Why did God create Humans ?

Robertt · 2025-06-08T23:27:11-0400

Another question for open discussion

Why did God create Human kind.?

When i first heard of God / Jesus in a Youth Group they taught God created humankind as he wanted fellowship with a species that had free will

I of course read the bible and it soon became apparent that the Angels that God created first already had free will. eg Lucifer chose to disobey.

So why?

I still not sure why , so happy to hear peoples thoughts.

Eli1 · 2025-06-09T01:50:18-0400

Robertt said:

For fellowship.
This is my understanding.
How’s our fellowship different from the angels in relation to God?

I’m not sure of the technical details but some interpretations say that Luficer did not want to bow down to the idea that humans were God’s favorite creation - which is why it lead him to be prideful and rebel.

Daisy2 · 2025-06-09T01:57:11-0400

Eli1 said:

That's interesting I've never heard of that theory. I was under the assumption that becuase lucifer was closest to God he Got prideful.

blueluna5 · 2025-06-09T02:03:22-0400

I agree with the fellowship. He has fellowship with angels too. That doesn't mean he wouldn't want people. He wanted a family so he created one.

Unfortunately his children do not listen very well so he sends us here... like going to school. 😆

Looking at it from God's eyes he literally gets to experience life through his creation which is probably very fun when you're an eternal God. It's cute to watch our own kids and he gets to actually see everything from our point of view. All the ups and downs. He gets to live through and teach us things.

"Listen to me, descendants of Jacob, all you who remain in Israel. I have cared for you since you were born. Yes, I carried you before you were born. I will be your God throughout your lifetime—until your hair is white with age. I made you, and I will care for you. I will carry you along and save you."

The things that are not so pleasant obviously was Jesus dying. Why go through all of that? Idk other than he is love and must have seen that the end justified the means in some way only he would know.

blueluna5 · 2025-06-09T02:11:57-0400

Eli1 said:

I've heard of the we're the favorite ones as well. Only problem is Roman 2:11 For God does not show favoritism.

But that doesn't mean Lucifer didn't think we were the favorite if angels were told to protect and watch over us. 🤔 Even though the only reason they had to was because of Lucifer, essentially. Ironic.

ewq1938 · 2025-06-09T02:22:27-0400

God wanted children, beings lower than the angels.

GWH · 2025-06-09T05:42:21-0400

Robertt said:

In order to bless them with Edenic life (Gen.1:28).
In order to bless them with heavenly life (John 3:16).

Pilgrimshope · 2025-06-09T10:55:27-0400

Robertt said:

If you had a choice would you want people who loved you because they had no choice but to love you because you forced it ?

Or would you want people to love you freely of thier own self because they know you ?

Love isn’t love if it isnt given freely iof one’s own self

“And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭1:26-29‬ ‭KJV‬‬

if man has no choice or freedom to choose then mans love isn’t from his heart

lrs68 · 2025-06-09T11:02:51-0400

Angels are forced by how they are created to worship God.
So when they worship God it's because God made them to be like robots.

With human beings, we can choose whether or not to worship God.
So when a human being chooses to worship God it's by choice and has a greater and meaningful result because the worship is done out of love for God. Not because God forced them to do it.

studier · 2025-06-09T11:10:31-0400

I'm flagging a couple RBThieme students to explain their Pastor's study of the Angelic Conflict.

@Genez @Kroogz

GWH · 2025-06-09T11:18:39-0400

GWH said:

It is NOT so humans would sin: lie, murder, riot, abet lying, abet murder and abet destruction--
IOW, create hell on earth.

Genez · 2025-06-09T11:27:19-0400

studier said:

Maybe a new thread?

In the meanwhile.

Before man was created, it was just the angels and God.
In their beginning, none of the angels were fallen.

As Adan had dominion over the earth, the angels were given dominion over the prehistoric world.
Certain passages in the Bible give us glimpses into that prehistoric world.

In the meanwhile, the fossils and archeological evidence that man uncovers, also gives us glimpses as well.

As Adam was assigned to care for his domain?
So were angels given such an assignment.

Lucifer got bored with it and wanted better things.

In a nutshell.
There you have it.

Cameron143 · 2025-06-09T11:32:14-0400

God created mankind, as well as all things, to glorify Himself. What is uniquely true of humans is that they most glorify God when they are enjoying Him. And they most enjoy God when they know Him. Thankfully, this corresponds with what God is doing according to Habakkuk 2:14...filling the earth with the knowledge of His glory.

There is much more to say on the topic, but this should get you started.

Genez · 2025-06-09T11:43:03-0400

Cameron143 said:

Thank you for your very generalizing comment.
Maybe, @studier could reconnect, and the discussion can be continued.

lrs68 · 2025-06-09T11:56:47-0400

Cameron143 said:

Does God get this Glory for Himself when His Creation chooses to worship Him as God or rejects Him [Romans 1]?

Genez · 2025-06-09T11:56:57-0400

lrs68 said:

The angels were under testing.
Just as Adam was, while he was assigned to name all the animals.

When Adam competed his task (which could have taken many years) God then changed things and gave Adam a companion to have wonderful sex with.

The angels also had some sort of assignment with the prehistoric animals.
If the assignment was completed?
They would have been blessed by God with receiving their females to have wonderful sex with.

God had a plan to bless the angels.
Adam completed his task and received his blessing.
Certain angels became self-important and refused.

The angels only learned what they had missed out on when God unveiled man and the woman in the Garden.

In a nutshell....

Cameron143 · 2025-06-09T12:02:41-0400

lrs68 said:

God is glorified whether people come to Him or resist Him. In the former case His love is on display and made known and He is exalted this. In the latter, His righteousness is on display and He is glorified therein.

lrs68 · 2025-06-09T12:11:38-0400

Cameron143 said:

Amen!

Rejected or Accepted God is still exalted no matter what

lrs68 · 2025-06-09T12:16:48-0400

Genez said:

You are talking about Jeremiah chapter 4.

And we know they were ultimately tested after the fact because originally we see them as kind of robotic Worshipping and doing God's Will. But we see their free will when some choose to turn against God and Genesis 3, 6, 12, and elsewhere Psalms 83, Deuteronomy 32 shows us a different side including the Prophets Isaiah and Ezekiel directly dealing along with Gabriel informing Daniel about one specifically.

studier · 2025-06-09T12:32:11-0400

I'd just say in general that RBThieme's study of the Angelic Conflict (which includes the purpose of God's creation of man) is very interesting and I'd couple it with a study of the word "witness" - a legal concept - in Scripture and to contemplating it in conjunction with RBT's study, and I'd at minimum add the "Unseen Realm" book by Michael Heiser (trailer link here).

An excerpt from Unseen Realm (my bold highlights). This is following a subchapter entitled "Game On" and then this excerpt's subchapter "Ground Zero: The Gates of Hell" explaining that Jesus was launching His ministry at the place essentially known in the ancient world as the place of Satan's Abode. IOW, Jesus in the beginning of His ministry went right to the adversary's door and became the aggressor to take back the earth. Christians are a part of this after Jesus secured the victory and very few of us seem to understand our purpose or what we're involved in:

The basis for Catholicism’s contention that the Church is built on Peter’s leadership is that his name means “stone.” 14 For sure there is wordplay going on in Peter’s confession, but I would suggest there is also an important double entendre: the “rock” refers to the mountain location where Jesus makes the statement. When viewed from this perspective, Peter confesses Jesus as the Christ, the Son of the living God, at “this rock” (this mountain— Mount Hermon). Why? This place was considered the “gates of hell,” the gateway to the realm of the dead, in Old Testament times. 15 The theological messaging couldn’t be more dramatic. Jesus says he will build his church— and the “gates of hell” will not prevail against it. We often think of this phrase as though God’s people are in a posture of having to bravely fend off Satan and his demons. This simply isn’t correct. Gates are defensive structures, not offensive weapons. The kingdom of God is the aggressor. 16 Jesus begins at ground zero in the cosmic geography of both testaments to announce the great reversal. It is the gates of hell that are under assault— and they will not hold up against the Church. Hell will one day be Satan’s tomb.

Heiser, Michael S.. The Unseen Realm: Recovering the Supernatural Worldview of the Bible (pp. 284-285). Lexham Press. Kindle Edition.

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