Why do so many people say they are saved by Jesus when, by their own admission,

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p_rehbein said:
I don't know anyone who professes to be saved that does not know that is the precious blood of Jesus that cleansed them of their sin, and made it possible for them to be called the children of God. Every Christian I have ever met knows AT LEAST one Scripture by heart, that being John 3:16.

John, Chapter 3:

15That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

16For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
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Not everyone who believes Jesus Christ is the Savior chooses to believe Jesus Christ correctly.
 
Magenta said:
Not really, because it is a logical fallacy. Not knowing if you/they are choosing to believe
Jesus correctly or not, does not equate to believing it is not necessary to believe Jesus.
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Knowing Jesus Christ is the Savior and correctly believing Jesus Christ are two different things.
 
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Magenta said:
It has nothing to do whether one is confident or not. The question was,

Why do so many people say they are saved by Jesus when, by their own admission, they don't even know if they
are choosing to believe Jesus correctly or not? And it was tied to, Why don't they believe it is necessary to believe
Jesus? Not having confidence has nothing to do with whether or not one believes it is necessary to believe.

I have not received an answer yet to how soon it was after OP repented and believed that they had no more fear or doubt.

That we are exhorted to work out our own salvation with fear and
trembling means fear/doubt is to be expected, don't you think?
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Those who are saved have no fear/doubt.
 
Bob-Carabbio said:
People who are lost spiritually have no concept of being born again, since it's not anything they've experienced.

after all satan and all his folks believe in Jesus, but aren't "born again".

Being Born again STARTS with CONVICTION OF SIN by the Holy SPirit, which is also the foundation for saving Faith (God's WORD TO YOU).

WHen a person surrenders, and REPENTS of their SIN, then the Holuy SPirit will indwell, and open the person's eyes to the SPiritual kingdom of God. THEN they can start to learn of him, since before they weren't able to.
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What happens if someone chooses to not believe Jesus Christ correctly?
 
HumbleBee said:
God gives everyone sufficient grace to believe Jesus Christ correctly.
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the question was if you don't believe how can you feal condemned

If your a believer and you believe you get conviction of the holy spirit if you have done something incorrectly

What im asking you is do people who don't believe get conviction of the holy spirit
 
Thunderrr-mental said:
would you say a softening of your heart is conviction of sin 😊
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I wouldn't use that terminology at all personally.

Conviction of SIN was (for me) an acute consciousness of specific SINS that I had done that the Holy Spirit brought to my attention, and an equally acute conciousness of impending judgement, and the knowledge that I'd be of the "Goat" side of that event, and HELL was my eternal destination - unless.

SO the last time Conviction came, I was finally ready to respond, surrendering to God, and crying out in repentance for Salvation.

And then everything changed, and I was New, and CLEAN - not so much "Forgiven", as Completely cleansed of my SIN and perfect before God. I learned some days later that the CHANGE was when the Holy Spirit joined Himself with MY spirit, and I was "Born Again" spiritually.

As frosting on the cake, the next morning I woke up, and wasn't a "Smoker" anymore. For the last 7-8 years, I'd been burning 3 packs of Lucky Strikes a day (imagine what that would cost now!!!) and suddenly it was GONE - no withdrawal, no craving, just GONE as if I'd never smoked in my life. (more to that story).
 
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Thunderrr-mental said:
the question was if you don't believe how can you feal condemned

If your a believer and you believe you get conviction of the holy spirit if you have done something incorrectly

What im asking you is do people who don't believe get conviction of the holy spirit
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A person who chooses to not believe correctly gets convicted by the Holy Spirit that they are not believing correctly. Most people refuse to respond correctly to the Holy Spirit.
 
Bob-Carabbio said:
I wouldn't use that terminology at all personally.

Conviction of SIN was (for me) an acute consciousness of specific SINS that I had done that the Holy Spirit brought to my attention, and an equally acute conciousness of impending judgement, and the knowledge that I'd be of the "Goat" side of that event, and HELL was my eternal destination - unless.

SO the last time Conviction came, I was finally ready to respond, surrendering to God, and crying out in repentance for Salvation.

And then everything changed, and I was New, and CLEAN - not so much "Forgiven", as Completely cleansed of my SIN and perfect before God. I learned some days later that the CHANGE was when the Holy Spirit joined Himself with MY spirit, and I was "Born Again" spiritually.

As frosting on the cake, the next morning I woke up, and wasn't a "Smoker" anymore. For the last 7-8 years, I'd been burning 3 packs of Lucky Strikes a day (imagine what that would cost now!!!) and suddenly it was GONE - no withdrawal, no craving, just GONE as if I'd never smoked in my life. (more to that story).
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I suppose it's different for people for me it was an end to my heart that was rebellious.

I wanted revenge and the lord took away that from me the change was quick I just let everything go at the drop of a hat. And where I would normally get really annoyed quite quickly it was something that changed dramatically quite quickly when further annoyances came up
 
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