Why are we christians in the habit of misapplying this text?

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The one translated fulfilled.
The translation I provided in Post #130 and Post #134 was from Thayer's Greek Lexicon.

According to Thayer's, the word plēroō is defined as

of sayings, promises, prophecies, to bring to pass, ratify, accomplish

and Thayer's specifically references Matt 1:22 and Luke 4:21 in defining plēroō as "to bring to pass, ratify, accomplish"


Thayer's also defines the word plēroō as

to make complete in every particular; to render perfect

and Thayer's references 2 Thessalonians 1:11; Philippians 2:2; John 3:29; John 15:11; John 16:24; John 17:13; 1 John 1:4; 2 John 1:12; Revelation 3:2 in defining plēroō as "to make complete in every particular; to render perfect".



https://biblehub.com/greek/4137.htm
 

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A possible solution someone came up with is "J. I. Packer: “The point here is that the sensus plenior which texts acquire in their wider biblical context remains an extrapolation on the grammatico-historical plane, not a new projection on to the plane of allegory. And, though God may have more to say to us from each text than its human writer had in mind, God’s meaning is never less than his. What he means, God means.” (J. I. Packer, “Biblical Authority, Hermeneutics, and Inerrancy,” in Jerusalem and Athens: Critical Discussions on the Philosophy and Apologetics of Cornelius Van Til, ed. E. R. Geehan (Nutley, N.J.: Presbyterian and Reformed, 1977), 147–48.) " I lost the link, too many pages open.

"defining plēroō as "to make complete in every particular; to render perfect". "
 

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"Pardes" refers to (types of) approaches to biblical exegesis in rabbinic Judaism or to interpretation of text in Torah study. The term, sometimes also rendered PaRDeS, is an acronym formed from the initials of the following four approaches:

Peshat (פְּשָׁט‎) – "surface" ("straight") or the literal (direct) meaning.[1]
Remez (רֶמֶז‎) – "hints" or the deep (allegoric: hidden or symbolic) meaning beyond just the literal sense.
Derash (דְּרַשׁ‎) – from Hebrew darash: "inquire" ("seek") – the comparative (midrashic) meaning, as given through similar occurrences.
Sod
(סוֹד‎) (pronounced with a long O as in 'lore') – "secret" ("mystery") or the esoteric/mystical meaning, as given through inspiration or revelation.
Each type of Pardes interpretation examines the extended meaning of a text.

I lost the link, too many pages open.
 

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"Pardes" refers to (types of) approaches to biblical exegesis in rabbinic Judaism or to interpretation of text in Torah study. The term, sometimes also rendered PaRDeS, is an acronym formed from the initials of the following four approaches:

Peshat (פְּשָׁט‎) – "surface" ("straight") or the literal (direct) meaning.[1]
Remez (רֶמֶז‎) – "hints" or the deep (allegoric: hidden or symbolic) meaning beyond just the literal sense.
Derash (דְּרַשׁ‎) – from Hebrew darash: "inquire" ("seek") – the comparative (midrashic) meaning, as given through similar occurrences.
Sod
(סוֹד‎) (pronounced with a long O as in 'lore') – "secret" ("mystery") or the esoteric/mystical meaning, as given through inspiration or revelation.
Each type of Pardes interpretation examines the extended meaning of a text.

I lost the link, too many pages open.
 
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And, though God may have more to say to us from each text than its human writer had in mind ...
the "human writers" (your term) wrote what they were told to write. God is the Author of Scripture.


Jeremiah 36 tells us exactly how that works ... read the whole chapter. Very informative.