Who has the moral authority to lecture Russia?

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I don't want to get into politics. Politics tears people apart and makes them enemies. All I know is the people of Ukraine finally had enough corruption and took charge of their own destiny like the United States did in 1776. My family left Ukraine because of poverty and corruption and complete anarchy after the fall of the USSR. It was impossible to live there. We left to live in USA while 46 million people stayed there to deal with the corruption. Finally those 46 million people had enough. God Bless them.
 
David_1 said:
Would it be better for Christians to abstain from politics, like they did before the 'Moral Majority' was invented as a con-job to manipulate American Christians?
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this is exactly what the godless forces in our society would want us to do...

'just stay out of politics christians...we don't want you representing christ in that aspect of life...we don't want you coming against the gates of hell there...just concede the field of politics to satan...and don't worry...we'll be along shortly to exclude christians from other aspects of life too'
 
RachelBibleStudent said:
this is exactly what the godless forces in our society would want us to do...

'just stay out of politics christians...we don't want you representing christ in that aspect of life...we don't want you coming against the gates of hell there...just concede the field of politics to satan...and don't worry...we'll be along shortly to exclude christians from other aspects of life too'
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I'd have more respect for that position, if you all didn't vote for the party of Satan, and expect that Christians only vote for the party of Satan.

The reason why many true Christians abstained, was because all sides are polluted with graft and corruption. You vote Democrat, you end up with an LBJ. You vote Republican, you end up with [insert all Republican Presidents going back to the 1970s].

I respect discernment, wisdom and truth. I also respect when someone says: I have to bow out, because there is sin all over the place.

I do not respect the fools and hypocrites on this forum who lie about Obama, make up wicked false conspiracies and who only back Republicans. (They also tend to be racist gun nuts too).

None of this junk is in the Bible. So people need to stop saying the Republicans = God approved ideas. Because it's the opposite. People are calling Evil, good... and it's not on!
 
David_1 said:
I'd have more respect for that position, if you all didn't vote for the party of Satan, and expect that Christians only vote for the party of Satan.
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DONT VOTE FOR THAT PARTY OF SATAN, VOTE FOR THIS PARTY OF SATAN. Puhleeze.
 
David_1 said:
I'd have more respect for that position, if you all didn't vote for the party of Satan, and expect that Christians only vote for the party of Satan.

The reason why many true Christians abstained, was because all sides are polluted with graft and corruption. You vote Democrat, you end up with an LBJ. You vote Republican, you end up with [insert all Republican Presidents going back to the 1970s].

I respect discernment, wisdom and truth. I also respect when someone says: I have to bow out, because there is sin all over the place.

I do not respect the fools and hypocrites on this forum who lie about Obama, make up wicked false conspiracies and who only back Republicans. (They also tend to be racist gun nuts too).

None of this junk is in the Bible. So people need to stop saying the Republicans = God approved ideas. Because it's the opposite. People are calling Evil, good... and it's not on!
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Even doing nothing is doing something.

Not voting seems like an even more dangerous thing to do than to it is to vote making an informed decision - knowing the candidate stinks.

You seem to overestimate how much religious affiliation has to do with how someone votes - God isn't a republican, and I don't know anyone (republican or democrat) who tries to make that claim that doesn't get laughed out of town.
 
Really this topic is not too bad a question to ask. Let's not muddle it with meaningless American Parties who at this geo-politic level are pretty much irrelevant. For the moment America does not have the moral authority to lecture Russia and also we can assume America never did for the sake of argument. This however is a much more complex problem and right now America is very much irrelevant. If we assume America has no moral obligation to tell Russia what to do, and this seems to be fact seeing as Russia has just occupied Crimea. Then ask; does America have obligation to its allies and other agreements pertaining to Ukraine? If Ukraine's new fledgling government asks for America's help this is when America becomes crucially relevant as America must decide.

And of course there is a whole lot of other ill factors in this equation seeing as Ukraine is in a state of flux, their interim government is only about a week old, Putin has all ready occupied Crimea, thus all ready has a foothold. The individuals there probably are in a state of high emotion given the protests, government overthrow, and now invasion in such a brief space of time. Also don't forget their overthrown leader Yanukovych now sits as a pawn in Putin's hands in Russia.

Overall its not that we should hate Putin, Obama, Russia or Ukraine, or America or anyone at this point. At this point we must hope WW3 does not break out. The threat is not America whining about about Putin's adventures. The threat is that America and Britain might be morally obligated to fight Russia in the event the fresh new and very weak and vulnerable Ukrainian interim government were to ask America and Britain (and pretty much all of NATO in a war of this nature) to go to war because of agreements they signed. Paradoxically, if America and Britain refuse to go to war they will have then broken their moral authority more by violating their agreements to Ukraine and might embolden Putin whom clearly has some ambitions. So it is a very tricky situation still. And there seems to still be time to defuse it so just hold on a minute because America hasn't been asked to go to war yet and there has been no bloodshed, thankfully.
 
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Hello there from east Europe,
lat me just say samothing about situation and little bit of historic facts and background ...

Crimea was always kinda mostly russian country.
Formelly, this was changed in 1954, when nikita khrushchev (former president of zssr …or for recent birth people russia) unaccountably gave the Crimea to Ukraine. Maybe cause he (khruschev) had Ukrainian origin and was always close to Ukraine. Also he had a wife Ukrainian and when he was young he worked there in the mines and also led local communists. Well, when later after the collapse of the USSR in 1991 Jeľcin (Yeltsin) became president, everybody expected him to take back Crimea into Russia, but surprisingly it did not happen.

But, there was at that time a referendum whether Crimeans want to be part of Ukraine or not. There was a really interesting voting (approx half against and half for it).
You know what? Ukraine have two languages, russian and ucrainian. And guess what language people speak in Crimea, yep russian …because there are more than 60% russian nationality people there and the rest are tatars and ucrainians cca about 20-24% only.
Putin not gonna connect crimea to russia, I think (but Im little bit optimistic here)Still, I think that it will be enough for Russia, if Crimea become independent republic.

Why?
Because they (Krym) will sure to become part of Eurasian Union. As it goes for rest of ucraine, they are seeking EU membership and for Russia is EU kinda enemy, I mean not enemy but definitely not allies what they would like. Therefore Russia wants to as many countries as can be in Eurasian Union, which they are part of, so that this union can be as strongest as possible. Now, don’t confuse European Union with Eurasian Union.

There is big big difference between the two of them (eu and eau) not just in political meaning, but also in routing, in spirit, in the foundation…its too complicated for me right know to describe this all. But what is important, is that Euroasian unia is just …ok.. how can I put it…they are on basis of Stalin, anti-Christian ..anti-Jewish, weird just not really europian at all…aahm.. in brief -just bad.. bad bad bad. Bad news for rest of normal classic good old europa, if you know what I mean…

I don’t know, whith what made you feed the media in the U.S., but here in europe we all know this old history of crimea. We also know, that Crimea asked the Russians for help, or intervention. In Crimea people take photos with russian soldiers. So that’s about that.
The rest of Ucraina, its already quite a different story…

I'm writing this because it is quite likely that there will be no war so you can stop wondering what should usa do. Also Putin is not that stupid (as he sometimes seems to be..).


And we know that (europa). And therefore we did not initiate any kind of action nor give any serious sanction (yet)

And therefore Obama shoud wait with any kind of radical or political action or declaration as he used to do (honestly I find his speeches really ridiculous and kinda hmmmmmmm naive? Don’t wanna say stupid…)

What we can do is .. we can pray.. we should pray.

Of course, I was always a bit of an optimist in these matters, but I really do not think that there are going to be 3WW :)


sorry for english (not even my third language, so I know that it is poor..)


Be blessed
 
Thanks guestno2. From what you say, it's similar to what I understand of the situation.

I think the old days of ceasing land is finished. Much more important to create these 'economic ties' to build your empire. This is what Russia wants to do, to have an economic alliance with the Ukraine.
 
David_1 said:
Thanks guestno2. From what you say, it's similar to what I understand of the situation.

I think the old days of ceasing land is finished. Much more important to create these 'economic ties' to build your empire. This is what Russia wants to do, to have an economic alliance with the Ukraine.
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Same old song and dance, but the venue has been changed.

We want to get away from the impact of human nature, but human nature has a way of disrupting those plans.
 
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