True but like in one your posts you were talking about Jupiter and Hermes how that one is right and one is wrong. But in reality they are the same entities just different names.
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True but like in one your posts you were talking about Jupiter and Hermes how that one is right and one is wrong. But in reality they are the same entities just different names.
Maybe, but 70 is not 75, for example
And YHWH is not Jehova, book of life is not the tree of life etc etc.
yes, I agree that God's word is preserved forever
PSALMS 119:89 For ever, O LORD, thy word is settled in heaven.
I believe that what we see on earth is a reflection of that
1 CORINTHIANS 13:12 Now we see a blurred image in a mirror. Then we will see very clearly. Now my knowledge is incomplete. Then I will have complete knowledge as God has complete knowledge of me.
So you are not even sure if texts copied only a few hundred years after the original are perfect. ]
You are also then claiming that God decided to wait nearly 1600 years to decided that 17th century English is His prefered perfect language and it would only be at that time would God provide the perfect writings of Holy Scripture. That means for thousands of years the Torah etc are all inaccurate?
Do you not realise how much this proves to other people that you are part of a brainwashed deluded cult?
Im interested in what you're saying, please elaborate on "70 is not 75".Maybe, but 70 is not 75, for example
well... the lxx matches.
here's an English translation
Esaias
that's the entire book, scroll down to chapter 61
Daniel 3:25 ►Text Analysis
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[TD="class: top, width: 17%"]Str[/TD]
[TD="class: top, width: 20%"]Translit[/TD]
[TD="class: top, width: 20%"]Hebrew[/TD]
[TD="class: top, width: 25%"]English[/TD]
[TD="class: top, width: 18%"]Morph[/TD]
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[TR]
[TD="class: strongsnt"]6032 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]‘ā-nêh[/TD]
[TD="class: hebrew2"]עָנֵ֣ה[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"]He answered[/TD]
[TD="class: pos"]Verb[/TD]
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[TR]
[TD="class: strongsnt"]560 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]wə-’ā-mar,[/TD]
[TD="class: hebrew2"]וְאָמַ֗ר[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"]and said[/TD]
[TD="class: pos"]Verb[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: strongsnt"]1888 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]hā-[/TD]
[TD="class: hebrew2"]הָֽא־[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"]see[/TD]
[TD="class: pos"]Prt[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: strongsnt"]576 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]’ă-nāh[/TD]
[TD="class: hebrew2"]אֲנָ֨ה[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"]I [am][/TD]
[TD="class: pos"]Pro[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: strongsnt"]2370 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]ḥā-zêh[/TD]
[TD="class: hebrew2"]חָזֵ֜ה[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"]see[/TD]
[TD="class: pos"]Verb[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: strongsnt"]1400 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]guḇ-rîn[/TD]
[TD="class: hebrew2"]גֻּבְרִ֣ין[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"]men[/TD]
[TD="class: pos"]Noun[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: strongsnt"]703 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]’ar-bə-‘āh,[/TD]
[TD="class: hebrew2"]אַרְבְּעָ֗ה[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"]four[/TD]
[TD="class: pos"]Noun[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: strongsnt"]8271 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]šə-ra-yin[/TD]
[TD="class: hebrew2"]שְׁרַ֙יִן֙[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"]loose[/TD]
[TD="class: pos"]Verb[/TD]
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[TR]
[TD="class: strongsnt"]1981 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]mah-lə-ḵîn[/TD]
[TD="class: hebrew2"]מַהְלְכִ֣ין[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"]walking[/TD]
[TD="class: pos"]Verb[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: strongsnt"]1459 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]bə-ḡō-w-[/TD]
[TD="class: hebrew2"]בְּגֽוֹא־[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"]in the middle[/TD]
[TD="class: pos"]Noun[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: strongsnt"]5135 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]nū-rā,[/TD]
[TD="class: hebrew2"]נוּרָ֔א[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"]of the fire[/TD]
[TD="class: pos"]Noun[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: strongsnt"]2257 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]wa-ḥă-ḇāl[/TD]
[TD="class: hebrew2"]וַחֲבָ֖ל[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"]and hurt[/TD]
[TD="class: pos"]Noun[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: strongsnt"]3809 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]lā-[/TD]
[TD="class: hebrew2"]לָא־[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"]not[/TD]
[TD="class: pos"]Adv[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: strongsnt"]383 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]’î-ṯay[/TD]
[TD="class: hebrew2"]אִיתַ֣י[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"]they have[/TD]
[TD="class: pos"]Prt[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: strongsnt"] [/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]bə-hō-wn;[/TD]
[TD="class: hebrew2"]בְּה֑וֹן[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"]in[/TD]
[TD="class: pos"]Prep[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: strongsnt"]7299 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]wə-rê-wêh[/TD]
[TD="class: hebrew2"]וְרֵוֵהּ֙[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"]and the form[/TD]
[TD="class: pos"]Noun[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: strongsnt"]1768 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]dî[/TD]
[TD="class: hebrew2"]דִּ֣י[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"]of[/TD]
[TD="class: pos"]Prt[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: strongsnt"] [/TD]
[TD="class: translit"][rə-ḇî-‘ā-yā[/TD]
[TD="class: hebrew2"][רְבִיעָיָא[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"] - [/TD]
[TD="class: pos"] [/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: strongsnt"] [/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]ḵ][/TD]
[TD="class: hebrew2"]כ][/TD]
[TD="class: eng"] - [/TD]
[TD="class: pos"] [/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: strongsnt"]7244 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"](rə-ḇî-‘ā-’āh,[/TD]
[TD="class: hebrew2"](רְֽבִיעָאָ֔ה[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"]the fourth[/TD]
[TD="class: pos"]Adj[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: strongsnt"] [/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]q)[/TD]
[TD="class: hebrew2"]ק)[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"] - [/TD]
[TD="class: pos"] [/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: strongsnt"]1821 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]dā-mêh[/TD]
[TD="class: hebrew2"]דָּמֵ֖ה[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"]is like[/TD]
[TD="class: pos"]Verb[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: strongsnt"]1247 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]lə-ḇar-[/TD]
[TD="class: hebrew2"]לְבַר־[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"]the Son[/TD]
[TD="class: pos"]Noun[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: strongsnt"]426 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]’ĕ-lā-hîn.[/TD]
[TD="class: hebrew2"]אֱלָהִֽין׃[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"]of God[/TD]
[TD="class: pos"]Noun[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: strongsnt"] [/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]s[/TD]
[TD="class: hebrew2"]ס[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"] - [/TD]
[TD="class: pos"] [/TD]
[/TR]
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Please, look there: Quick Christian Source - KJV Infallibility Refuted
Those are my pages so that I do not have to write it all again and again during various discussions
Biblehub is, IMHO, one of the best sources... paralel, hebrew, greek, interlinear, connection to lexicons... good source
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Re-read my post. I disagree with you as to the assurance that we will have every word, punctuation mark, etc preserved EXACTLY like the writers penned it....
Thanks I'll check it out during my flight.Please, look there: Quick Christian Source - KJV Infallibility Refuted
Those are my pages so that I do not have to write it all again and again during various discussions
" I believe the word of God is a concept, not the words written on the page."
I agree
for some folks, the best way to absorb God's word is the kjv
others benefit from modern translations
Especially when we all recognize that the English language wasn't even invented when those words were penned.
So, when you click on ’ĕ-lā-hîn. - you see that is in fact "plural" and not singular. This also shows the 9 instances in Daniel this very same exact word was used and the KJV mis-translated it for sure. They added their "bias" and "interpretation" to the text.
I'm not going to throw out the KJV because of it. All translations have some sort of a bias in some places.
This is why the Lord has given us tools in this modern age for those that want to study further into the scriptures when the Holy Spirit witnesses inside our spirit .."That's not quite accurate"....it makes us search to be Bereans. It's a good thing....All is well....
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That is a bit more difficult, as it won't let me copy the same way when the text is all backwards .p
He answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God
עָנֵה וְאָמַר הָֽא־אֲנָה חָזֵה גֻּבְרִין אַרְבְּעָה שְׁרַיִן מַהְלְכִין
בְּגֹֽוא־נוּרָא וַחֲבָל לָא־אִיתַי בְּהֹון וְרֵוֵהּ דִּי רביעיא דָּמֵה
לְבַר־אֱלָהִֽין׃ ס
Reverse Interlinear
| He answered |  | h6032 | עֲנָה `anah (Aramaic) |
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| and said | | h560 | אֲמַר 'amar (Aramaic) |
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| Lo | | h1888 | הָא he' (Aramaic) |
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| I | | h576 | אֲנָא 'ana' (Aramaic) |
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| see | | h2370 | חֲזָא chaza' (Aramaic) |
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| four | | h703 | אַרְבַּע 'arba` (Aramaic) |
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| men | | h1400 | גְּבַר gĕbar (Aramaic) |
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| loose | | h8271 | שְׂרָה shĕre' (Aramaic) |
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| walking | | h1981 | הֲלַךְ halak (Aramaic) |
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| in the midst | | h1459 | גַּו gav (Aramaic) |
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| of the fire | | h5135 | נוּר nuwr (Aramaic) |
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| and they have | | h383 | אִיתַי 'iythay (Aramaic) |
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| no | | h3809 | לָא la' (Aramaic) |
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| hurt | | h2257 | חֲבַל chabal (Aramaic) |
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| and the form | | h7299 | רֵו rev (Aramaic) |
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| of the fourth | | h7244 | רְבִיעַי rĕbiy`ay (Aramaic) |
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| is like | | h1821 | דְּמָה dĕmah (Aramaic) |
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| the Son | | h1247 | בַּר bar (Aramaic) |
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| of God | | h426 | אֱלָהּ 'elahh (Aramaic) |
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לְבַר־אֱלָהִֽין׃ ס
I believe that the KJV is the exact English words God used to preserve His words in the English language. There is no "better" way to say what God has said.