Who Justifieth the Ungodly
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Unbelief is a sin that Christ died for, so its never laid to the charge of Gods elect, Christ saves them from it. Now for those who continue on in unbelief, Christ never died for them, He was not their sheep, and consequently die in their sins, which includes unbelief Jn 8:24
24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.
Jn 10:26
26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
Unbelief is a sin that Christ died for, so its never laid to the charge of Gods elect, Christ saves them from it. Now for those who continue on in unbelief, Christ never died for them, He was not their sheep, and consequently die in their sins, which includes unbelief Jn 8:24
24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.
Jn 10:26
26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
If He died for us, we are Justified !
Rom 8:33-34
33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
Understand something, if Christ hath died for us, whether we have belived or not, we are Justified before God from all sin and counted Righteous, by the simple fact that He died; Our Faith is not necessary, our repentance is not required, no type of obedience is needed, Only His was requisite. So if we are one of the ones He died for, automatically, we are Justified before God without any other influence.
Also along with that , God will never lay anything to our charge, which is another way of saying that He will not unto us impute sin, we would be as the Blessed Man her Rom 4:8
Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin. 13
Rom 8:33-34
33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
Understand something, if Christ hath died for us, whether we have belived or not, we are Justified before God from all sin and counted Righteous, by the simple fact that He died; Our Faith is not necessary, our repentance is not required, no type of obedience is needed, Only His was requisite. So if we are one of the ones He died for, automatically, we are Justified before God without any other influence.
Also along with that , God will never lay anything to our charge, which is another way of saying that He will not unto us impute sin, we would be as the Blessed Man her Rom 4:8
Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin. 13
He was raised again for/because of Our Justification !
Rom 4:25
25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.
25 Jesus was ·given to die [handed/delivered over; 8:32] ·for [because of] our ·sins [violations; transgressions], and he was raised from the dead ·to make us right with God [for our justification; or to confirm our justification].EXB
Listen, what man made religion is so ignorant of is this: That Jesus Christ's Resurrection from the dead, was not because of or for His Own Justification of Himself as a private individual, but because of the Justification of all those for whom their offences He was delivered for ! In His Resurrection they have total Justification from all things pertaining to God, that is not in themselves, for in that they are enemies and ungodly and unbelievers, so the Justification of them is based solely upon His Work, by it they receive Justification of Life Rom 5:18.
The Resurrection of Christ is evidence that all for whom He died and rose again in behalf of, that they have been credited with Justification of Life, So He was raised because of their total Justification, No Charge can be Laid against them, even while they are unbelievers Rom 8:33
33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
33 Who can ·accuse [bring an accusation/charge against] the people God has chosen? No one, because God is the One who ·makes them right [declares them righteous; justifies them]. EXB
Rom 4:25
25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.
25 Jesus was ·given to die [handed/delivered over; 8:32] ·for [because of] our ·sins [violations; transgressions], and he was raised from the dead ·to make us right with God [for our justification; or to confirm our justification].EXB
Listen, what man made religion is so ignorant of is this: That Jesus Christ's Resurrection from the dead, was not because of or for His Own Justification of Himself as a private individual, but because of the Justification of all those for whom their offences He was delivered for ! In His Resurrection they have total Justification from all things pertaining to God, that is not in themselves, for in that they are enemies and ungodly and unbelievers, so the Justification of them is based solely upon His Work, by it they receive Justification of Life Rom 5:18.
The Resurrection of Christ is evidence that all for whom He died and rose again in behalf of, that they have been credited with Justification of Life, So He was raised because of their total Justification, No Charge can be Laid against them, even while they are unbelievers Rom 8:33
33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
33 Who can ·accuse [bring an accusation/charge against] the people God has chosen? No one, because God is the One who ·makes them right [declares them righteous; justifies them]. EXB
Justified freely by His Grace !
Rom 3:24
24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
Many calling themselves believers or christians do make a claim to believe this Truth of " Justification freely by the Grace of God" , but its my privilege to tell ya that they really dont believe it at all ! No they only pretend to in words, but if we examine their Testimony 1 Jn 4:1;Matt 7:20 it is finally discovered that their supposed Justification by Grace freely, in reality is Justification because of their act of faith or belief, but that doesn't qualify to being freely Justified by His Grace !
The word freely is very important here in this solemn declaration of truth, its the word dorean and means :
as a free gift, without payment, freely,something freely done (as gratis), i.e. without "cause"; unearned (undeserved); freely given (without cost) hence not done out of mere obligation or compulsion.
for naught
Now Listen, it cannot be truly freely , without cause, for naught if indeed my act of believing or faith is the real cause, and that is why those who are not Justified remain so, because they did not meet the qualification of exercising faith or belief; So hence, its either freely without cause or its not, cannot straddle the fence here !
Yet Paul explains why its without cause and by Grace, why its a Gift reckoned upon the Justified ones based solely the Redemption that is by Christ's Blood [being Justified by His Blood Rom 5:9]; They were Justified freely by His Grace as a Gift, because Christ's Redemptive Death freed them from the penalty of their sins ! Redemption does that. Lets look at Heb 9:12 to prove this vital point :
12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.
The word redemption here, the greek word lutrósis :
(in the Old Testament: ransoming from imprisonment for debt, or from slavery, release from national misfortune, etc.), liberation, deliverance, release. redemption from the penalty of sin:
Yes Redemption from the penalty of sin, equates to Justification from all sin, and that freely solely by the Redemption that is in Christ Jesus, meaning His Blood Eph 1:7
7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;
This verse says the very exact thing as does Rom 3:24 only here forgiveness of sins equals Justification, Justification from the penalty of our sins and forgiveness of them are the same, and is according to the Riches of God's Grace !
All this is True because He, the Lord Jesus Christ, by His Blood shedding Death for them, satisfied all of God's vengeful Law and Justice He rightly had against all their sins against Him, So it was no cause or condition in them that influenced God to Justify them freely by His Grace, the cause was solely in the Person and Work of the Lord Jesus Christ in their stead.
So lastly again, if we say that we believe in being Justified freely by His Grace, and yet at the same time make our act of faith to be the condition and cause why God Justified us, them we do lie and believe not the Truth, we don't believe the Truth of being Justified freely by His Grace as presented in Rom 3:24 or Titus 3:7 for that matter where it reads Titus 3:7
7 That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.
Rom 3:24
24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
Many calling themselves believers or christians do make a claim to believe this Truth of " Justification freely by the Grace of God" , but its my privilege to tell ya that they really dont believe it at all ! No they only pretend to in words, but if we examine their Testimony 1 Jn 4:1;Matt 7:20 it is finally discovered that their supposed Justification by Grace freely, in reality is Justification because of their act of faith or belief, but that doesn't qualify to being freely Justified by His Grace !
The word freely is very important here in this solemn declaration of truth, its the word dorean and means :
as a free gift, without payment, freely,something freely done (as gratis), i.e. without "cause"; unearned (undeserved); freely given (without cost) hence not done out of mere obligation or compulsion.
for naught
Now Listen, it cannot be truly freely , without cause, for naught if indeed my act of believing or faith is the real cause, and that is why those who are not Justified remain so, because they did not meet the qualification of exercising faith or belief; So hence, its either freely without cause or its not, cannot straddle the fence here !
Yet Paul explains why its without cause and by Grace, why its a Gift reckoned upon the Justified ones based solely the Redemption that is by Christ's Blood [being Justified by His Blood Rom 5:9]; They were Justified freely by His Grace as a Gift, because Christ's Redemptive Death freed them from the penalty of their sins ! Redemption does that. Lets look at Heb 9:12 to prove this vital point :
12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.
The word redemption here, the greek word lutrósis :
(in the Old Testament: ransoming from imprisonment for debt, or from slavery, release from national misfortune, etc.), liberation, deliverance, release. redemption from the penalty of sin:
Yes Redemption from the penalty of sin, equates to Justification from all sin, and that freely solely by the Redemption that is in Christ Jesus, meaning His Blood Eph 1:7
7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;
This verse says the very exact thing as does Rom 3:24 only here forgiveness of sins equals Justification, Justification from the penalty of our sins and forgiveness of them are the same, and is according to the Riches of God's Grace !
All this is True because He, the Lord Jesus Christ, by His Blood shedding Death for them, satisfied all of God's vengeful Law and Justice He rightly had against all their sins against Him, So it was no cause or condition in them that influenced God to Justify them freely by His Grace, the cause was solely in the Person and Work of the Lord Jesus Christ in their stead.
So lastly again, if we say that we believe in being Justified freely by His Grace, and yet at the same time make our act of faith to be the condition and cause why God Justified us, them we do lie and believe not the Truth, we don't believe the Truth of being Justified freely by His Grace as presented in Rom 3:24 or Titus 3:7 for that matter where it reads Titus 3:7
7 That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.
Justified by His Blood !
Rom 5:9
9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
This Truth is denied continually by all those who insist that mans Faith is the condition he must perform in order to be Justified before God and by God, which totally disregards the Precious Truth of having been Justified before God solely by the Blood of Christ, or the Death of Christ, as its clearly stated here.
In fact Rom 5:9 here is the same exact Truth Paul taught earlier in Rom 3:24
24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption [by blood] that is in Christ Jesus !
Because of the Redemption that is in His Blood, which added is by Grace and that freely without no conditions, no cause in us !
In fact its a True Fact even while the redeemed ones are still being enemies Rom 5:10,19 !
Faith in Christ is not required to be Justified before God by the Blood of Christ ! The Only Faith that was required for complete that Transaction before God, was Christ's Faith or Faithfulness, His Obedience unto the Death ! 14
Rom 5:9
9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
This Truth is denied continually by all those who insist that mans Faith is the condition he must perform in order to be Justified before God and by God, which totally disregards the Precious Truth of having been Justified before God solely by the Blood of Christ, or the Death of Christ, as its clearly stated here.
In fact Rom 5:9 here is the same exact Truth Paul taught earlier in Rom 3:24
24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption [by blood] that is in Christ Jesus !
Because of the Redemption that is in His Blood, which added is by Grace and that freely without no conditions, no cause in us !
In fact its a True Fact even while the redeemed ones are still being enemies Rom 5:10,19 !
Faith in Christ is not required to be Justified before God by the Blood of Christ ! The Only Faith that was required for complete that Transaction before God, was Christ's Faith or Faithfulness, His Obedience unto the Death ! 14
I have provided proof that you are the only one on this thread who has made that claim.
Here is your claim, brightfame52:
You provide no post submitted by me which proves up your accusation and you will not find any post submitted by me which corroborates your claim.
So again, those words came directly from your keyboard ... you are the only one who has made that blasphemous statement in this thread.
wow .. doubling down on your lie from the pit. You proud of yourself now??? ... bet the adversary just loves those words coming from your keyboard.
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Here is your claim, brightfame52:
You provide no post submitted by me which proves up your accusation and you will not find any post submitted by me which corroborates your claim.
So again, those words came directly from your keyboard ... you are the only one who has made that blasphemous statement in this thread.
wow .. doubling down on your lie from the pit. You proud of yourself now??? ... bet the adversary just loves those words coming from your keyboard.
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No, it is not "hogwash". It is rude on your part to combine your statements with my statements and submit a post where it appears I made both statements.
When you submit posts in which you do that, you just reveal your pride and arrogance ... maybe because you consider yourself "elect" and I am merely a "whoseover".
Yes, brightfame52, it does matter who hides it. Because you conflate the gospel with the mystery, you are unable to understand why it matters who hides what.
The gospel is hid by satan, the god of this world. When you preach/teach that the gospel is hid, you are preaching/teaching the work of satan.
Instead of preaching/teaching what satan works in the world, you are to preach/teach the gospel ... so that the light of glorious gospel of Christ, Who is the image of God (2 Cor 4:4) shines out like a beacon ... when the light shines, the light overcomes the darkness of the adversary.
Instead of preaching/teaching the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ (2 Cor 4:6), you preach/teach what the adversary wants taught.
way to go brightfame52
Luke 11:33 No man, when he hath lighted a candle, putteth [it] in a secret place, neither under a bushel, but on a candlestick, that they which come in may see the light.
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When you submit posts in which you do that, you just reveal your pride and arrogance ... maybe because you consider yourself "elect" and I am merely a "whoseover".
Yes, brightfame52, it does matter who hides it. Because you conflate the gospel with the mystery, you are unable to understand why it matters who hides what.
The gospel is hid by satan, the god of this world. When you preach/teach that the gospel is hid, you are preaching/teaching the work of satan.
Instead of preaching/teaching what satan works in the world, you are to preach/teach the gospel ... so that the light of glorious gospel of Christ, Who is the image of God (2 Cor 4:4) shines out like a beacon ... when the light shines, the light overcomes the darkness of the adversary.
Instead of preaching/teaching the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ (2 Cor 4:6), you preach/teach what the adversary wants taught.
way to go brightfame52
Luke 11:33 No man, when he hath lighted a candle, putteth [it] in a secret place, neither under a bushel, but on a candlestick, that they which come in may see the light.
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the verse does not state that faith "will be given".Galatians 3:22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
The verse states that the promise ... will be given to those who believe.
Another futile attempt to manipulate Scripture to align with your erroneous dogma fails again.
You are to align your dogma to Scripture and where you are in error, let go of the error.
Since Scripture is very clear in telling us that faith ≠ works, you are in error when you claim "thats works, thats law keeping".
Ephesians 4:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive
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You have again botched your reply in your Post #2293.
I am not going to respond to posts you submit where you include your statement in a quote in which it appears I made the satement. I will point out that you have botched your response, but I'm not going to take the time to figure out who said what.
You need to take the time to learn how to submit posts so that it is clear as to who said what.
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I am not going to respond to posts you submit where you include your statement in a quote in which it appears I made the satement. I will point out that you have botched your response, but I'm not going to take the time to figure out who said what.
You need to take the time to learn how to submit posts so that it is clear as to who said what.
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When the Lord Jesus Christ walked the face of the earth, He studied the Scriptures. He is our example ... we are to follow Him.
Studying Scripture was good enough for Him and I will follow Him.
Maybe if you studied the Scriptures a little more diligently, you'd be able to see the erroneousness of your dogma.
2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
Please provide the post where I said that, brightfame52.
Your statement is yet another of your revisionist manipulation. I'm not surprised though, since you do the same with Scripture,
Psalm 119:130 The entrance of thy words giveth light; it giveth understanding unto the simple.
That's just the entrance of thy words ... when a person first starts reading Scripture. Scripture tells us about itself ... Scripture gives light ... Scripture gives understanding. Again, this is just the beginning, when a person first starts to read Scripture.
Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is quick [Greek zaō = life], and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
Yet another lie from the pit because you do not understand the power of the Scriptures.
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Studying Scripture was good enough for Him and I will follow Him.
Maybe if you studied the Scriptures a little more diligently, you'd be able to see the erroneousness of your dogma.
2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
Please provide the post where I said that, brightfame52.
Your statement is yet another of your revisionist manipulation. I'm not surprised though, since you do the same with Scripture,
Psalm 119:130 The entrance of thy words giveth light; it giveth understanding unto the simple.
That's just the entrance of thy words ... when a person first starts reading Scripture. Scripture tells us about itself ... Scripture gives light ... Scripture gives understanding. Again, this is just the beginning, when a person first starts to read Scripture.
Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is quick [Greek zaō = life], and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
Yet another lie from the pit because you do not understand the power of the Scriptures.
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Nope. Salvation is wholly by grace through faith.
Ephesians 2:8-9 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.
vs 8 by grace through faith
vs 9 faith ≠ works (see also Romans 4:1-5 for Scripture which tells us faith ≠ works).
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Ephesians 2:8-9 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.
vs 8 by grace through faith
vs 9 faith ≠ works (see also Romans 4:1-5 for Scripture which tells us faith ≠ works).
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your notion of "human faith" and "natural mans faith out of his flesh" and "faith is law" is just more of your vain imagining in your continued attempt to support your erroneous dogma.
Faith is faith ... there is only one faith with which mankind believes.
The issue is not "do you have faith".
The issue is "in WHOM do you have faith".
The atheist believes there is no God.
The pagan believes in many gods.
The born again one believes in God, the Creator of the heavens and the earth, and in His Son, the Lord Jesus Christ ... the Savior of the whole world ... all descendants of Adam.
Those who do not believe in God are without excuse because God has provided to all mankind all that is necessary to believe in Him.
Ephesians 1:13 In whom [the Lord Jesus Christ] ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise
After you heard, you believed.
After you believed, you were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise (regenerated / born again)
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Faith is faith ... there is only one faith with which mankind believes.
The issue is not "do you have faith".
The issue is "in WHOM do you have faith".
The atheist believes there is no God.
The pagan believes in many gods.
The born again one believes in God, the Creator of the heavens and the earth, and in His Son, the Lord Jesus Christ ... the Savior of the whole world ... all descendants of Adam.
Those who do not believe in God are without excuse because God has provided to all mankind all that is necessary to believe in Him.
Ephesians 1:13 In whom [the Lord Jesus Christ] ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise
After you heard, you believed.
After you believed, you were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise (regenerated / born again)
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Scripture clearly states that faith ≠ works:
Romans 4:
2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.
3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
READ YOUR BIBLE!!!
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Romans 4:
2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.
3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
READ YOUR BIBLE!!!
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