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Here is a verse about the pharisee style of making ones own law that is grossly misunderstood and falsely applied to obedience to Yahweh:
Romans10:3, "Since they, being ignorant of the righteousness that comes from Yahweh, and seeking to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted to Yahweh's righteousness."
When applied with common translation I can see how it is misunderstood, yet when the greek is consulted the true meaning and intent of this comes forth:
Romans 10:4, "For Christ is the end (telos) of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth."
Romans 10:4, "For Yahshua is the ultimate result (telos) of the Law unto righteousness for everyone who believes."
1Peter 1:9, "Receiving the end (telos) of your faith, even the salvation of your souls."
1 Kepha (Peter) 1:9, "Receiving the ultimate result (telos) of your faith--the salvation of your souls."
If the its the end of the Law aka Law is done away in Romans 10:4 then faith must also be done away in 1 Kepha (Peter) 1:9. Unless of course telos means the goal If we look at Cor. 13:2 "and that I have all faith so that I could move mountains". Or regarding hope ....I do not need hope for what I already have, Now abideth Faith hope and love the greatest is love (12) For now we see through a glass darkly , but then face to face. "Receiving the telios of your faith"is receiving the end of your faith...and forthwith .the salvation of your soul, when we see him face to face, we will not need faith any more.Just like we will not hope any more. just as Christ is the end of the law for righteousness. Having it written in our hearts instead of reading it outside our hearts. The law, even in a worldly sense, is there to punish so people refrain bad behavior . But if every one truly had love in there hearts we would not need any law because every one would keep it , there personage or heart would demand it. They ,in away would be the law by their nature. When we walk in love we are the law of God and condemn the world by our actions ,the law written in our hearts, The law of love, the nature of God himself. The sword of the Spirit is the word of God,Jesus was the expressed image of the father and the word of God . The law for righteousness has ended and the law and nature of God through the Spirit has replaced it.not that the law has ended or was bad,, but has fulfilled its purpose in shewing us our sin, and placed in our hearts by faith in His name. When I shew compassion to some one I don't do it because i am told to by a law , but do it because my nature has been changed and I do it out of my own compassion given to me by his Spirit dwelling within me. this is getting to long God bless you
But he said more than that.Then what you are saying is that the Covenant, which is a legal agreement, made with the Hebrews at the base of Mt. Sinai is null and void, even though
our Father said out of his own mouth it was an everlasting (eternal) covenant?
You must reckon with the record and testimony of the word of God in the above.If the Ten Commandments are spoken out of his mouth to be
an everlasting covenant, and that covenant
has been somehow now altered or done away with,
how does that make your god the same today, yesterday, and forever? If he can't keep his word from the beginning, spoken from his own mouth to his chosen people, how can we trust him to keep his word today?
But he said more than that.
Ex 19:5 - "Now if you obey me fully and keep my covenant,
then out of all the nations you will be my treasured possession." (Ex 19:5)
The covenant was in accordance with its words, which were the Ten Commandments (Ex 24:8).
Jer 7:3 "Obey me and I will be your God and you will be my people."
Jer 11:2-5 - This is what the LORD, the God of Israel, says: 'Cursed is the man who does not obey the terms of this covenant--the terms I commanded your forefathers when I took them out of Egypt, out of the iron-smelting furnace. I said, 'Obey me and do everything I command you, and you will be my people and I will be your God.' ' "
God's covenant was everlasting in that he would never break it, but it wasn't everlasting if they broke it, which they did (Jer 11:10).
Jer 11:10 - "Both the house of Israel and the house of Judah have broken the covenant I made with their forefathers."
So God promised a new covenant (Jer 31:31-34) to replace the broken old covenant,
and with the inauguration of the new covenant (Lk 22:20),
the old (Sinaitic) covenant was made obsolete (Heb 8:13).
This is the testimony of Scripture.
You must reckon with the record and testimony of the word of God in the above.
Read again the letter to the Romans.
Firstly he said "Do we, then, nullify the law by this faith?
Not at all! Rather, we uphold THE LAW." Rom 3:31
We were alive to sin but dead to God before accepting Christ. Now we are dead to sin but alive to God in Christ Jesus.
Dead to the law.. Alive in the Spirit...
As Titus 2 11-14 states it is the grace of God that teaches us to deny all ungodliness.
Colossians 3:3 For you died, and your life is hidden with Christ in God.
A dead man is no longer under the laws of do's and don'ts period. We are new Spiritual creatures led by the Spirit not the letter of the law.
Well, I'm gonna' have a big fence. . .don't want no - - - living next to me!I'm asking everyone in general. Not you in particular. And I hate (reads too lazy) to go back and examine each letter you or anyone else posted. After all
we might be neighbors in the new heaven and new earth so....
We are dead to the law of SIN not GOD'S LAW. Not shouting just for bigger notation.
Well, I'm gonna' have a big fence. . .don't want no - - - living next to me!
Elin said:But he said more than that.MrsRoseTreasure said:
Ex 19:5 - "Now if you obey me fully and keep my covenant,
then out of all the nations you will be my treasured possession." (Ex 19:5)
The covenant was in accordance with its words, which were the Ten Commandments (Ex 24:8).
Jer 7:3 "Obey me and I will be your God and you will be my people."
Jer 11:2-5 - This is what the LORD, the God of Israel, says: 'Cursed is the man who does not obey the terms of this covenant--the terms I commanded your forefathers when I took them out of Egypt, out of the iron-smelting furnace. I said, 'Obey me and do everything I command you, and you will be my people and I will be your God.' ' "
God's covenant was everlasting in that he would never break it,
but it wasn't everlasting if they broke it, which they did (Jer 11:10).
Jer 11:10 - "Both the house of Israel and the house of Judah have broken the covenant I made with their forefathers."
So God promised a new covenant (Jer 31:31-34)
to replace the broken old covenant,
and with the inauguration of the new covenant (Lk 22:20),
the old (Sinaitic) covenant was made obsolete (Heb 8:13).
This is the testimony of Scripture.
I guess you will have to show me where I said that.How can you say the law is done away with, if the law is supposed to be in your heart?You must reckon with the record and testimony of the word of God in the above.If the Ten Commandments are spoken out of his mouth to be
an everlasting covenant, and that covenant
has been somehow now altered or done away with,
how does that make your god the same today, yesterday, and forever? If he can't keep his word from the beginning, spoken from his own mouth to his chosen people, how can we trust him to keep his word today?
How in the world did Constantine get in this?The arguments always goes back to the 4th Commandment. If you choose to follow Constantine, then follow him,
No friend. Those who have fled to Christ for refuge are no longer under any judgment by the letter of the law. If we are to be judged by the letter of the law we would all be tossed into hell forever lost.But we will be judged by the letter of the law.
I will if I don't wanna' see 'em!Sorry no class distinction in heaven - you won't need a big fence because everyone will be obeying the Law.
cute. that plank you have might just enough to make a huge one.Well, I'm gonna' have a big fence. . .don't want no - - - living next to me!
No friend. Those who have fled to Christ for refuge are no longer under any judgment by the letter of the law. If we are to be judged by the letter of the law we would all be tossed into hell forever lost.
You see Christ has already paid the full penalty and punishment for breaking the law, for all of your sins past present and future. You see friend if He has already been punished for all sins and all broken commandments then how can you be punished for them?
There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.
All believers must appear before the judgement seat of Christ for either rewards and or sadly loss of rewards.
And if there is no law then how would they loose their reward? What are they judged against?
Yes I know forgiven sinners there is no more condemnation.
Elin, I see you wasting time by repeatedly quoting long passages just to say one dismissive word. Like you need to stamp everything that you see as having been seen by you and now we can move on. It's been a totally one sided debate with people being mostly agreed and you stirring things up by saying things that are either twisting someones words or jumping to conclusions or writing off what was said with one verse plucked out of its context. You seem to have the knowledge of the truth, but you appear to be using your intelligence to detract from what the truth is. You give forceful instructions to obey your chosen method of debate. For no reason other than your own pleasure, and we like brothers and sisters watching you go by the way, have patiently offered correction with scripture. Sure you can SAY that I'm wrong, and you know, this is conjecture, but I'm not going to waste time going back and quoting you 100 times, so I can't prove it, but neither can you prove your good intentions. Good thing this is an internet forum. It's the attitude that is hard to get over.
We see it so much in the world where the enemy takes a sharp stick and says "don't return evil for evil," and then starts poking, mocking with our own laws, poke poke, "are you angry yet? that's a sin you know", poke poke poke, "wanna speak your mind, is that another sin? come again???" poke poke......
It's the enemies favorite game, and he loves to use other people to do it, I know....I was a champion.
I wouldn't have thought this edifying, but you did ask for it...so I hope you aren't too terribly offended.