what the Bible
actually says in writing.
CCC 85 . .The task of giving an authentic interpretation of the Word of God,
whether in its written form or in the form of Tradition, has been entrusted to
the living teaching office of the Church alone.
Note the word "Tradition" in CCC 85. It's there because the Church does not
rely upon the Bible alone for its beliefs and practices; hence, neither do John
Q. and Jane Doe pew warmer. They are taught to believe that Rome's
traditions are just as much the "Word of God" as the Bible.
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Joh 1:14 is not contested. "Full of Grace" also appears in Luke 1:28.You got a problem..Mary was never defined as being "full of grace" in Gods Word...Jesus was
Joh 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
The bible was written and read..long before the catholic church ever organized ... Authority of scripture is a concept drawn from the Old Testament and the scriptures themselves ....If it were not for the Tradition of the Catholic Church, you would have no Bible. Authority of Scripture is a Tradition, which proves you haven't a clue what you are talking about.
Joh 1:14 is not contested. "Full of Grace" also appears in Luke 1:28.
Protestants are hostile to the notions of Mary’s freedom from actual sin and her Immaculate Conception (in which God freed her from original sin from the moment of her conception) because they feel that this makes her a sort of goddess and improperly set apart from the rest of humanity. They do not believe that it was fitting for God to set her apart in such a manner, even for the purpose of being the Mother of Jesus Christ, and don’t see that this is “fitting” or “appropriate” (as Catholics do).
The great Baptist Greek scholar A.T. Robertson exhibits a Protestant perspective, but is objective and fair-minded, in commenting on this verse as follows:
“Highly favoured” (kecharitomene). Perfect passive participle of charitoo and means endowed with grace (charis), enriched with grace as in Ephesians. 1:6, . . . The Vulgate gratiae plena “is right, if it means ‘full of grace which thou hast received’; wrong, if it means ‘full of grace which thou hast to bestow’” (Plummer).(Word Pictures in the New Testament, Nashville: Broadman Press, 1930, six volumes, Vol. II, 13)
Kecharitomene has to do with God’s grace, as it is derived from the Greek root, charis (literally, “grace”). Greek scholar Marvin R. Vincent noted that even Wycliffe and Tyndale (no enthusiastic supporters of the Catholic Church) both rendered kecharitomene in Luke 1:28 as “full of grace” and that the literal meaning was “endued with grace” (Word Studies in the New Testament, Grand Rapids, MI: Eerdmans, 1946, four volumes, from 1887 edition: New York: Charles Scribner’s Sons; Vol. I, 259).
Likewise, well-known Protestant linguist W.E. Vine, defines it as “to endue with Divine favour or grace”
(An Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words, Old Tappan, NJ: Fleming H. Revell Co., four volumes-in-one edition, 1940, Vol. II, 171).
All these men (except Wycliffe, who probably would have been, had he lived in the 16th century or after it) are Protestants, and so cannot be accused of Catholic translation bias.
read more here The Bible: Mary Was Without Sin
It gets so weird trying to discuss the bible with those that have been taught catholic doctrine...its like they believe stuff that is so unbiblical its hard to reason with them in the truth of scripture. Im mean there is nothing more unbiblical than these doctrines about mary..yet they cling to them as fact... Its hard to understand?
We are to judge those who claim to be inside the Church. Mother Teresa claimed to be a Christian and we have every right to judge her for what she did.
We have judges her DiscipleDave and have found she was a false brother. A Wolf in sheep clothing.
Matthew 7:15-20
[SUP]15 [/SUP] “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves.
[SUP]16 [/SUP] You will recognize them by their fruits. Are grapes gathered from thornbushes, or figs from thistles?
[SUP]17 [/SUP] So, every healthy tree bears good fruit, but the diseased tree bears bad fruit.
[SUP]18 [/SUP] A healthy tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a diseased tree bear good fruit.
[SUP]19 [/SUP] Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.
[SUP]20 [/SUP] Thus you will recognize them by their fruits.
Mother Teresa was a false prophet DiscipleDave.
I judge Mother Teresa on the basis of her Worshiping Mary as her god. No one who follows and Worships Mary as their god can ever Inherit the Kingdom of God.
1 Corinthians 5:11-13
[SUP]11 [/SUP] But now I am writing to you not to associate with anyone who bears the name of brother if he is guilty of sexual immorality or greed, or is an idolater, reviler, drunkard, or swindler—not even to eat with such a one.
[SUP]12 [/SUP] For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Is it not those inside the church whom you are to judge?
[SUP]13 [/SUP] God judges those outside. “Purge the evil person from among you.”
We are to judge those who claim to be our brother in Christ. Therefore by the deeds of Mother Teresa in the Worshiping of Mary has her god I can judge her for what she has done.
Mother Teresa will never enter into the Kingdom of God. The Lake of Fire is where she will spend Eternity.
Just because a person devotes their life in helping the poor people does not equate with being a Child of God and entering into Heaven.
Only by accepting Jesus as your Lord and Savior can anyone enter in.
Mother Teresa never accepted Salvation because Catholicism teaches a person can only receive Salvation after they die.
Also an Idolater will never be allowed to enter in.
Mother Teresa worship Mary. Mother Teresa prayed to Mary.
Clearly Mother Teresa was an Idolater.
Like it or not, she will never enter into Heaven because of her sin of worshiping Mary as her god.
I attended Catholic church for years and what you have said about salvation is simply not true. Clearly, Mother Teresa was a humble servant of the Lord.
It says in the bible that faith without works is a dead faith. The life of Mother Teresa exemplifies what it means to be a Christian. It is only because she was a Catholic that others, from their own arrogance, condemn her to hell.
In the Book of James Faith without works is not talking about Salvation which clearly is a gift from God. The Faith without works is about our Justification.
James 2:18-24
[SUP]18 [/SUP] But someone will say, "You have faith, and I have works." Show me your faith without your works, and I will show you my faith by my works.
[SUP]19 [/SUP] You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe--and tremble!
[SUP]20 [/SUP] But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is dead?
[SUP]21 [/SUP] Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar?
[SUP]22 [/SUP] Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made perfect?
[SUP]23 [/SUP] And the Scripture was fulfilled which says, "Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness." And he was called the friend of God.
[SUP]24 [/SUP] You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only.
This passage in James is not talking about receiving Salvation by works. This passage is talking about being Justified by our works!
We receive Justification by the good works we do.
Ephesians 2:8-9
[SUP]8 [/SUP] For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God,
[SUP]9 [/SUP] not of works, lest anyone should boast.
Salvation is received by Faith and Grace and is a gift from God.
How can Mother Teresa be a humble servant of God when she Worshiped Mary as her god tourist?
We are not condemning Mother Teresa to hell. We are pointing out that a person cannot Inherit the Kingdom of God who practices Idolatry like Mother Teresa did by her worship of Mary.
Galatians 5:19-21
[SUP]19 [/SUP] Now the works of the flesh are evident: sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality,
[SUP]20 [/SUP] idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, rivalries, dissensions, divisions,
[SUP]21 [/SUP] envy, drunkenness, orgies, and things like these. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.