Who is Babylon the Great Harlot?

[eternally-gratefull]

The woman is not Israel; you said the Jews repent of the sins mid-week in one of your posts.

I did not say mid week. I said during the week. I do not know when the 144000 are saved. your making assumptions.

And if the woman is not isreal, and not the church, who is she?

Then that would make the Jews Christians and of the church, as there is one baptism one body the church, and one spiritual drink.

The woman is the church and the seed is her fruit.

The woman can;t be the church, For the church did not give birth to Christ, The church is the womans offspring. And the church is persecuted, killed and suffers great tribulation while the woman is protected. You have a major flaw ith your belief. Not to mention, are you not the one who preaches pre-trib rapture> if there is a pre-trib rapture, there is no church (jew or gentile) at the beginning of this period now is there?

 

[CER]

The Whore of Babylon is the false religon that will arise in the time of the antichrist, and may be an actual priestess, reviving the ancient worship of some pagan divinity like Ashtar. All the world will be forced to join this religon or die. Perhaps the pagan priestess-prostitution temples will be revived, and blood sacrifices.

 

[peterT]

Alot of assumptions here. And alot of ignoring what the passage says. When your ready to discuss it. let me know. If you want to continue to twist what I say and make assumptions which are false. there is no need to go further.

The people who endure do endure in Faith, the people who are martyred and suffer great tribulation do so because they have great faith and do not recieve the mark.

But the point is, The passage says God will protect the woman. So how could the woman be the church (true) when the passage says clearly the church will be persecuted, killed and suffer great tribulation. Seems like you want to ignore this fact!

It was a question and I was asking your point, not twisting your words.

The ones that flee to the wilderness God protects and feeds.

And You just have to look at the news to see who flees in times of trouble, the children, the old men and women, and their carers, the church of God the woman in the wilderness. And her fruit her seed are the men or the ones that have the heart or the calling of God that love not their lives unto the death. that stay and preach the gospel and deal with the antichrist and the tribulation, the fruit/seed of the woman is the fruit of the church, and the church is the woman

 

[peterT]

I did not say mid week. I said during the week. I do not know when the 144000 are saved. your making assumptions.

And if the woman is not isreal, and not the church, who is she?



The woman can;t be the church, For the church did not give birth to Christ, The church is the womans offspring. And the church is persecuted, killed and suffers great tribulation while the woman is protected. You have a major flaw ith your belief. Not to mention, are you not the one who preaches pre-trib rapture> if there is a pre-trib rapture, there is no church (jew or gentile) at the beginning of this period now is there?

I never said the woman is not the church, the woman is the church. where did you get that from? Now I could say you are twisting my words.

If a Jew gats saved and grafted back in again the he is a part of the Christian church of God. So no matter how you look at it the woman in the wilderness is the church, for we all baptized into one body, there is only one body the church.

1 Corinthians 12:12 For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.
13For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
Colossians 1:24 Who now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up that which is behind of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh for his body's sake, which is the church:

Not to mention, are you not the one who preaches pre-trib rapture> if there is a pre-trib rapture, there is no church (jew or gentile) at the beginning of this period now is there?

Sorry I don’t know what you are talking about, No I don’t preach a pre-trib rapture and what as a pre-trib rapture got to do with this?

The Jews of old gave birth to Christ the sacrificial lamb, Chapter 12 is talking about the last days, Christ who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron.

 

[peterT]

I did not say mid week. I said during the week. I do not know when the 144000 are saved. your making assumptions.

And if the woman is not isreal, and not the church, who is she?



The woman can;t be the church, For the church did not give birth to Christ, The church is the womans offspring. And the church is persecuted, killed and suffers great tribulation while the woman is protected. You have a major flaw ith your belief. Not to mention, are you not the one who preaches pre-trib rapture> if there is a pre-trib rapture, there is no church (jew or gentile) at the beginning of this period now is there?

Revelation 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

He make war with them that don’t flee and them that do flee God has a place for them, they are all one body the church, of God because there is only one body one baptism one spiritual drink.

Christians in the wilderness and Christian not in the wilderness, all Christians.

 

[peterT]

I did not say mid week. I said during the week. I do not know when the 144000 are saved. your making assumptions.

And if the woman is not isreal, and not the church, who is she?



The woman can;t be the church, For the church did not give birth to Christ, The church is the womans offspring. And the church is persecuted, killed and suffers great tribulation while the woman is protected. You have a major flaw ith your belief. Not to mention, are you not the one who preaches pre-trib rapture> if there is a pre-trib rapture, there is no church (jew or gentile) at the beginning of this period now is there?

Proverbs 16:11 A just weight and balance are the LORD'S: all the weights of the bag are his work.
Proverbs 20:23 Divers weights are an abomination unto the LORD; and a false balance is not good.

You can’t just have the Christian Jews and there family’s fleeing to the wilderness and being fed and protected by God, and all the non-Jewish Christians and there family’s dealing with the great tribulation. That’s not a just balance that’s an abomination and a false balance.

You can’t separate Jewish Christian from on-Jewish Christians.

For We are all made perfect in one. And we are the branches and Jesus is the vine
John 17:23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one-

Whether you flee or whether you stay, it’s going to take great faith.

Some will flee and some will stay, ones the woman, and ones her seed. The ones that have the heart from God to flee will flee, which will take great faith, and the ones that have the heart from God to stay will stay and preach the gospel which will take great faith. And they loved not their lives unto the death.

The woman is the church and her seed is her fruit and both are of the church of God, for they are all Christians.

 

[jandian]

You know, the bible actually spells out who the harlot is................

 

[peterT]

Alot of assumptions here. And alot of ignoring what the passage says. When your ready to discuss it. let me know. If you want to continue to twist what I say and make assumptions which are false. there is no need to go further.

The people who endure do endure in Faith, the people who are martyred and suffer great tribulation do so because they have great faith and do not recieve the mark.

But the point is, The passage says God will protect the woman. So how could the woman be the church (true) when the passage says clearly the church will be persecuted, killed and suffer great tribulation. Seems like you want to ignore this fact!

Of course my story as got holes, and I can see them too, because we see through a glass, darkly.

And your story has holes, and worse holes than mine.

The deferens is, my story doesn’t have favourites because of blood line.

And my story there is not separation and segregation because of circumcision.

And my story there is only one body.

And my story there is neither Jew nor Greek

And my story is the ones that flee are the ones with the need, not because of race

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I never said the woman is not the church, the woman is the church. where did you get that from? Now I could say you are twisting my words.

I never said you said the woman is not the church, Yet again your twisting my words and not listening, or you would not have made a false accusation.

How can you read what you responded to and think I said you are saying the woman is not the church? Do you read anything?

I stated the woman can not be the church, You state she is not Isreal. So i asked who she could be.

You have not proven she is the church. so who is she?

If a Jew gats saved and grafted back in again the he is a part of the Christian church of God. So no matter how you look at it the woman in the wilderness is the church, for we all baptized into one body, there is only one body the church.

1 Corinthians 12:12 For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.
13For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
Colossians 1:24 Who now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up that which is behind of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh for his body's sake, which is the church:

Why do people keep going here? This has nothing to do with who is saved or who is not saved, it has everything to do with Who the beast Goes after, Who God protects, and who God allows the beast to go to war against.

The woman is protected. Those who obey the commands of God and have Jesus as their testimony are gone to war. This is what the passage says, Why would you want it to say anything else. Who are those who obey the commands of God and has his testimony, is this not the church? This who is the woman who gave BIRTH to Christ? Is it not Isreal. The passage does not say they are obeying the comands or even following Jesus, All it says is they gave birth to Christ. and are separate from her offspring.

The offspirng is the church, The CHurch, the other offspring is Christ.

Sorry I don’t know what you are talking about, No I don’t preach a pre-trib rapture and what as a pre-trib rapture got to do with this?

The Jews of old gave birth to Christ the sacrificial lamb, Chapter 12 is talking about the last days, Christ who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron.

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sorry I mistook you for someone else.

All Isreal gave birth to Christ, it was to THEM that was promised to have the king who would rule with a rod of iron, After they repent and come back to God, and he washed their sin away, And he brings them back from their land, the land where they were punished for the sin of the fathers. And in this time, there would be a time of Jacobs trouble, such as never has been seen since life began on earth, and God would PROTECT THIS IN THIS TIME IN THE WILDERNESS. The OT is full of prophesies which show this very fact.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Revelation 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

He make war with them that don’t flee and them that do flee God has a place for them, they are all one body the church, of God because there is only one body one baptism one spiritual drink.

Christians in the wilderness and Christian not in the wilderness, all Christians.

I can't see this.

1. The woman is protected.
2. This angers the beast
3. So he goes after the rest of her offspring (Christ is the first offspring)

your twisting it to say something which is not said.

If what you say is true, my brother who goes to the wilderness would not be my mother, and I would not be the rest of his offspring,

The reality is, I would be his brothe, not his son! think about it!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Of course my story as got holes, and I can see them too, because we see through a glass, darkly.

And your story has holes, and worse holes than mine.

The deferens is, my story doesn’t have favourites because of blood line.

And my story there is not separation and segregation because of circumcision.

And my story there is only one body.

And my story there is neither Jew nor Greek

And my story is the ones that flee are the ones with the need, not because of race

your story reeks because it denies the promise to the fathers, and what was promised to their natural children Why would paul tell us to HATE isreal because of the Gospel. But LOVE them because of the promise, if there is no more Isreal and they are not in the fold anymore?

Your story reeks because your stuck on who is saved, and not on what happens on earth which has nothing to do with salvation.

Your story reeks because it denies almost every OT prophesy concerning end times and Gods deeling with not only Jacob (natural Isreal) but all mankind.

 

[peterT]

your story reeks because it denies the promise to the fathers, and what was promised to their natural children Why would paul tell us to HATE isreal because of the Gospel. But LOVE them because of the promise, if there is no more Isreal and they are not in the fold anymore?

Your story reeks because your stuck on who is saved, and not on what happens on earth which has nothing to do with salvation.

Your story reeks because it denies almost every OT prophesy concerning end times and Gods deeling with not only Jacob (natural Isreal) but all mankind.

So how am I denying the prophesy in the old testament concerning end times?.

And were in the old testament is it, that the Jews are in the wilderness for 3 ½ years getting fed and protected by God.?

 

[2LIVE4GOD]

the question hear is... Who is Babylon the Great Harlot?

GOD'S HOLY WORD tells us exactly who this babylonian great harlot truly is for those who has ears to hear and eyes to see.

this great harlot is... the catholic church.

now when i say the catholic church... i mean its false organized belief system and NOT those who sit in its walls.

do a study on the vatican and you yourself shall see and hear.

for instance, did you know that the catholic church states and documented that she is the mother to all churches and that every denomination to every non-denomination that is broken off from her are her harlot daughters and still holds power over them.

also look up... the united council of churches and research that for awhile and discover exactly were your church stands on its organized belief system for an awakening.

did you also know every pope that has been buried has a dragon on their tomb and that also she is the only church in the world to use the woman holding a cup. she also has this woman sitting on a beast located right in the vatican.

and the nicolaitanes whom GOD hates is none other than the nicaean council who reign in the vatican church.

also at the vatican on a pillar is inscribed... SACROS(ANCTA) LATERAN(ENSIS) ECCLES(IA) OMNIUM URBIS ET ORBIS ECCLESIARUM MATER ET CAPUT... when translated into english means... Sacred Lateran Church, Universally for the City and the World, Supreme Mother of Churches or Holy Lateran Church, Mother and Head of all Churches in the City and the World... which is a fulfillment of Revelation 17:5.

also did you know that the vatican itself has printed many documents stating who exactly they are and acknowledge it such as this from the vatican archives itself along with other documents such as this one which states... It is within the city of Rome, called the city of seven hills, that the entire area of Vatican State proper is now confined. By treaty with the Italian Government certain other properties apart from the Vatican State are considered as territorial parts of the state of Vatican City.

also as stated and documented here by the vatican herself... since the founding of the church there by St. Peter, the city of Rome has been the center of Christendom. The city itself is the diocese of the pope as bishop of Rome... as well as this stated from Pope Pius XI himself... the hand of God, who guides the course of history, has set down the Chair of His Vicar on earth, in this city of Rome which, from being the capital of the wonderful Roman Empire, was made by Him the capital of the whole world, because He made it the seat of a sovereignty which, since it extends beyond the confines of nations and states, embraces within itself all the peoples of the whole world. The very origin and divine nature of this sovereignty demands, the inviolable rights of conscience of millions of the faithful of the whole world demand that this sacred sovereignty must not be, neither must it ever appear to be, subject to any human authority or law whatsoever, even though that law be one which proclaims certain guaranties for the liberty of the Roman Pontiff.

also did you know that under ecclesiastical papal Rome, the Vatican has been considered within the walls and city limits of Rome for well over 1000 years.

also did you know that the vatican tried to destroy the king james bible but failed and then wrote their own king james bible changing GOD'S HOLY WORD around and then soon began writing and distributing bibles they approve and support to her harlot daughters.

for you see there is so much to list that there is not enough pages to fill with GOD'S HOLY TRUTH on who this great babylonian harlot is and who her daughters are as well.

 

[peterT]

your story reeks because it denies the promise to the fathers, and what was promised to their natural children Why would paul tell us to HATE isreal because of the Gospel. But LOVE them because of the promise, if there is no more Isreal and they are not in the fold anymore?

Your story reeks because your stuck on who is saved, and not on what happens on earth which has nothing to do with salvation.

Your story reeks because it denies almost every OT prophesy concerning end times and Gods deeling with not only Jacob (natural Isreal) but all mankind.

Revelation 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

A remnant (A small remaining quantity of something) or (What is left).

The church/woman flees into the wilderness as you would, and as anyone would, when there is prosecution to death in the city’s. The remnant (A small remaining quantity) that stays and fights as they do when there is prosecution and death in the city’s, they stay and fight the battle for the lord and preach the gospel, and love not their lives unto the death

The remnant is the woman’s seed the fruit of the church.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Revelation 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

A remnant (A small remaining quantity of something) or (What is left).

The church/woman flees into the wilderness as you would, and as anyone would, when there is prosecution to death in the city’s. The remnant (A small remaining quantity) that stays and fights as they do when there is prosecution and death in the city’s, they stay and fight the battle for the lord and preach the gospel, and love not their lives unto the death

The remnant is the woman’s seed the fruit of the church.

The greek word there does not mean remnant, It means the rest, or the remaining.

Her son was taken up, thus he no longer remains, the remaining offspring would be all who were left behind. or the rest of those born again into Gods family.

 

[2LIVE4GOD]

The greek word there does not mean remnant, It means the rest, or the remaining.

Her son was taken up, thus he no longer remains, the remaining offspring would be all who were left behind. or the rest of those born again into Gods family.

Eternally-Gratefully is correct in stating that the remnant is the rest of the church body that did not make the rapture and must go through the great tribulation.

you see this running completely through GOD'S HOLY WORD... and if GOD'S HOLY WORD states he is perfect and never changes then neither does his story of redemption since it's played out perfectly from Genesis to Revelation.

 

[markatrart]

Babylon is this fallen world, The Harlot is THE OLD COVENANT OF SIN AND DEATH.

Christian, YOU CANNOT LIVE UNDER 2 COVENANTS, you must choose ........... LAW OR GRACE!

 

[peterT]

The greek word there does not mean remnant, It means the rest, or the remaining.

Her son was taken up, thus he no longer remains, the remaining offspring would be all who were left behind. or the rest of those born again into Gods family.

Yes, the rest or what’s left, the rest of the church, the rest of the fruit of the woman

What are you saying that the Christians will not flee from the cities when prosecution to the death is in the cities.

Its human nature for some to flee when there's trouble and prosecution.

It’s also human nature for some to stay and fight the good fight

Christians have being talking about fleeing the cities as far back as I remember

Isaiah 1:9 Except the LORD of hosts had left unto us a very small remnant

 

[BluMiu]

My understanding is that the two beasts, the first being Rome and the second, American Protestantism are going to extend hands to one another across the sea, as Revelation and Daniel says. To make an image unto the beast means that something will imitate or pay homage to the first beast. The beast of the earth is different from any other that came from the sea (multitude of people or strife). To come from the earth is a very different beginning and system than Europe came from; our beginnings were humble and stood on religious principle and freedom. But it then says that the lamb spoke as a dragon. There was deceit taking place and history shows that the colonies resorted to prejudice and oppression the same that they escaped from.

Protestantism today is leaning more towards spiritualism that is found in Eastern mysticism than true contemplation of Jesus Christ. We want to hear what is pleasing, not what convicts us to reform and change to God's standard. Compromise with the world to add numbers or to be accepted. How can we then tell the church from the world if both are doing the same thing? Did Christ say there would be unity with the world or division because we confess of Him, and the world will reject us as it rejected Him? It is not about who crucified Christ, He gave Himself willingly. Those responsible will be held accountable, but that is not the focus of prophecy. The focus was that the apostate church formed between Protestantism and Catholicism under some governance or legislation would enforce worship and trample upon God's law and Word.

The remnant church is made up of all denomination and those converted from other religions that see the plain truth of Gospel and testify of Jesus Christ with one voice. It will be oppressed by church and state just as it was during the Reformation and long before. History repeats itself for the last time, Christ protecting those that are under His seal while Satan's agencies and followers are under the mark or ways of man. True Christians against those that confess to be Christians and think that hunting down the remnant will please their "god" or relieve their suffering when under the plagues. See which way the world and majority of the church goes and go the opposite direction. That is best I can say until the Holy Spirit leads to a fuller understand of prophecy.

 

[kennethcadwell]

Babylon is Saudi Arabia, not America..............

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