Why did God create Humans ?

[DeepSeeker]

What was The Tree in Eden ? ?

 

[homwardbound]

I agree.

But we have to discern and be Bereans. God gave us gifted teachers to teach us.

I would have never seen the Gospel message in the geneology of Genesis 5 without a good teacher.

That be what gets, one started, in searching it all out and motivated to read the entire
Bible for themselves. Mine started, when I heard a pastor named Bob George, (Past from here now, alive there with Father and Son as Won.) say over the radio, we all are forgiven by God Father and Son. I had questioned this, I was very busy, trying to keep forgiven and thus did n to love as called by God, to love others as am called by God to do willingly. Therefore, I went after reading to find out if it is true or not, Is Jesus the last sacrifice for sin or not?
It is true, Jesus did do it, John 1:29, John 19:30, he said he came here to earth to fulfill Law and Prophets, Matthew 5:17, he did do it, and Law is not taken away yet. Still need Law for those not in 100% belief sin taken away by God through Son, the two married as Won, (One) for us to believe, God, receive and see, and walk new in love and mercy to all others, thank you Lord.
Yet, I did get caught up at 1 John 1:9 for a while, the Christian bar of soap, I now call it. Then I started seeing first chapter of 1John, which, history reveals it is the writing from John, to the Gnostics. These were people in a gathering, that did not beleive Jesus came here to earth in the flesh. Since no flesh can please God. So John wrote the Epistle to prayerfully correct Gnosticism. That is why John said we have tasted, touched, felt and ate with Jesus. The verse nine of 1 John 1, I got to see in the greek the English is not translated correctly, it states past tense in the Greek. Then seeing Chapter 2 and seeing 1 John 2:1-2, blew my mind, then seeing the rest of those verses from verse 1 to 27 , I concluded, thankfully to God we are all forgiven by God Father in Son the two as Won for us all. Woe I said and saw Isaiah 6:1-7, Eph 1:6,7,13, 2 Cor 5:17-20.
God started opening up to me and has been training me in love to all people, regardless who anyone else is or even claims to be
I saw, when Jesus said if I only love those that love me, how can I claim to believe God and not love all. Seeing. he went one time to that cross willingly, to reconcile us all first. Then risen to give new life in his risen Life for us to love all also.
Thanks as we each learn new
Hebrews 5:12- Chapter 6, Hebrews 4:9-13
Oh, I am still in process too, thank you

 

[homwardbound]

“The three I see as One. Like we have a body, a soul and a Spirit”

yeah I can understand that.

Amazing grace, once seen from Daddy, PaPa, Father Grace is amazing. John Newton, saw it, God revealed it to him, and he left the slave trade, he was involved in, when God called him, and is the Author of "Amazing Grace( Holy Spirit) leading and guiding us over the self or anyone else. We can see 1 John 2:27, I surely can in thanksgiving and praise, no needing to lead anyone, just tell, others about God's love for us all y'all, amazing

 

[Robertt]

For fellowship.
This is my understanding.
How’s our fellowship different from the angels in relation to God?

I’m not sure of the technical details but some interpretations say that Luficer did not want to bow down to the idea that humans were God’s favorite creation - which is why it lead him to be prideful and rebel.

lucifer rebelled before humans were made or at the instant as he was in the garden .

 

[Robertt]

If you had a choice would you want people who loved you because they had no choice but to love you because you forced it ?

Or would you want people to love you freely of thier own self because they know you ?

Love isn’t love if it isnt given freely iof one’s own self

“And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭1:26-29‬ ‭KJV‬‬

if man has no choice or freedom to choose then mans love isn’t from his heart

amgels had free choice so it wasnt a desire to have a free will love and worship in return God already had that from the angels

 

[Robertt]

Angels are forced by how they are created to worship God.
So when they worship God it's because God made them to be like robots.

With human beings, we can choose whether or not to worship God.
So when a human being chooses to worship God it's by choice and has a greater and meaningful result because the worship is done out of love for God. Not because God forced them to do it.

This is so not true. 1/3 of the angels chose to not follow God.

they are definitly not Robots.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

amgels had free choice so it wasnt a desire to have a free will love and worship in return God already had that from the angels

Who was made in his image and given dominion on earth as he was in heaven though ?

My opinion is that he created man in his image and likeness for children who willingly and freely love him in return . Fellowship with him ect

Why he created men was the question he could have created angels for any reason and it wouldn’t change why he created mankind . But notice there’s no other creature made in his image and likeness . Mankind is intended to be the children of God and hiers of the earth with Christ

 

[lrs68]

This is so not true. 1/3 of the angels chose to not follow God.

they are definitly not Robots.

Which Angels left, the ones in charge of Worship like the Bible proclaims?

But I mean their functions are limited unlike us that are able to do a multitude of different things.

 

[Robertt]

Which Angels left, the ones in charge of Worship like the Bible proclaims?

But I mean their functions are limited unlike us that are able to do a multitude of different things.

lucifer was the chief of the music. so he must have been involved in the worship too.

but hey the more i read on the forums the more i realise i am not like any others here.

there is no way i have the same spirit as others on here. and as i am in minoirty i am obviosuly wrong in my learnings.

Ill move along. and try and find another way to find answers

 

[lrs68]

lucifer was the chief of the music. so he must have been involved in the worship too.

but hey the more i read on the forums the more i realise i am not like any others here.

there is no way i have the same spirit as others on here. and as i am in minoirty i am obviosuly wrong in my learnings.

Ill move along. and try and find another way to find answers

I was thinking lucifer in my prior post.

What is your question?

 

[JimiSurvivor]

Maybe a new thread?

In the meanwhile.

Before man was created, it was just the angels and God.
In their beginning, none of the angels were fallen.

As Adan had dominion over the earth, the angels were given dominion over the prehistoric world.
Certain passages in the Bible give us glimpses into that prehistoric world.

In the meanwhile, the fossils and archeological evidence that man uncovers, also gives us glimpses as well.

As Adam was assigned to care for his domain?
So were angels given such an assignment.

Lucifer got bored with it and wanted better things.

In a nutshell.
There you have it.

I don't know how you can deduce that Satan was motivated by boredom though undoubtedly he wanted to become a perverted fasimili OF GOD like an idol image receiving adulation he does not deserve and and enforcing his image and will on us though the desires of the world, the flesh and Satan himself. The angels who stayed with God apparently are content to remain in the estate they were assigned to. They do not desire to promote themselves. I see no evidence that Satan CREATES earthly creatures. He does not have life to give

 

[Genez]

I agree.

But we have to discern and be Bereans. God gave us gifted teachers to teach us.

I would have never seen the Gospel message in the geneology of Genesis 5 without a good teacher.

The Bereans were the most open minded.
Paul's message sounded almost

I don't know how you can deduce that Satan was motivated by boredom though undoubtedly he wanted to become a perverted fasimili OF GOD like an idol image receiving adulation he does not deserve and and enforcing his image and will on us though the desires of the world, the flesh and Satan himself. The angels who stayed with God apparently are content to remain in the estate they were assigned to. They do not desire to promote themselves. I see no evidence that Satan CREATES earthly creatures. He does not have life to give

Satan became bored with God calling the shots.
He found it exciting to assume he could do better himself...

 

[Pilgrimshope]

I don't know how you can deduce that Satan was motivated by boredom though undoubtedly he wanted to become a perverted fasimili OF GOD like an idol image receiving adulation he does not deserve and and enforcing his image and will on us though the desires of the world, the flesh and Satan himself. The angels who stayed with God apparently are content to remain in the estate they were assigned to. They do not desire to promote themselves. I see no evidence that Satan CREATES earthly creatures. He does not have life to give

Amen , Satan tempts and corrupts them he doesn’t create them .

“but every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.

Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin:

and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death. Do not err, my beloved brethren.”
‭‭James‬ ‭1:14-16‬ ‭

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Which Angels left, the ones in charge of Worship like the Bible proclaims?

But I mean their functions are limited unlike us that are able to do a multitude of different things.

chapter one of Hebrews compares angels and mankind the children

“For to which of the angels did God ever say, “You are my Son; today I have become your Father”? ( he says that to believers in Christ )

Or again, “I will be his Father, and he will be my Son”? ( he says that to those in Christ his son ) And again, when God brings his firstborn ( Jesus the son ) into the world, he says, “Let all God’s angels worship him.”

In speaking of the angels he says, “He makes his angels spirits, and his servants flames of fire.”

….Are not all angels ministering spirits sent to minister to those who inherit salvation?”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭1:5-7, 14‬ ‭NIV‬‬

some more here

“Since the children have flesh and blood, he too shared in their humanity so that by his death he might break the power of him who holds the power of death—that is, the devil— and free those who all their lives were held in slavery by their fear of death.

For surely it is not angels he helps, but Abraham’s descendants. For this reason he had to be made like them, fully human in every way, in order that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in service to God, and that he might make atonement for the sins of the people.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭2:14-

men are the children of God made in his image and likeness given the earth and dominion upon it . It seems some of the angels were t happy that God chose mankind in the beginning and not angels to hold dominion over us lesser creatures. Making then mediators and messengers and ministers to the hiers of salvation mankind the children

 

[homwardbound]

Thank you so much for the recommendations.

I have have not read his books but Andrew Farley is the best, I have read/listened to some of his work online, he is one of the completely NON-Calvinist/Reformed amazing Grace teacher I know.

Truth, he had Bob George teach him. Bob George before left here on earth had "People to People ministries, on radio air daily, I think there is an archive on line still.
He also wrote other books, like "Complete in Christ" "Living above your circumstances"
Classic Christianity Was my best read.
I went to "Classic Christianity" Conferences two of them
One I got tapes from it, and listened to them over and over again and again.
Thanks. Ultimately, it was/is for me at least God getting me through it all

 

[homwardbound]

lucifer rebelled before humans were made or at the instant as he was in the garden .

However, Satan did not believe God and was jealous of God's creation. So the people got tempted And God said go ahead. As in Job 1 to me is deeper than the Mississippi river.
God love us all, y'all, so ego ahead and get mad or accept temptation to learn from or get hauled out in stress over it as many have. I have been there, now pulled out and still have troubles. Now, not depressed anymore over them, thanks to Father and Son.

 

[HeIsHere]

Truth, he had Bob George teach him. Bob George before left here on earth had "People to People ministries, on radio air daily, I think there is an archive on line still.
He also wrote other books, like "Complete in Christ" "Living above your circumstances"
Classic Christianity Was my best read.
I went to "Classic Christianity" Conferences two of them
One I got tapes from it, and listened to them over and over again and again.
Thanks. Ultimately, it was/is for me at least God getting me through it all

I did a quick search on Bob George, yes the book Classic Christianity does look very interesting.
Thanks!

 

[homwardbound]

I did a quick search on Bob George, yes the book Classic Christianity does look very interesting.
Thanks!

Welcome, Another Book written, called "The Shack" do not remember the Author, yet insightful to me also
Now is a movie on "Netflix"
About a person (Fictional) who went through a terrible tragedy. As I saw this, I went through my own tragedies also. So, interested, I watched and thought it Wass better than the book
It helped in my youngest Sister's death at age 18, I was 14 when this happened and hurt deeply over it
For me to see God (Even though revealed first as a woman) to Mack at the Shack where his tragedy of his little girl happened, and died also.
It gets me in me and brings tears in my Soul. I always seek to learn this lover of God for us all, when we all go through troubles also
I remember, what God as a Mother woman told Mack.
I do not orchestrate any troubles ever. I use them to help you move past them and not be stuck in them. Which is why God called Mack to the Shack to begin with. Then towards the End, Daddy, PaPa, Father shows up to Mack as a Father, God sincerely loves us all y'all
If get the chance, might get a lot from that also.
I see to watch movies, read books and look for any Gold Nuggets I might find in them
And oh boy One gigantic Gold Nugget I got from the Movie "Bruce Almighty" was
When Bruce asked God.
"How can I get anyone to love me, without taking away free will?"
Got me seeing, the reason why we are given free will from God
Without free will to choose God or not, God would not be able to claim God does just love us all.
1 John 2:1-27

 

[DeepSeeker]

This is so not true. 1/3 of the angels chose to not follow God.

they are definitly not Robots.

This is so not true. 1/3 of the angels chose to not follow God.

they are definitly not Robots.

 

[DeepSeeker]

Does God force any of His creation ? If so, Then God is not a fair God! OR, did The Angels, by choice, do that which They chose to do ?

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