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weakness
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But he said more than that.
Ex 19:5 - "Now if you obey me fully and keep my covenant,
then out of all the nations you will be my treasured possession." (Ex 19:5)
The covenant was in accordance with its words, which were the Ten Commandments (Ex 24:8).
Jer 7:3 "Obey me and I will be your God and you will be my people."
Jer 11:2-5 - This is what the LORD, the God of Israel, says: 'Cursed is the man who does not obey the terms of this covenant--the terms I commanded your forefathers when I took them out of Egypt, out of the iron-smelting furnace. I said, 'Obey me and do everything I command you, and you will be my people and I will be your God.' ' "
God's covenant was everlasting in that he would never break it, but it wasn't everlasting if they broke it, which they did (Jer 11:10).
Jer 11:10 - "Both the house of Israel and the house of Judah have broken the covenant I made with their forefathers."
So God promised a new covenant (Jer 31:31-34) to replace the broken old covenant,
and with the inauguration of the new covenant (Lk 22:20),
the old (Sinaitic) covenant was made obsolete (Heb 8:13).
This is the testimony of Scripture.
You must reckon with the record and testimony of the word of God in the above.
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Karraster
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[SUP]7 [/SUP]For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second. [SUP]8 [/SUP]For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah: [SUP]9 [/SUP]not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord. [SUP]10 [/SUP]For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: [SUP]11 [/SUP]and they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest. [SUP]12 [/SUP]For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more. [SUP]13 [/SUP]In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away
How can you say the law is done away with, if the law is supposed to be in your heart? The arguments always goes back to the 4th Commandment. If you choose to follow Constantine, then follow him, he is dead and in his grave, but Messiah is alive!! I will follow Messiah!
In Ro 3:31, Paul is explaining that we "establish (uphold) the law" in the NT
by establishing (upholding) the right use of the law,
that we are not overthrowing (nullifying) the law, but establishing (upholding) its standing
by setting it on the right basis; i.e., subject to the law of grace.
Although we cannot be saved by it as a covenant, we submit to it in Christ's two
commandments (Mt 22:37-39), which are the law of grace.
Judaizing (Gal 2:14) attempts to set it on the wrong basis.
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We are dead to the law of SIN not GOD'S LAW. Not shouting just for bigger notation.
To be even more exact, dead to The law of sin and death. Freed from the penalty thereof.
Sorry no class distinction in heaven - you won't need a big fence because everyone will be obeying the Law.
I guess you will have to show me where I said that.
How in the world did Constantine get in this?
No friend. Those who have fled to Christ for refuge are no longer under any judgment by the letter of the law. If we are to be judged by the letter of the law we would all be tossed into hell forever lost.
You see Christ has already paid the full penalty and punishment for breaking the law, for all of your sins past present and future. You see friend if He has already been punished for all sins and all broken commandments then how can you be punished for them?
There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.
All believers must appear before the judgement seat of Christ for either rewards and or sadly loss of rewards.
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chubbena
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And if there is no law then how would they loose their reward? What are they judged against?
Yes I know forgiven sinners there is no more condemnation.
This has nothing to do with eternal life. That was given at conversion.
We are His workmanship created in Christ Jesus unto good works which God prepared before hand that we should walk in them. (Rewards for faithful service).
Not loss of reward but (rewards). Loss of rewards for unfaithful service.
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Karraster
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Forgot to thank you for this post. It is sad that it's a game to some people, but it is, that's all. I will refrain from responding to robots, and pray for them and all their alter egos, and all their multiple personalities. Maybe some day their demons will be cast out.
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KittenofMelchisedek
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The quote from Titus that GregoryC gave on the last page, gives it really clear, I'll embolden for emphasis. All of us now are in agreement now except Elin and a couple people who aren't posting, just watching us argue, so for their sake I guess we are at least reinforcing the whole idea which is always good.
Titus 2:
11 For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men, 12 teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly in the present age, 13 looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ, 14 who gave Himself for us, that He might redeem us from every lawless deed and purify for Himself His own special people, zealous for good works.
So here again we have salvation by grace through faith alone.
THEN
Sanctification by the special workings of our Lord to purify us and redeem us, which we allow by DENYING UNGODLINESS
I am ungodly. Thereby do I deny myself. The more I die to self, the more of me Christ can make new.
I ate a couple bites of pork tonight because it was served to me and would have hurt my parents feelings and they wouldn't have understood, so for them I ate the pork. I am not separated from God by that, but is it still against his law? yup. Do I now turn all the more toward me Lord? yup.
Am I guilty? No.....because Christ died for me? Well that, and I am in no way minimizing that, but there's more to it.
By his death, I am free from the spiritual penalty and power of sin and death...but by his resurrection he was made our High priest of the order of Melchisedek, of which we, by accepting his yoke (it takes two to carry a cross, or plow a field) are priests with him, a never ending priesthood.
Priests who had temple duty on the Sabbath, were guiltless. Even the remnant is guiltless, as scripture says a search will be made for their transgressions, and none will be found. --note...transgressions still exist or we couldn't look for them or find any for others who are not part of the remnant.
If you wanna go ahead and say the following thing to me and pretend it isn't meant to be personally insulting...."oh so you wanna still be under the law her her her well Jesus isn't good enough for you duh" UMMMM HELLO???? It's like you're channeling the enemy, and I'm not wasting my time to go back and quote people who are being insulting, confounding the Christians for WHAT? For what GOOD PURPOSE could you possibly have other than your own pleasure, to use the SAME verses REPEATEDLY, to say the same thing, "oh just so you know here's this verse" which agrees with what we're saying, but then you throw in, "so you still wanna be under the law huh? Guess you don't know scripture huh?" It's a very immature mindset that looks for loop holes. I see this at work all the time when people look at the job description, "so how much of this do I actually have to DO?" "all of it" "yeah, but there's some things that aren't necessary right?" "no please follow all the protocols" "well, I don't think I should have to do this one, and why this? I'm just not doing it this is stupid" "please actually do your job" "well nobody's gonna die if I don't, right? I mean, when you work you must skip some of these things right? you can't possibly expect me to do all of this right?" "yes my example is that I do it all and I am going to expect you to do your job as written or go away, so now go and do whatever you're gonna do"
Jesus gave us the example, and he was the one who died, and he took the guilt from the ones who did it, and he works in us so we don't have to do anything alone. All he asked, was that we do our jobs. We are priests. If you wanna act like a teenager, you might find yourself out of a job, not saying damnation, just saying, don't obey and see how things go.
It's not enough for today's generation just to do wrong. They want us to tell them they are doing good all the while. I'm not doing it. Period.
So don't message me telling me I don't have to follow the law, the law is not for following, the law is for KNOWING GOD, and if you are a priest you wanna know your God. This will be to the scorn of those who say in the end, didn't we prophecy in your name? ALL THE PAGANS KNOW THEIR GODS AND DO WHAT THEY TELL THEM. Even the pagans look after their own family. Therefor a "christian" who WILL NOT OBEY his GOD is worse than a non-believer.
Titus 2:
11 For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men, 12 teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly in the present age, 13 looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ, 14 who gave Himself for us, that He might redeem us from every lawless deed and purify for Himself His own special people, zealous for good works.
So here again we have salvation by grace through faith alone.
THEN
Sanctification by the special workings of our Lord to purify us and redeem us, which we allow by DENYING UNGODLINESS
I am ungodly. Thereby do I deny myself. The more I die to self, the more of me Christ can make new.
I ate a couple bites of pork tonight because it was served to me and would have hurt my parents feelings and they wouldn't have understood, so for them I ate the pork. I am not separated from God by that, but is it still against his law? yup. Do I now turn all the more toward me Lord? yup.
Am I guilty? No.....because Christ died for me? Well that, and I am in no way minimizing that, but there's more to it.
By his death, I am free from the spiritual penalty and power of sin and death...but by his resurrection he was made our High priest of the order of Melchisedek, of which we, by accepting his yoke (it takes two to carry a cross, or plow a field) are priests with him, a never ending priesthood.
Priests who had temple duty on the Sabbath, were guiltless. Even the remnant is guiltless, as scripture says a search will be made for their transgressions, and none will be found. --note...transgressions still exist or we couldn't look for them or find any for others who are not part of the remnant.
If you wanna go ahead and say the following thing to me and pretend it isn't meant to be personally insulting...."oh so you wanna still be under the law her her her well Jesus isn't good enough for you duh" UMMMM HELLO???? It's like you're channeling the enemy, and I'm not wasting my time to go back and quote people who are being insulting, confounding the Christians for WHAT? For what GOOD PURPOSE could you possibly have other than your own pleasure, to use the SAME verses REPEATEDLY, to say the same thing, "oh just so you know here's this verse" which agrees with what we're saying, but then you throw in, "so you still wanna be under the law huh? Guess you don't know scripture huh?" It's a very immature mindset that looks for loop holes. I see this at work all the time when people look at the job description, "so how much of this do I actually have to DO?" "all of it" "yeah, but there's some things that aren't necessary right?" "no please follow all the protocols" "well, I don't think I should have to do this one, and why this? I'm just not doing it this is stupid" "please actually do your job" "well nobody's gonna die if I don't, right? I mean, when you work you must skip some of these things right? you can't possibly expect me to do all of this right?" "yes my example is that I do it all and I am going to expect you to do your job as written or go away, so now go and do whatever you're gonna do"
Jesus gave us the example, and he was the one who died, and he took the guilt from the ones who did it, and he works in us so we don't have to do anything alone. All he asked, was that we do our jobs. We are priests. If you wanna act like a teenager, you might find yourself out of a job, not saying damnation, just saying, don't obey and see how things go.
It's not enough for today's generation just to do wrong. They want us to tell them they are doing good all the while. I'm not doing it. Period.
So don't message me telling me I don't have to follow the law, the law is not for following, the law is for KNOWING GOD, and if you are a priest you wanna know your God. This will be to the scorn of those who say in the end, didn't we prophecy in your name? ALL THE PAGANS KNOW THEIR GODS AND DO WHAT THEY TELL THEM. Even the pagans look after their own family. Therefor a "christian" who WILL NOT OBEY his GOD is worse than a non-believer.
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