Who Justifieth the Ungodly

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I explained Justified by faith in posts 3653 and 3656 did you understand them ?

all you "explained" was your erroneous dogma ... and, yes, I understand ... however, I do not agree with your dogma because your erroneous dogma does not line up with Scripture.

You are to align your dogma with Scripture and where you are in error, let go of the error.

READ YOUR BIBLE!!!

Ephesians 4:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive
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asking again, brightfame52:

God either Loved or hated a person before they were born.

What Scripture do you rely on to support your claim that God "hated a person before they were born"???

God either Loved or hated a person before they were born.

What verse in Scripture do you rely on to support your claim that God "hated a person before they were born"???

maybe you'll answer this time ???
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[brightfame52]

The Lord Jesus Christ taught His disciples ...

Luke 11:2-4 And he said unto them, When ye pray, say, Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven, so in earth. Give us day by day our daily bread. And forgive us our sins; for we also forgive every one that is indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation; but deliver us from evil.

so the Lord Jesus Christ taught His disciples to pray for that for which (according to brightfame52) they needed no prayer???


Another teaching from the Lord Jesus Christ:

Mark 11:25-26 And when ye stand praying, forgive, if ye have ought against any: that your Father also which is in heaven may forgive you your trespasses. But if ye do not forgive, neither will your Father which is in heaven forgive your trespasses.





... what brightfame52 says:

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what Scripture tells us:

Romans 4:3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.

God imputed righteousness to Abraham when Abraham believed ...


Romans 10:9-11 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness;and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

The word "confess" is translated from the Greek word homologeó which means to say the same thing. When a person hears the Word of God, he or she can then "confess" (say the same thing as what God's Word says) and believe in his or her heart. However, the believer must say the same thing as God's Word in order for the hearer to "confess". What you preach, brightfame52, is not what is written in Scripture.


John 5:10-14 The Jews therefore said unto him that was cured, It is the sabbath day: it is not lawful for thee to carry thy bed. He answered them, He that made me whole, the same said unto me, Take up thy bed, and walk. Then asked they him, What man is that which said unto thee, Take up thy bed, and walk? And he that was healed wist not who it was: for Jesus had conveyed himself away, a multitude being in that place. Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee.

John 8:10-11 When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee? She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.

Romans 6:12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.

God's Word ... go and sin no more ... let not sin reign in your mortal body.

brightfame52 ... "continue being ungodly sinners" ... "be a ungodly sinner" ...

brightfame52 preaches another gospel ...

I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed - Galatians 1:6-8
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The particular sinners Christ died for, He purged their sins away Heb 1:3

3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:



He is the sole expression of the glory of God [the Light-being, the out-raying or radiance of the divine], and He is the perfect imprint and very image of [God’s] nature, upholding and maintaining and guiding and propelling the universe by His mighty word of power. When He had by offering Himself accomplished our cleansing of sins and riddance of guilt, He sat down at the right hand of the divine Majesty on high,

So those particular sinners are forgiven and Justified before God, not guilty ! But you in unbelief !

 

[brightfame52]

all you "explained" was your erroneous dogma ... and, yes, I understand ... however, I do not agree with your dogma because your erroneous dogma does not line up with Scripture.

You are to align your dogma with Scripture and where you are in error, let go of the error.

READ YOUR BIBLE!!!

Ephesians 4:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive
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Did you read those posts like I asked you ? They about Justification by Faith, the right way !

 

[brightfame52]

asking again, brightfame52:













maybe you'll answer this time ???
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God either loved or hated a person before they were born. I used scripture and you ignored it.

 

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particular sinners Christ died for

according to Scripture, the "particular sinners Christ died for" ...

John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

2 Corinthians 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

He is the sole expression of the glory of God [the Light-being, the out-raying or radiance of the divine], and He is the perfect imprint and very image of [God’s] nature, upholding and maintaining and guiding and propelling the universe by His mighty word of power.

which is why those who suppress/restrain the truth in unrighteousness are without excuse ... just as Rom 1:18-20 tells us:

Romans 1:

18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold [Greek katechō] the truth in unrighteousness;

19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.


In vs 18, the words "who hold" are translated from the Greek word katechō which means to hold back, to suppress, to restrain.

In vs 19, we see what it is that men restrain ... that which may be known of God ... for God showed it to them. God reveals Himself, His truth, and that truth, that revelation is suppressed and restrained. So it is mankind who restrains. It is not God Who causes mankind to suppress/restrain ... nor is it satan who causes mankind to restrain ... it is the person himself or herself.

In vs 20, God's eternal power and Godhead is suppressed, restrained, rejected and that is why they are without excuse.

But you in unbelief !

... the one who is "in unbelief !" is the one who claims:

No, those He died for do not have to believe it, accept itor do anything but continue being ungodly sinners

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to be Justified before God one doesnt have to do anything but be a ungodly sinner

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READ YOUR BIBLE!!!
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Did you read those posts

I replied to Post 3653 here.

I replied to Post 3656 here.

inasmuch as you are unable to refute the truth of Scripture, your erroneous dogma again fails.

They about Justification by Faith

... nope ... "they about" the "gospel of brightfame52" ... which is "another gospel"

Galatians 1:6-8 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
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God either loved or hated a person before they were born. I used scripture and you ignored it.

... nope, I did not ignore your musings. I responded to your erroneous dogma and showed you from Scripture that God did not hate Esau before he was born:

From Post #3568:

Romans 9 does not state that "God loved Jacob and hated Esau before they had any being".​

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Romans 9:10-13 10 And not only this; but when Rebecca also had conceived by one, even by our father Isaac; (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth; ) It was said unto her [Rebecca], The elder shall serve the younger.​

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What God told Rebecca while Jacob and Esau were still in utero (which means they had "being" and "existence") is written in Genesis 25:​

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Genesis 25:22-23 And the children struggled together within her; and she said, If it be so, why am I thus? And she went to enquire of the LORD. And the LORD said unto her, Two nations are in thy womb, and two manner of people shall be separated from thy bowels; and the one people shall be stronger than the other people; and the elder shall serve the younger.​

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God did not state that He hated Esau "before they had any being or existence". That statement was written in Malachi 1 ... long after Esau was dead and buried:​

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Malachi 1:2-3 I have loved you, saith the LORD. Yet ye say, Wherein hast thou loved us? Was not Esau Jacob's brother? saith the LORD: yet I loved Jacob, And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness.​

... and because you ignore the truth of Scripture, the above truth was again reiterated at Post 3575, Post 3583, Post 3591, Post 3601, Post 3607, Post 3613, Post 3619, Post 3629.


I even asked you if you had another Scripture which supports your claim that God "hated a person before they were born". I asked you 3 times (Post 3636, Post 3650, Post 3662) to provide Scriptural support for your claim and you have not provided any additional Scripture.

Your erroneous dogma again fails ... and it has been clearly revealed exactly who ignores Scripture (hint ... brightfame52).


READ YOUR BIBLE!!!
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[brightfame52]

according to Scripture, the "particular sinners Christ died for" ...

John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

2 Corinthians 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.





which is why those who suppress/restrain the truth in unrighteousness are without excuse ... just as Rom 1:18-20 tells us:

Romans 1:

18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold [Greek katechō] the truth in unrighteousness;

19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.


In vs 18, the words "who hold" are translated from the Greek word katechō which means to hold back, to suppress, to restrain.

In vs 19, we see what it is that men restrain ... that which may be known of God ... for God showed it to them. God reveals Himself, His truth, and that truth, that revelation is suppressed and restrained. So it is mankind who restrains. It is not God Who causes mankind to suppress/restrain ... nor is it satan who causes mankind to restrain ... it is the person himself or herself.

In vs 20, God's eternal power and Godhead is suppressed, restrained, rejected and that is why they are without excuse.





... the one who is "in unbelief !" is the one who claims:

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READ YOUR BIBLE!!!
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Again the particular sinners Christ died for, He purged their sins away Heb 1:3

3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:

Now this doesnt apply to all mankind, so you in unbelief !

 

[brightfame52]

I replied to Post 3653 here.

I replied to Post 3656 here.

inasmuch as you are unable to refute the truth of Scripture, your erroneous dogma again fails.





... nope ... "they about" the "gospel of brightfame52" ... which is "another gospel"

Galatians 1:6-8 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
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I took time to explain what it is to be Justified by Faith, you reject it, thats unbelief.

 

[brightfame52]

... nope, I did not ignore your musings. I responded to your erroneous dogma and showed you from Scripture that God did not hate Esau before he was born:

From Post #3568:

Romans 9 does not state that "God loved Jacob and hated Esau before they had any being".​

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Romans 9:10-13 10 And not only this; but when Rebecca also had conceived by one, even by our father Isaac; (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth; ) It was said unto her [Rebecca], The elder shall serve the younger.​

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What God told Rebecca while Jacob and Esau were still in utero (which means they had "being" and "existence") is written in Genesis 25:​

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Genesis 25:22-23 And the children struggled together within her; and she said, If it be so, why am I thus? And she went to enquire of the LORD. And the LORD said unto her, Two nations are in thy womb, and two manner of people shall be separated from thy bowels; and the one people shall be stronger than the other people; and the elder shall serve the younger.​

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God did not state that He hated Esau "before they had any being or existence". That statement was written in Malachi 1 ... long after Esau was dead and buried:​

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Malachi 1:2-3 I have loved you, saith the LORD. Yet ye say, Wherein hast thou loved us? Was not Esau Jacob's brother? saith the LORD: yet I loved Jacob, And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness.​

... and because you ignore the truth of Scripture, the above truth was again reiterated at Post 3575, Post 3583, Post 3591, Post 3601, Post 3607, Post 3613, Post 3619, Post 3629.


I even asked you if you had another Scripture which supports your claim that God "hated a person before they were born". I asked you 3 times (Post 3636, Post 3650, Post 3662) to provide Scriptural support for your claim and you have not provided any additional Scripture.

Your erroneous dogma again fails ... and it has been clearly revealed exactly who ignores Scripture (hint ... brightfame52).


READ YOUR BIBLE!!!
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So see, you proved I have already gave you scripture to support the Truth that whom God Loved, He always loved, whom He hated He always hated, before they had being of existence.

 

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Again the particular sinners Christ died for

God has taken care of the sin issue for all descendants of Adam:

John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

2 Corinthians 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

Heb 1:3

3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:

the word "our" is not in the text.

The Lord Jesus Christ is the atonement for sin ... He alone is the atoning sacrifice and all who come unto Him by faith are saved:

Hebrews 7:25 Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.
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I took time to explain what it is to be Justified by Faith

God "took the time to explain what it is to be Justified by Faith":

Romans 4:

20 He [Abraham] staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God;

21 And being fully persuaded that, what he [God] had promised, he [God] was able also to perform.

22 And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness.

23 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him;

24 But for us also, to whom it [righteousness] shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;

25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ


all you did was explain your dogma ... and when scrutinized under the light of Scripture, your erroneous dogma fails.

You are to align your dogma to Scripture and where you are in error, let go of the error.
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whom He hated He always hated, before they had being of existence

you still have not provided Scripture wherein God states "whom He hated He always hated, before they had being of existence".

Please provide chapter and verse from Scripture wherein what you claim is stated by God.

If you cannot provide Scripture (chapter and verse), just say so ... at least then you'd be honest about your erroneous claims.


What God told Rebecca while Jacob and Esau were still in utero (which means they had "being" and "existence") is written in Genesis 25:

Genesis 25:22-23 And the children struggled together within her; and she said, If it be so, why am I thus? And she went to enquire of the LORD. And the LORD said unto her, Two nations are in thy womb, and two manner of people shall be separated from thy bowels; and the one people shall be stronger than the other people; and the elder shall serve the younger.

God did not state that He hated Esau "before they had any being or existence". Long after Esau was dead and buried, God stated:

Malachi 1:2-3 I have loved you, saith the LORD. Yet ye say, Wherein hast thou loved us? Was not Esau Jacob's brother? saith the LORD: yet I loved Jacob, And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness.
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[brightfame52]

God "took the time to explain what it is to be Justified by Faith":

Romans 4:

20 He [Abraham] staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God;

21 And being fully persuaded that, what he [God] had promised, he [God] was able also to perform.

22 And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness.

23 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him;

24 But for us also, to whom it [righteousness] shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;

25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ


all you did was explain your dogma ... and when scrutinized under the light of Scripture, your erroneous dogma fails.

You are to align your dogma to Scripture and where you are in error, let go of the error.
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So you dont know the first thing about being Justified by Faith,

 

[brightfame52]

you still have not provided Scripture wherein God states "whom He hated He always hated, before they had being of existence".

Please provide chapter and verse from Scripture wherein what you claim is stated by God.

If you cannot provide Scripture (chapter and verse), just say so ... at least then you'd be honest about your erroneous claims.


What God told Rebecca while Jacob and Esau were still in utero (which means they had "being" and "existence") is written in Genesis 25:

Genesis 25:22-23 And the children struggled together within her; and she said, If it be so, why am I thus? And she went to enquire of the LORD. And the LORD said unto her, Two nations are in thy womb, and two manner of people shall be separated from thy bowels; and the one people shall be stronger than the other people; and the elder shall serve the younger.

God did not state that He hated Esau "before they had any being or existence". Long after Esau was dead and buried, God stated:

Malachi 1:2-3 I have loved you, saith the LORD. Yet ye say, Wherein hast thou loved us? Was not Esau Jacob's brother? saith the LORD: yet I loved Jacob, And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness.
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I gave you scripture for my statement. Them whom God loved, He loved from everlasting, prior to them having existence, and likewise, them He hated, they were hated from everlasting, before they had being.

 

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So you dont know the first thing about being Justified by Faith

that your erroneous dogma cannot stand up to the scrutiny of Scripture does not mean I "dont know the first thing about being Justified by Faith" ...


Ephesians 4:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive
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you still have not provided Scripture wherein God states "whom He hated He always hated, before they had being of existence".

Please provide chapter and verse from Scripture wherein what you claim is stated by God.

If you cannot provide Scripture (chapter and verse), just say so ... at least then you'd be honest about your erroneous claims.

I gave you scripture for my statement.

nope ... you have not provided any Scripture wherein God stated "whom He hated He always hated, before they had being of existence"

them He hated, they were hated from everlasting, before they had being.

chapter and verse for your claim please ...


Ephesians 5:6-7 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience. Be not ye therefore partakers with them.
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[brightfame52]

that your erroneous dogma cannot stand up to the scrutiny of Scripture does not mean I "dont know the first thing about being Justified by Faith" ...


Ephesians 4:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive
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You deny the saving effects, the healing accomplishments of the death of Christ 1 Pet 2:24-25

24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

25 For ye were as sheep going astray; but are now returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls.

See Christs death converts them He died for to live unto righteousness, meaning they shall live by Faith in Christ who is their righteousness. Now you deny this, saying that Christ died also for them who are lost in their sins and never saved. So thats unbelief

 

[brightfame52]

nope ... you have not provided any Scripture wherein God stated "whom He hated He always hated, before they had being of existence"





chapter and verse for your claim please ...


Ephesians 5:6-7 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience. Be not ye therefore partakers with them.
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I already gave you scripture which that truth is based upon Rom 9