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This is the scripture used to say God ordained Sunday as Sabbath. So Sunday works.
I am just a little old woman, but I took the hours and hours and hours it took to find out how history shows us why we changed scripture about Saturday. I posted it here. No one will take the trouble to read how I condensed those months of study into a few paragraphs. It is the history not one person's idea in that post.
I should think that my time and trouble should be used. Or would each of you like to go though the tons of material to find out for yourselves?
When do you work?
Exo 34:21 Six days thou shalt work, but on the seventh day thou shalt rest: in earing time and in harvest thou shalt rest.
Many people overlook this important part of the Sabbath Command, six days shalt thou WORK...
Deu 5:13 Six days thou shalt labour, and do all thy work:
God does not reward indolence, He expects people to work. To do what they are able, it is a Command to work. One must do what he is able and capable of doing for six days.
OK, then if the day was to be changed, why didn't He change it? Why di He not teach the truth that the day to worship would be Sunday? In fact, why did not a single writer in the N.T. say a thing about changing the day?
By the by, I think you know I am not disingenuous, I found that a little beneath you.
Why didn't he let them in on the secret? Why didn't he tell them the Sabbath was no longer the day of worship?
Use your logically faculties. Paul met with the Jews and GOD fearers on Saturday because that is when they met per the law. His goal was to convert primarily Jews, and also Gentiles, and this was the time to find them all together in order to teach. It stands to reason that as some believed and most didn't, the believers would have had to separate, or would have been evicted from the synagogue. These things did indeed happen. So the constraint to meet on Saturday in order to be around traditional Judaism was removed. The believers had to meet some day, and the scriptures record in other places that the first day of the week is when believers met.
I never said God changed anything. The Sabbath is the Sabbath, and Sunday is the Lord's day. The Sabbath is God's rest, demonstrated in His creation and through Israel entering into Canaan in which foreshadows believers entering to kingdom of the heavens by the means on God's redemptive revelation.
Uh, that would be wool and linen. A bad mix (they shrink at different rates) and it portrays something much greater. The Linen was the material of the Priests garments. Wool is from animal and portrays the human nature and they are not to be mixed. This was a parable, much like the wineskins and new wine. You do know that you are not to mix truth with old traditions, don't you?
OK and what is wrong with this? I just had a class on bloodborne pathogens.
And you can show me this?
Exo 22:25 If thou lend money to any of my people that is poor by thee, thou shalt not be to him as an usurer, neither shalt thou lay upon him usury.
Ok, tell me what is wrong with this principle. Are you a banker?
Oh please do not lay this heavy burden on me. By the by, when is the Jubile?
And after the disaster of 2008, you are telling me that a Law that makes borrowing something that is much different than we see today a bad thing?
And you can show me this?
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I have looked at Acts20:7, I Cor 16:2 and Rev 1:10 and disected them several times. None of these point to Sunday worship and I have shown that before.
Leviticus 23:3[ The Sabbath ] “‘There are six days when you may work, but the seventh day is a day of sabbath rest, a day of sacred assembly. You are not to do any work; wherever you live, it is a sabbath to the Lord.
Genesis 2:2By the seventh day God had finished the work he had been doing; so on the seventh day he rested from all his work.
Matthew 14:2and he said to his attendants, “This is John the Baptist; he has risen from the dead! That is why miraculous powers are at work in him.”
Mark 16:20Then the disciples went out and preached everywhere, and the Lord worked with them and confirmed his word by the signs that accompanied it.
Matthew 12 9 Going on from that place, he went into their synagogue, 10 and a man with a shriveled hand was there. Looking for a reason to bring charges against Jesus, they asked him, “Is it lawful to heal on the Sabbath?”
11 He said to them, “If any of you has a sheep and it falls into a pit on the Sabbath, will you not take hold of it and lift it out? 12 How much more valuable is a person than a sheep! Therefore it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath.”
13 Then he said to the man, “Stretch out your hand.” So he stretched it out and it was completely restored, just as sound as the other. 14 But the Pharisees went out and plotted how they might kill Jesus.
If we are in the seventh thousand year (The Sabbath) then who will be saved.
Matthew 26:61
and declared, “This fellow said, ‘I am able to destroy the temple of God and rebuild it in three days.’”
Matthew 16:18And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it.
Mark 14:58“We heard him say, ‘I will destroy this temple made with human hands and in three days (Three thousands years) will build another, not made with hands.’”
And which day is the Lord's day?
Mar 2:27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:
Mar 2:28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.
Please show me scripturally where the Bible says Sunday is the Lord's day.
He did, it's a non issue...All of what was written in God's word came from Him. Worshiping on "Saturday" and "resting" on Saturday was a non issue from the beginning of creation to Moses, and it's a non-issue from NT Church onward. Israel was needed to help us understand who God is (which the Saturday Sabbath does) and to bring forth the messiah. If you want to worship on Saturday, that's fine with me, it won't save you by doing so, nor will no worshiping on Saturday condemn. If was so important, why didn't Jesus, Paul, or John accentuate that point? To keep the lateral day "7th day" holy is never mentioned in the NT, while the other commands are. Because by accepting Christ's atonement is entering into the Sabbath, thus you are always keeping it from that point forward.
The sabbath was made for man= man needed salvation, Thus God provide His son to free us from the bondage to sin, therefore Christ is the sabbath "the rest" man needed in order for benefit. We weren't made for the benefit of God, but the other way around. Jesus is Lord over the sabbath, meaning He can do what he wants with it. And the bible teaches that everything Christ is has been imputed to those in Him.
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Nothing like making up your own gospel to justify disobeying Christ.
Matthew 5:19 ASV
Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
John 14:15
"If you love Me, keep My commandments."
Matthew 19:17
And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
John 14:21
He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
1 John 2:3
And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
1 John 2:4
He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
1 John 3:22
And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.
1 John 5:2
By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
1 John 5:3
For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
Revelation 12:17
And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Revelation 14:12
Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus Christ.
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Jesus never once said any one of the commandments has been done away with. He said the opposite. He did say they would all be fulfilled. He fulfilled the sacrificial laws. Those are what He spoke of when He said they were fulfilled. I'd think this would be obvious. We no longer are asked to sacrifice animals for our sins because Christ fulfilled that sacrifice as the perfect lamb from heaven.
That verse about not allowing others to judge you concerning sabbaths DOES NOT SAY the sabbath law has been done away with. It only states that we shouldn't be judging one another concerning how we keep it. Yet everyone uses that verse to justify doing away with the sabbath law when Christ Himself said "anyone that breaks even the least of these commandments and teaches others to do so will be considered the least in the Kingdom of Heaven, etc."
You choose a verse that does not state that the sabbath law was changed to justify your position and ignore entirely a direct statement from Jesus Christ. And the fact is, even if that verse did claim that the sabbath law was done away with, no man on this earth would have had the authority to do away with one of God's laws if Christ Himself hadn't ordained that it was so.
God says that you may use Sunday if that is the day you choose.
But how you can say it is the day the Lord blessed for Sabbath I cannot fathom! We are given many scriptures about the Sabbath, even how God gave it to us for our benefit. The women discovered that the Lord had arisen on that day, but they didn't know when he rose for they didn't see him do that. They just found He was gone.
If you look at the steps man took to come to the decision to change it, it makes it very clear that it was man's decision, and the reasons they did it is clear, and they did not do it to better obey the Lord but for personal reasons.
The Lord is putting up with it for our sakes. The Lord puts up with divorce for our sakes. You can be wonderful, saved redeemed Christians and choose Sunday instead of Saturday. But you can't say it is God's word.
But how you can say it is the day the Lord blessed for Sabbath I cannot fathom! We are given many scriptures about the Sabbath, even how God gave it to us for our benefit. The women discovered that the Lord had arisen on that day, but they didn't know when he rose for they didn't see him do that. They just found He was gone.
If you look at the steps man took to come to the decision to change it, it makes it very clear that it was man's decision, and the reasons they did it is clear, and they did not do it to better obey the Lord but for personal reasons.
The Lord is putting up with it for our sakes. The Lord puts up with divorce for our sakes. You can be wonderful, saved redeemed Christians and choose Sunday instead of Saturday. But you can't say it is God's word.
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Excellent point there RedTent! I never thought of that! We don't know that Christ was even raised on Sunday. We just know that Mary saw Him in the garden on Sunday morning. Many think anymore that Christ actually died on Wednesday because they're thinking Passover was on one of those days that particular year. Obviously, Christ would have died as the Passover lamb, and hence, on Passover. That would have LITERALLY put Him in the grave for three days and three nights. And when would He have risen? On Saturday afternoon or evening? Whatever time would have been 3 full days and nights after He died. Right?
Got kind of off topic there. But it does make one realize that the concept of changing the sabbath to Sunday because Christ was first seen fully resurrected by Mary that day really doesn't even hold water, though it really didn't to start with. This idea is just a justification made up by men to justify changing the day, just like the "Christ is now our rest" concept.
I honestly think people will go to any lengths so they don't have to put themselves out and change the day back to the rightful day as well as face ridicule from those that will do anything to keep from putting themselves out and etc. etc. etc.
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I don't believe we get to choose the day. God is the only one with the authority to make time holy and that is something He did not delegate.
What day do you suppose we are to wroship Him on? The day He sanctified and made holy, or just any day of our choosing?