Originally Posted by know1
Yes, in Him we have the Father and therefore should pray to the Father in Jesus' name.
I think I understand where you're coming from but I still see a flaw in your logic. A person can still think they are a Child of God, praying to Jesus, and yet not know Him. Just because you pray to Jesus does not mean you are born again and going to heaven.
Righteousness is not based upon prayer or even our works, but on Christ being in you.
But to those who are truly born again, the scriptures are very clear that you should pray to the Father in the name of Jesus.
Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
"This verse has to do with those who call on the name of, or pray to, Jesus."
Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? [Or I prayed to you every day]
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
All in all, it's not about who you pray to, but who you have in you. Like you said, 'in Him you've got the Father'.
This verse has to do with those who call on the name of, or pray to, Jesus."
That right there is you saying that calling on the name of Jesus IS praying to Jesus.....right there.....just above my line here....That is what I am saying is wrong.....calling on and praying to are different...you say they are the same right there.....in the big font above my text right here......that's wrong....
I think that in your case Know1 it is less difficult to identify the error I pointed out than you let on. You seem quite bright and surely can see the mistake.....
Yes, in Him we have the Father and therefore should pray to the Father in Jesus' name.
I think I understand where you're coming from but I still see a flaw in your logic. A person can still think they are a Child of God, praying to Jesus, and yet not know Him. Just because you pray to Jesus does not mean you are born again and going to heaven.
Righteousness is not based upon prayer or even our works, but on Christ being in you.
But to those who are truly born again, the scriptures are very clear that you should pray to the Father in the name of Jesus.
Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
"This verse has to do with those who call on the name of, or pray to, Jesus."
Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? [Or I prayed to you every day]
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
All in all, it's not about who you pray to, but who you have in you. Like you said, 'in Him you've got the Father'.
This verse has to do with those who call on the name of, or pray to, Jesus."
That right there is you saying that calling on the name of Jesus IS praying to Jesus.....right there.....just above my line here....That is what I am saying is wrong.....calling on and praying to are different...you say they are the same right there.....in the big font above my text right here......that's wrong....
I think that in your case Know1 it is less difficult to identify the error I pointed out than you let on. You seem quite bright and surely can see the mistake.....
I commend you sir on your post, and thank you, I now see your point and my flaw. I sit corrected. I still believe my theology to be correct but my interpretation of this scripture to be incorrect/wrong. I apologize for the error, and again, thank you.
"in that day", I believe is referring to the time when they are either dead or standing before the throne of God wondering why they are not going to or why they are not in heaven. This does not have to do with praying to Jesus. Again, I apologize for the error.
I was trying to move away from the subject of who you pray to and move towards who is in you that matters. If Jesus never new you then it didn't matter who you prayed to when you were on earth. According to scripture though, if we have a petition, it is to be directed to the Father through the mediator's name. That being Jesus.
As for speaking/talking to Jesus or the Holy Ghost, I don't see anything in scripture forbidding that. Nor commanding something to be done in Jesus' name.
