WHY ARE THERE ONLY 4 GOSPELS IN THE NEW TESTAMENT & ARE THE 4 WE HAVE ARE CORRECT?

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WHY ARE THERE ONLY 4 GOSPELS IN THE NEW TESTAMENT & ARE THE 4 WE HAVE ARE CORRECT?

Over the last 200 Years the scriptures have come under a new attack, not one of interpretation or examination, but of the authentic nature of the sacred text itself.

In my conversations with Christians, I find we are ill prepared to take on this discussion, and lack the necessary historical information to take on those that would question the sacred scriptures.

So when I ask the question, why are there only 4 Gospels, this necessarily begs the question, were there more than 4 Gospels published? and if so, how were the ancient church able to preserve the sacred texts against would be false publications?

What are your thoughts? I'll respond to your questions on the issue if anyone is interested, and provide the answer a little later.
 
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There is only four True Gospels from the Holy Spirit.

Unfortunately there are gospels that were written by Satan.

By comparing other Books in the Bible against the other gospels was the True Church able to spot the false gospels.

An example of some are:

Gospel of Thomas.
Gospel of Mary.
Gospel of Judas.

There are many more but i just listed a few.
 
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So when I ask the question, why are there only 4 Gospels, this necessarily begs the question, were there more than 4 Gospels published? and if so, how were the ancient church able to preserve the sacred texts against would be false publications?(your quote)

15 In those days Peter stood up among the brothers (the company of persons was in all about 120) and said,

21 So one of the men who have accompanied us during all the time that the Lord Jesus went in and out among us,22 beginning from the baptism of John until the day when he was taken up from us---one of these men must become with us a witness to his resurrection."23 And they put forward two, Joseph called Barsabbas, who was also called Justus, and MatthiasActs 1

the problem, is how many could write. and speculation would say, all could speak.

translation and interpretation are two different thing.

example the
old english of the king jame, ie used words like hence, thou etc

so you would need to study meaning to what these words mean, before you could come near to the gist of what you read.
 
Re: WHY ARE THERE ONLY 4 GOSPELS IN THE NEW TESTAMENT & ARE THE 4 WE HAVE ARE CORREC

There is only four True Gospels from the Holy Spirit.

Unfortunately there are gospels that were written by Satan.

By comparing other Books in the Bible against the other gospels was the True Church able to spot the false gospels.

An example of some are:

Gospel of Thomas.
Gospel of Mary.
Gospel of Judas.

There are many more but i just listed a few.

You are correct in identifying that there were other gospels published during the time of the apostles, and in fact there were hundreds of publications in the ancient world claiming to have been penned by the apostles, but the statement "There is only four True Gospels from the Holy Spirit" is not a legal argument, and it's not the argument the historical apostolic church communicated against false publications.


I agree that the four Gospels we have in our Sacred Text are the true text, but why are they true, what is the historical argument from the apostolic churches to defend the sacred text
 
Re: WHY ARE THERE ONLY 4 GOSPELS IN THE NEW TESTAMENT & ARE THE 4 WE HAVE ARE CORREC

Over the last 200 Years the scriptures have come under a new attack, not one of interpretation or examination, but of the authentic nature of the sacred text itself.

In my conversations with Christians, I find we are ill prepared to take on this discussion, and lack the necessary historical information to take on those that would question the sacred scriptures.

So when I ask the question, why are there only 4 Gospels, this necessarily begs the question, were there more than 4 Gospels published? and if so, how were the ancient church able to preserve the sacred texts against would be false publications?

What are your thoughts? I'll respond to your questions on the issue if anyone is interested, and provide the answer a little later.
I suspect only the Lord knows why there are four gospels, no more, no less, but I will point out the Bible is already a long book, so long that a lot of people never read it. Adding more books to the Bible only makes it longer.
 
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I suspect only the Lord knows why there are four gospels, no more, no less, but I will point out the Bible is already a long book, so long that a lot of people never read it. Adding more books to the Bible only makes it longer.

I do appreciate everyone's comments, and as I stated above this is an area most of us Christians are not well versed in, especially formulating the historical defense to our sacred scripture.

The debate really begins in the second century.

A couple of things to be aware of, Christianity didn't receive freedom until the edit of Milan at 325AD, and that was only in the west, in the eastern empire you could be persecuted for being a Christian.

So for the first 300 year the Christian churches were under attack.

A second important thing to note is the organization of the church during the first few hundred years and who were the key players. I.E. the Church of Rome wasn't the big boy on the block as many would believe.

Thirdly, the rise of Gnostism, that John refers to in his Gospel and how "Marcion" a key player amount the Gnostics claimed to have the true secret publications as provided by the Apostles.

Irenus, Bishop of Lyons in the western church and his response to Marcion

The Term Apostolic Succession, and the argument used to identify the sacred texts against the false ones.

Let me know if I am losing anyone yet.
 
Re: WHY ARE THERE ONLY 4 GOSPELS IN THE NEW TESTAMENT & ARE THE 4 WE HAVE ARE CORREC

well for me if a person or persons needs to question the authenticity of the text we now have, my first question is : do you really seek truth or a way to gainsay it? if its truth you seek then the Sprit will surely guide and lead anyone who ask, we have this promise, if it is to scoff or mock then ill not suffer fools. the way I see it is the truth just is, I needs not to be defended but rather simply is, as believers its our place to search and prayerfully and seek it out, we walk by faith not by sight, to answer the question :"is there any other gospels? my answer is this, what is revealed to us is enough not only to guide us to the understanding of who our Savior is and how to receive Him, the Father gave his son so we could live, do you really think he would allow something we needed as children of the most high to be hidden or lost??? .
I enjoy biblical history as it assist me in my studies of sacred writ, however I do not see a need to debate or prove its authenticity to anyone, the message is pure and simple that even a child can grasp its meaning.... when we partake of the word we see a common thread of truth that goes from Gen. to Rev. we need not seek scholarly proof of any kind to see with our spirituall discernment what is or is not truth. when we share what we have with a dark and dying world it is not based on knowledge so much as a deep felt need of something greater then ourselves, once we meet and experience the eternal one , all we need dois share his love in deeds and conversation fit for one who calls themselves children of the most High.
 
Re: WHY ARE THERE ONLY 4 GOSPELS IN THE NEW TESTAMENT & ARE THE 4 WE HAVE ARE CORREC

I do appreciate everyone's comments, and as I stated above this is an area most of us Christians are not well versed in, especially formulating the historical defense to our sacred scripture.

The debate really begins in the second century.

A couple of things to be aware of, Christianity didn't receive freedom until the edit of Milan at 325AD, and that was only in the west, in the eastern empire you could be persecuted for being a Christian.

So for the first 300 year the Christian churches were under attack.

A second important thing to note is the organization of the church during the first few hundred years and who were the key players. I.E. the Church of Rome wasn't the big boy on the block as many would believe.

Thirdly, the rise of Gnostism, that John refers to in his Gospel and how "Marcion" a key player amount the Gnostics claimed to have the true secret publications as provided by the Apostles.

Irenus, Bishop of Lyons in the western church and his response to Marcion

The Term Apostolic Succession, and the argument used to identify the sacred texts against the false ones.

Let me know if I am losing anyone yet.

The Gnostics, if I am not mistaken, produced a lot of writings, but then, you and I could do the same thing. That didn't make their writings of any value.
 
Re: WHY ARE THERE ONLY 4 GOSPELS IN THE NEW TESTAMENT & ARE THE 4 WE HAVE ARE CORREC

well for me if a person or persons needs to question the authenticity of the text we now have, my first question is : do you really seek truth or a way to gainsay it? if its truth you seek then the Sprit will surely guide and lead anyone who ask, we have this promise, if it is to scoff or mock then ill not suffer fools. the way I see it is the truth just is, I needs not to be defended but rather simply is, as believers its our place to search and prayerfully and seek it out, we walk by faith not by sight, to answer the question :"is there any other gospels? my answer is this, what is revealed to us is enough not only to guide us to the understanding of who our Savior is and how to receive Him, the Father gave his son so we could live, do you really think he would allow something we needed as children of the most high to be hidden or lost??? .
I enjoy biblical history as it assist me in my studies of sacred writ, however I do not see a need to debate or prove its authenticity to anyone, the message is pure and simple that even a child can grasp its meaning.... when we partake of the word we see a common thread of truth that goes from Gen. to Rev. we need not seek scholarly proof of any kind to see with our spirituall discernment what is or is not truth. when we share what we have with a dark and dying world it is not based on knowledge so much as a deep felt need of something greater then ourselves, once we meet and experience the eternal one , all we need dois share his love in deeds and conversation fit for one who calls themselves children of the most High.


First and four most, the historical apostolic church, which the apostles handed onto its successors, felt it was of major importance to defend the sacred scriptures against the Gnostic gospels that were. Leaders from the North African Church, the Western Church and other leaders came to the defense of the sacred scriptures risking their life in the pursuit of truth.

In our modern Era, the scriptures are under contact attack against, casting doubt on the reliability of the sacred text.

And you think it's of no importance where it can from?

So how do you know those scholars are not correct in stating the our gospels are not authentic.
 
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the four canonical gospels were the only ones consistently accepted by the vast majority of the early christian community...the gnostic gospels were widely condemned by the early christians and other apocryphal gospels were widely regarded as basically fictional...

some christians believe that the bible itself indicates that God intended for there to be only four true gospel accounts...for example there are interpreters of the book of revelation who view the four living creatures arranged around the throne of God to be the four gospels... some even correlate each of the four faces with one of the four gospels...for example matthew stresses jesus' role as a king which could be symbolized by the lion face...

another theory is that each of the four gospels utilizes one of the four levels in the jewish interpretive scheme...
 
Re: WHY ARE THERE ONLY 4 GOSPELS IN THE NEW TESTAMENT & ARE THE 4 WE HAVE ARE CORREC

the four canonical gospels were the only ones consistently accepted by the vast majority of the early christian community...the gnostic gospels were widely condemned by the early christians and other apocryphal gospels were widely regarded as basically fictional...

some christians believe that the bible itself indicates that God intended for there to be only four true gospel accounts...for example there are interpreters of the book of revelation who view the four living creatures arranged around the throne of God to be the four gospels... some even correlate each of the four faces with one of the four gospels...for example matthew stresses jesus' role as a king which could be symbolized by the lion face...

another theory is that each of the four gospels utilizes one of the four levels in the jewish interpretive scheme...

Rachel....You are awarded today's Gold Star. Lol

As Reported by Irenus Bishop of Lyons, Tertuillian of Africa, and published in Esubius history of the church, Irenus was able to refute the claims of Marcian and other Gnostics by showing that the sacred texts were handed down by the apostles, in a linear succession down to this day that traces the teaching and the scriptures back to the apostles themselves.

Here are the writings of Irenus and Tertullian on this very point

[h=2]Irenaeus[/h]“It is possible, then, for everyone in every church, who may wish to know the truth, to contemplate the tradition of the apostles which has been made known to us throughout the whole world. And we are in a position to enumerate those who were instituted bishops by the apostles and their successors down to our own times, men who neither knew nor taught anything like what these heretics rave about” (Against Heresies 3:3:1 [A.D. 189]).
“But since it would be too long to enumerate in such a volume as this the successions of all the churches, we shall confound all those who, in whatever manner, whether through self-satisfaction or vainglory, or through blindness and wicked opinion, assemble other than where it is proper, by pointing out here the successions of the bishops of the greatest and most ancient church known to all, founded and organized at Rome by the two most glorious apostles, Peter and Paul—that church which has the tradition and the faith with which comes down to us after having been announced to men by the apostles. For with this Church, because of its superior origin, all churches must agree, that is, all the faithful in the whole world. And it is in her that the faithful everywhere have maintained the apostolic tradition” (ibid., 3:3:2).
“Polycarp also was not only instructed by apostles, and conversed with many who had seen Christ, but was also, by apostles in Asia, appointed bishop of the church in Smyrna, whom I also saw in my early youth, for he tarried [on earth] a very long time, and, when a very old man, gloriously and most nobly suffering martyrdom, departed this life, having always taught the things which he had learned from the apostles, and which the Church has handed down, and which alone are true. To these things all the Asiatic churches testify, as do also those men who have succeeded Polycarp down to the present time” (ibid., 3:3:4).
“Since therefore we have such proofs, it is not necessary to seek the truth among others which it is easy to obtain from the Church; since the apostles, like a rich man [depositing his money] in a bank, lodged in her hands most copiously all things pertaining to the truth, so that every man, whosoever will, can draw from her the water of life. . . . For how stands the case? Suppose there arise a dispute relative to some important question among us, should we not have recourse to the most ancient churches with which the apostles held constant conversation, and learn from them what is certain and clear in regard to the present question?” (ibid., 3:4:1).
“t is incumbent to obey the presbyters who are in the Church—those who, as I have shown, possess the succession from the apostles; those who, together with the succession of the episcopate, have received the infallible charism of truth, according to the good pleasure of the Father. But [it is also incumbent] to hold in suspicion others who depart from the primitive succession, and assemble themselves together in any place whatsoever, either as heretics of perverse minds, or as schismatics puffed up and self-pleasing, or again as hypocrites, acting thus for the sake of lucre and vainglory. For all these have fallen from the truth” (ibid., 4:26:2).
“The true knowledge is the doctrine of the apostles, and the ancient organization of the Church throughout the whole world, and the manifestation of the body of Christ according to the succession of bishops, by which succession the bishops have handed down the Church which is found everywhere” (ibid., 4:33:8).

[h=2]Tertullian[/h]“[The apostles] founded churches in every city, from which all the other churches, one after another, derived the tradition of the faith, and the seeds of doctrine, and are every day deriving them, that they may become churches. Indeed, it is on this account only that they will be able to deem themselves apostolic, as being the offspring of apostolic churches. Every sort of thing must necessarily revert to its original for its classification. Therefore the churches, although they are so many and so great, comprise but the one primitive Church, [founded] by the apostles, from which they all [spring]. In this way, all are primitive, and all are apostolic, while they are all proved to be one in unity” (Demurrer Against the Heretics 20 [A.D. 200]).
“[W]hat it was which Christ revealed to them [the apostles] can, as I must here likewise prescribe, properly be proved in no other way than by those very churches which the apostles founded in person, by declaring the gospel to them directly themselves . . . If then these things are so, it is in the same degree manifest that all doctrine which agrees with the apostolic churches—those molds and original sources of the faith must be reckoned for truth, as undoubtedly containing that which the churches received from the apostles, the apostles from Christ, [and] Christ from God. Whereas all doctrine must be prejudged as false which savors of contrariety to the truth of the churches and apostles of Christ and God. It remains, then, that we demonstrate whether this doctrine of ours, of which we have now given the rule, has its origin in the tradition of the apostles, and whether all other doctrines do not ipso facto proceed from falsehood” (ibid., 21).
“But if there be any [heresies] which are bold enough to plant [their origin] in the midst of the apostolic age, that they may thereby seem to have been handed down by the apostles, because they existed in the time of the apostles, we can say: Let them produce the original records of their churches; let them unfold the roll of their bishops, running down in due succession from the beginning in such a manner that [their first] bishop shall be able to show for his ordainer and predecessor some one of the apostles or of apostolic men—a man, moreover, who continued steadfast with the apostles. For this is the manner in which the apostolic churches transmit their registers: as the church of Smyrna, which records that Polycarp was placed therein by John; as also the church of Rome, which makes Clement to have been ordained in like manner by Peter” (ibid., 32).
“But should they even effect the contrivance [of composing a succession list for themselves], they will not advance a step. For their very doctrine, after comparison with that of the apostles [as contained in other churches], will declare, by its own diversity and contrariety, that it had for its author neither an apostle nor an apostolic man; because, as the apostles would never have taught things which were self-contradictory” (ibid.).
“Then let all the heresies, when challenged to these two tests by our apostolic Church, offer their proof of how they deem themselves to be apostolic. But in truth they neither are so, nor are they able to prove themselves to be what they are not. Nor are they admitted to peaceful relations and communion by such churches as are in any way connected with apostles, inasmuch as they are in no sense themselves apostolic because of their diversity as to the mysteries of the faith” (ibid.).
 
Re: WHY ARE THERE ONLY 4 GOSPELS IN THE NEW TESTAMENT & ARE THE 4 WE HAVE ARE CORREC

In term of why only 4 Gospels. Though Ireneus does a very good job trying to explain the significance of the number 4 (Obviously numerology was prevalent in that period) the simple answer is those are the only gospels the apostolic churches received.
 
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Much of the determination was done by process of elimination. Those works purporting to be by the Apostles or acquaintances of the Apostles were chucked if they were found inconsistent with the other already accepted Scriptures , both in tenor, style and accuracy.
 
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Jesus Christ has not left us alone. The Holy Spirit reveals all necessary for Salvation in Jesus Christ.....details are for those who rely on their own knowledge and not what comes with the Holy Spirit. This will trip up anyone temporarily, but the truth does show in Christ's moment for that person......

We must not destroy ourselves with what is falsely called knowledge....I know, been there; done that. Praise our Savior, Jesus Christ, amen
 
Re: WHY ARE THERE ONLY 4 GOSPELS IN THE NEW TESTAMENT & ARE THE 4 WE HAVE ARE CORREC

Over the last 200 Years the scriptures have come under a new attack, not one of interpretation or examination, but of the authentic nature of the sacred text itself.

In my conversations with Christians, I find we are ill prepared to take on this discussion, and lack the necessary historical information to take on those that would question the sacred scriptures.

So when I ask the question, why are there only 4 Gospels, this necessarily begs the question, were there more than 4 Gospels published? and if so, how were the ancient church able to preserve the sacred texts against would be false publications?

What are your thoughts? I'll respond to your questions on the issue if anyone is interested, and provide the answer a little later.

The truth is how many Gospels do we need,for I would think 4 would cover it to testify of the Son of God,Jesus Christ.

Jesus said,out of 2 or 3 witnesses,let everything be established,but God gave us 4,so what further need do we have of other Gospels.

The account Of Jesus does not need to be covered in a multitude of Gospels,for the 4 Gospels covered it,and why keep repeating,and repeating.

Matthew: Christ is the Son of David, rightful heir to the Messianic throne. Here we see Christ's royal genealogy, the visit by the magi from the East to announce His kingly birth, and the proclamation of His laws in the Sermon on the Mount.

Mark: Here we find Jesus as the Servant of God. Although Jesus came as God to earth, He completely submitted Himself to the will of the Father in heaven and took on the form of a servant. Anything extraneous to that theme is excluded, which is why the narrative contains no references to Jesus's birth or youth.

Luke: To Luke, Jesus is the Son of Man—fully human but unlike any other human being in His perfect submission to God's will. For this reason, Luke traces the genealogy back to Adam (the first human).
John: John presents Jesus as the Son of God—fully divine. Jesus is not only flesh and bones, but He is also the Creator of all things in the beginning (John 1). Jesus reveals His nature as "I am," a title God gave as His own.John points out the deity of Jesus.
I think the 4 Gospels got it covered.
 
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Re: WHY ARE THERE ONLY 4 GOSPELS IN THE NEW TESTAMENT & ARE THE 4 WE HAVE ARE CORREC

Over the last 200 Years the scriptures have come under a new attack, not one of interpretation or examination, but of the authentic nature of the sacred text itself.

In my conversations with Christians, I find we are ill prepared to take on this discussion, and lack the necessary historical information to take on those that would question the sacred scriptures.

So when I ask the question, why are there only 4 Gospels, this necessarily begs the question, were there more than 4 Gospels published? and if so, how were the ancient church able to preserve the sacred texts against would be false publications?

What are your thoughts? I'll respond to your questions on the issue if anyone is interested, and provide the answer a little later.

How we determine the authenticity of the Gospels is exactly the same way we determine the authenticity of any other ancient record. While the Secular and Christians will come to different conclusions, there is one conclusion that they both share: the Gospels do record many historical events accurately and have actually shed light on that time period before we knew much about it. Nobody with a rational mind would claim that Jesus never existed today, though they attempted it long ago. Add to the mix a teaspoon of philosophy and critical research, and you have some very interesting spiritual implications.

It is believed by some that the Gospels originate from a single document, because there are so many similarities among them. Sometimes word-for-word. I believe this document was the disciples' notes. I also believe they stem from eyewitness testimony. I have a smidgen of evidence for both beliefs, which I can discuss if you like. But basically there's no magic rule. You research. And that can be rather involved.
 
Re: WHY ARE THERE ONLY 4 GOSPELS IN THE NEW TESTAMENT & ARE THE 4 WE HAVE ARE CORREC

Over the last 200 Years the scriptures have come under a new attack, not one of interpretation or examination, but of the authentic nature of the sacred text itself.

In my conversations with Christians, I find we are ill prepared to take on this discussion, and lack the necessary historical information to take on those that would question the sacred scriptures.

So when I ask the question, why are there only 4 Gospels, this necessarily begs the question, were there more than 4 Gospels published? and if so, how were the ancient church able to preserve the sacred texts against would be false publications?

What are your thoughts? I'll respond to your questions on the issue if anyone is interested, and provide the answer a little later.[/QUO

Here my response: Are the 4 gospels the word of god ore not? He was the author!
I dont think that human beeings are able to protect the word of god, but I believe god himself can protect
his word. And he did! You heared from Qumran? There bible roles were found in 1947 (around). And they
proofed what was already known and tought from the church through all the centurys.
 
Re: WHY ARE THERE ONLY 4 GOSPELS IN THE NEW TESTAMENT & ARE THE 4 WE HAVE ARE CORREC

Over the last 200 Years the scriptures have come under a new attack, not one of interpretation or examination, but of the authentic nature of the sacred text itself.

In my conversations with Christians, I find we are ill prepared to take on this discussion, and lack the necessary historical information to take on those that would question the sacred scriptures.

So when I ask the question, why are there only 4 Gospels, this necessarily begs the question, were there more than 4 Gospels published? and if so, how were the ancient church able to preserve the sacred texts against would be false publications?

What are your thoughts? I'll respond to your questions on the issue if anyone is interested, and provide the answer a little later.[/QUO

Here my response: Are the 4 gospels the word of god ore not? He was the author!
I dont think that human beeings are able to protect the word of god, but I believe god himself can protect
his word. And he did! You heared from Qumran? There bible roles were found in 1947 (around). And they
proofed what was already known and tought from the church through all the centurys.


The 4 gospels are there for many reasons one being they were the ones written nearest to the time Jesus was alive. You may find Lee Stroble's "The Case for Christ" a good read as it breaks this down much further.