Why God the Father considered this fruit as forbidden?

[Godsgood]

Your post tells me that you don’t understand what I wrote, or don’t care. Your chosen ignorance is on your head.

It is very difficult to a man to humble himself or herself to God.
2 CHRONICLE 7:14
14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.

Although we can hear to the people that they surrender all to God.
It is hard for them to surrender what they clearly understand in the words of God.
And so they are saying God is not speaking in parables.

How about what the people speak that they are willing to surrender all to God?
This is what the Lord God said.
ISAIAH 29:13
13 Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men:

Even the Lord Jesus saw it.
MATTHEW 15:8-9
8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

In The Old Testament, God the Father is speaking in parables (Psalms 78:2 & Ezekiel 20:29).

In the New Testament the Lord Jesus is speaking in Parables too (Mark 4:34)
MATTHEW 13:10-13
10 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?
11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
12 For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.
13 Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.

Can you tell this to Lord Jesus?

Your chosen ignorance is on your head
That means NOTHING in the New Testament can be understood directly. ZERO.

 

[Dino246]

It is very difficult to a man to humble himself or herself to God.
2 CHRONICLE 7:14
14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.

Although we can hear to the people that they surrender all to God.
It is hard for them to surrender what they clearly understand in the words of God.
And so they are saying God is not speaking in parables.

How about what the people speak that they are willing to surrender all to God?
This is what the Lord God said.
ISAIAH 29:13
13 Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men:

Even the Lord Jesus saw it.
MATTHEW 15:8-9
8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

In The Old Testament, God the Father is speaking in parables (Psalms 78:2 & Ezekiel 20:29).

In the New Testament the Lord Jesus is speaking in Parables too (Mark 4:34)
MATTHEW 13:10-13
10 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?
11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
12 For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.
13 Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.

Can you tell this to Lord Jesus?

Your chosen ignorance is on your head
That means NOTHING in the New Testament can be understood directly. ZERO.

Your entire post is irrelevant blather. You are completely sidestepping the issue at hand.

 

[Lovette]

GENESIS 2:16-17
16 And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:

17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

With great power comes great responsibility. Adam and Eve were not mature enough to take that responsibility.

 

[Lovette]

We do not know what type of fruit it was. We do know that Yehovah wanted them to love him, as he does us. To love freely, we must have a choice to choose. Adam and eve were tempted by a fruit that probably smelled good and was sweet to eat.
Our fruit may be drugs, porn, alcohol, our house, sports, or many other things. Like the tree of good and evil, it draws us. We have the same choice as Adam and eve choose the bad fruit over the good. Yeshua wants us to eat of the tree with good fruit. All sin is forbidden to believers. So we must always choose the good fruit from the tree of life, Yeshua

Knowledge itself is neutral, and God never intended to withhold it from mankind forever. He rewarded Solomon with the gift of discerning good and evil, making him the wisest man.

 

[Godsgood]

It is very difficult to a man to humble himself or herself to God.
2 CHRONICLE 7:14
14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.

Although we can hear to the people that they surrender all to God.
It is hard for them to surrender what they clearly understand in the words of God.
And so they are saying God is not speaking in parables.

How about what the people speak that they are willing to surrender all to God?
This is what the Lord God said.
ISAIAH 29:13
13 Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men:

Even the Lord Jesus saw it.
MATTHEW 15:8-9
8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

In The Old Testament, God the Father is speaking in parables (Psalms 78:2 & Ezekiel 20:29).

In the New Testament the Lord Jesus is speaking in Parables too (Mark 4:34)
MATTHEW 13:10-13
10 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?
11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
12 For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.
13 Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.

Can you tell this to Lord Jesus?

Your chosen ignorance is on your head
That means NOTHING in the New Testament can be understood directly. ZERO.

If Jesus is saying he is speaking in parables.
Is it appropriate to tell Jesus?
When you were born in Bethlehem is a parable?
When you were sentenced by Pontius Pilate and carried your cross is a parable?
When you died on the cross is a parable?

I don't think it is appropriate.

Just believe what Jesus said he is speaking in parables (Mark 4:34 & Matt 13-10-13) and let him to reveal why and how.
This is the real surrender to Jesus by humbling oneself.

 

[Dino246]

If Jesus is saying he is speaking in parables.
Is it appropriate to tell Jesus?
When you were born in Bethlehem is a parable?
When you were sentenced by Pontius Pilate and carried your cross is a parable?
When you died on the cross is a parable?

I don't think it is appropriate.

Just believe what Jesus said he is speaking in parables (Mark 4:34 & Matt 13-10-13) and let him to reveal why and how.
This is the real surrender to Jesus by humbling oneself.

You contradict yourself. If you are “thinking” something is not appropriate, then by your own claim, you are not doing what you advocate: letting Jesus reveal how these things are parables.

You clearly remain unteachable and are now doing mental gymnastics to avoid owning your folly.

 

[Nedsk]

They ate the fruit of their disobedience. Was it a piece of fruit? God could have said, do not
cross this line, and they would have done it. They put themselves on the throne wanting
to determine what was right and wrong for themselves. It is what ails the world.

Pride not disobedience was their sin.

 

[Godsgood]

Let us read what God the Father said;
ECCLESIASTES 1:9
9 The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.

Since Paul wrote this.
ROMANS 7:14
14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

So with Ecclesiastes 1:9 God is referring to spiritual and not literal physical.
It happens all the time spiritually and not literal physical.

Therefore the Garden of Eden was in New Testament too where the 3 kinds of trees planted according to their description.

We can find the 3 kinds of Trees in the words of God in the Old Testament (What the Jews follow).
1. PLEASANT TO THE SIGHT AND GOOD FOR FOOD.
The Scribes and the Pharisees implemented the words of God to follow the commandments in letter.
Ex: Thou shalt not steal
Thou shalt not commit adultery
Thou shalt not kill
By following these commandments the flesh profits. Because it can give a peace and happy living.
*IT IS GOOD TO SEE AND GOOD TO FOLLOW TO HAVE A BETTER LIVING.

2. TREE OF LIFE
Thru the revelation of God to the truth in his words. It gives life or it can save the soul.
Ex: Temple means Body of Christ.
*IT GIVES LIFE

3. TREE OF KNOWLEDGE OF GOOD AND EVIL.
The Scribes and the Pharisees believe that following God's commandments to the words of God in letter is a basis to salvation.
With this they set up a standard on what is good and what is evil.
Ex: Scribes & Pharisees (religious leaders) are good.
Mary Magdalene is Evil
IT MAKES A PERSON WISE & PRUDENT.

People today who are believing the words of God unconssciously they are picking fruits from the forbidden tree.This is why the different groups in Christianity today are divided.
Everyone became wise & prudent and so they set up their own standard for good & evil.
The standard of God for good & evil has been abondoned.

No wonder why they have different recognition to Jesus, have different doctrines and different way of salvation.

But according to Lord Jesus.
ROMANS 2:12
12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;

 

[Godsgood]

You contradict yourself. If you are “thinking” something is not appropriate, then by your own claim, you are not doing what you advocate: letting Jesus reveal how these things are parables.

You clearly remain unteachable and are now doing mental gymnastics to avoid owning your folly.

You clearly remain unteachable and are now doing mental gymnastics to avoid owning your folly.
It begins to show that you are teaching the words of God.
The truth is: No one on earth could teach (capable) the words of God but the Lord Jesus only.
MATTHEW 23:8-9
8 But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren.
9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.

 

[TruthDefender]

With great power comes great responsibility. Adam and Eve were not mature enough to take that responsibility.

Idk about responsibility, but like all men, and I think we are no different, they were disobedient to God. He gave them one command, to not eat of one tree. One!

 

[TruthDefender]

People today who are believing the words of God unconssciously they are picking fruits from the forbidden tree.This is why the different groups in Christianity today are divided.
Everyone became wise & prudent and so they set up their own standard for good & evil.
The standard of God for good & evil has been abondoned.

No wonder why they have different recognition to Jesus, have different doctrines and different way of salvation.

But according to Lord Jesus.
ROMANS 2:12
12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;

However, we’re not under law.

“Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3‬:‭24‬-‭25‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

 

[Dino246]

You clearly remain unteachable and are now doing mental gymnastics to avoid owning your folly.
It begins to show that you are teaching the words of God.
The truth is: No one on earth could teach (capable) the words of God but the Lord Jesus only.
MATTHEW 23:8-9
8 But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren.
9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.

More rank ignorance of Scripture on display.

Ephesians 4:11-12 So Christ himself gave the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, the pastors and teachers, 12 to equip his people for works of service, so that the body of Christ may be built up

 

[TruthDefender]

Going back to the thread subject:

-The serpent lied.
-Both Adam and Eve disobeyed God’s command by touching it and eating it.

“Then the serpent said to the woman, “You will not surely die. For God knows that in the day you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”
So when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree desirable to make one wise, she took of its fruit and ate.
She also gave to her husband with her, and he ate.
Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together and made themselves coverings.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭3‬:‭4‬-‭7‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

 

[Lovette]

Idk about responsibility, but like all men, and I think we are no different, they were disobedient to God. He gave them one command, to not eat of one tree. One!

Ever heard of the Streisand effect? The more you try to conceal, to censor, to suppress something, the more attention you draw to that thing.

 

[JohnDB]

GENESIS 2:16-17
16 And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:

17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

If you know the 613 laws it's very obvious which fruit it was.

The first of anything belongs to God.
Including the first fruits a young tree would produce.
And that's the fruit Adam and Eve were not to eat but instead give it to God. An offering....

But that's what Adam and Eve did....

Kinda odd to people from this day and age....but it's the literal thing that they did. Especially in a society that did not have money....the fruit would be valuable. But they had a garden.

 

[homwardbound]

Ever heard of the Streisand effect? The more you try to conceal, to censor, to suppress something, the more attention you draw to that thing.

That is like getting put under Law to do right. then one hides when doesn't do it right. Kind of like Adam and Eve who ran off and hid. Still going on presently is it not
How to get out from under Law to upholding law as goof for you. to see new in trust to Father's lead, the same as Jesus did

 

[Lovette]

That is like getting put under Law to do right. then one hides when doesn't do it right. Kind of like Adam and Eve who ran off and hid. Still going on presently is it not
How to get out from under Law to upholding law as goof for you. to see new in trust to Father's lead, the same as Jesus did

The knowledge of good and evil was not meant to be forever forbidden from mankind, God gifted it to Solomon, making him the wisest man. The tragedy, as I mentioned earlier, is that Adam and Eve took the forbidden fruit prematurely before they were ready. It was like a kid laying his hand on a real gun with live ammo for toy.

 

[homwardbound]

The knowledge of good and evil was not meant to be forever forbidden from mankind, God gifted it to Solomon, making him the wisest man. The tragedy, as I mentioned earlier, is that Adam and Eve took the forbidden fruit prematurely before they were ready. It was like a kid laying his hand on a real gun with live ammo for toy.

Interesting, thanks Lovette
Yet I do not see anything out of God's seeing. being in love with his creation God created Adam and Eve, which was subverted by evil to begin with. The age old serpent, said to them they would be as God, if they ate. They fell into the deception and both ate. To see their need for God's lead through them willingly as Jesus has revealed in his walk here on earth for us all presently and forever..
They were put out of the Garden of Eden to find out for themselves to go and see for themselves they need God. And that has passed down to everyone first born of in flesh and blood from and and woman having sex.
As if God did not know or does not know!

Gd before the knowledge of good and evil entered into mankind, God saw as good. knowing Adam and Eve would eat from the tree, even before they chose to eat from it.

The same as when sent Son, Jesus here to earth for us the people. The religionists , pharisees wanted to get rid of Jesus
Then got rid of him, so they thought. Yet had to beat him up, whip him, they wanted to get Jesus to deny Father and be one of them in the lead over people. 'No freedom
That did not happen. He was risen and was seen by the people as risen as in Col 2 tells us about this amazing grace gift given from Father, Daddy, PaPa to me
Thank you Lord!

 

[TruthDefender]

Ever heard of the Streisand effect? The more you try to conceal, to censor, to suppress something, the more attention you draw to that thing.

Exactly! Like the gov. has been doing with the Roswell crash, and others. In one article they admitted it was from another world, and the next is a redaction because they realized they should be covert about it. Yep!!

 

[Lovette]

Exactly! Like the gov. has been doing with the Roswell crash, and others. In one article they admitted it was from another world, and the next is a redaction because they realized they should be covert about it. Yep!!

Another problem is that in God's ban on the forbidden fruit, "death" did not exist in the prelapsarian setting of Eden (i.e. before the fall), as we've learned that death is the wages of sin, it was his transgression that originated the sin of all mankind, so telling Adam, "the day you eat of it you'd die" would not be comprehensible, as there was no empirical evidence. After Eve ate it, she seemed fine, nothing was amiss. Most sermons render the fall as "spiritual death", which sounds dubious to me.