Why I Believe Judas Iscariot is Saved Pt 1

[jeremiah1five]

His calling and Election:

Luke 6:12-16
12 And it came to pass in those days, that he went out into a mountain to pray, and continued all night in prayer to God.
13 And when it was day, he called unto him his disciples: and of them he chose twelve, whom also he named apostles;
14 Simon, (whom he also named Peter,) and Andrew his brother, James and John, Philip and Bartholomew,
15 Matthew and Thomas, James the son of Alphaeus, and Simon called Zelotes,
16 And Judas the brother of James, and Judas Iscariot, which also was the traitor.

Jesus goes up to a mountain to pray to His Father. He spends all night in communion with God and returns when it is day. Jesus calls unto Him His disciples. And of them He chose twelve men whom He also named apostles.

Twelve apostles. Not eleven apostles and one false apostle. Twelve apostles. And Jesus named them apostles.

Here is the calling and the election of twelve men that will be with Jesus until His arrest and crucifixion.
Peter was called and elected in the same capacity as James. Judas was called and elect in the same capacity as Peter. There is no distinction in the calling and election of these twelve men. And Scripture says Jesus named them apostles.

They are His apostles, and the gifts and calling of God is without repentance (Rom. 11:29).

Here, Jesus calls and elects Judas to "be with Him" (implying relationship Mk. 3:14), and for three years Judas is with Jesus.
I know Judas was a thief. Peter was a blasphemer. He cussed and cursed. Peter had a big mouth. Judas had big eyes and a big desire for monetary gain. Twelve men, all sinners, and in need of a Savior.

I don't second-guess Jesus. He called twelve men and the Scripture says Jesus named them apostles. No man can come to Jesus unless the Father draws them. If there's no drawing, there's no coming. And if one is elect of God and called, then that alone is enough for me that through ones life the perseverance of the saint will be fulfilled by God. There is nothing man can do to escape the call of God on their life, even if it lasts on earth only three years.

I believe Judas is saved because Jesus called and elect him to "be with Him," and by the mere fact that Scripture says Jesus named Judas an apostle.
A true apostle.
An apostle of the Lamb (Jn. 1:29).

 

[BradC]

His calling and Election:

Luke 6:12-16
12 And it came to pass in those days, that he went out into a mountain to pray, and continued all night in prayer to God.
13 And when it was day, he called unto him his disciples: and of them he chose twelve, whom also he named apostles;
14 Simon, (whom he also named Peter,) and Andrew his brother, James and John, Philip and Bartholomew,
15 Matthew and Thomas, James the son of Alphaeus, and Simon called Zelotes,
16 And Judas the brother of James, and Judas Iscariot, which also was the traitor.

Jesus goes up to a mountain to pray to His Father. He spends all night in communion with God and returns when it is day. Jesus calls unto Him His disciples. And of them He chose twelve men whom He also named apostles.

Twelve apostles. Not eleven apostles and one false apostle. Twelve apostles. And Jesus named them apostles.

Here is the calling and the election of twelve men that will be with Jesus until His arrest and crucifixion.
Peter was called and elected in the same capacity as James. Judas was called and elect in the same capacity as Peter. There is no distinction in the calling and election of these twelve men. And Scripture says Jesus named them apostles.

They are His apostles, and the gifts and calling of God is without repentance (Rom. 11:29).

Here, Jesus calls and elects Judas to "be with Him" (implying relationship Mk. 3:14), and for three years Judas is with Jesus.
I know Judas was a thief. Peter was a blasphemer. He cussed and cursed. Peter had a big mouth. Judas had big eyes and a big desire for monetary gain. Twelve men, all sinners, and in need of a Savior.

I don't second-guess Jesus. He called twelve men and the Scripture says Jesus named them apostles. No man can come to Jesus unless the Father draws them. If there's no drawing, there's no coming. And if one is elect of God and called, then that alone is enough for me that through ones life the perseverance of the saint will be fulfilled by God. There is nothing man can do to escape the call of God on their life, even if it lasts on earth only three years.

I believe Judas is saved because Jesus called and elect him to "be with Him," and by the mere fact that Scripture says Jesus named Judas an apostle.
A true apostle.
An apostle of the Lamb (Jn. 1:29).

John 17:12

12 While I was with them, I kept and preserved them in Your Name [[b]in the knowledge and worship of You]. Those You have given Me I guarded and protected, and not one of them has perished or is lost except the son of perdition [Judas Iscariot—the one who is now doomed to destruction, destined to be lost], that the Scripture might be fulfilled.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Let's confine ourselves to this one Scripture I posted.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Let's confine ourselves to the Scripture in this post having to do with Judas' calling and election.

I should have added this in the OP but was too late.

We'll get to that Scripture you mentioned later for I have also studied and rightly divided that passage as well.

 

[CRC]

It was foretold that the Messiah would be betrayed by a treacherous associate. David prophesied: “The man at peace with me, in whom I trusted, who was eating my bread, has magnified his heel against me.” (Ps. 41:9) A person who ate bread with someone was thought to be his friend. (Gen. 31:54) So the betrayal of Jesus by Judas Iscariot was treachery of the worst sort. Jesus called attention to the fulfillment of David’s prophetic words when He referred to his betrayer and told his apostles: “I am not talking about all of you; I know the ones I have chosen. But it is in order that the Scripture might be fulfilled, ‘He that used to feed on my bread has lifted up his heel against me.’”—John 13:18. According to Mark 14:17-21 Jesus revealed the betrayal as well as the consequence for the betrayer.


(Mark 14:17-21) “After evening had fallen, he came with the Twelve. 18 And as they were reclining at the table and eating, Jesus said: “Truly I say to you, one of you who is eating with me will betray me.” 19 They began to be grieved and to say to him one by one: “It is not I, is it?” 20 He said to them: “It is one of the Twelve, the one dipping with me into the bowl. 21 For the Son of man is going away, just as it is written about him, but woe to that man through whom the Son of man is betrayed! It would have been better for that man if he had not been born.”

 

[John_S]

There is ONLY one question that needs to be answered.
Was Jesus Christ SUPPOSED to die? If He was, then SOMEONE had to do the deed of turning Him in - and that someone was Judas Iscariot.
If Jesus Christ had not died, He would NOT have been resurrected, and His name would have been forgotten 2000 years ago.

 

[tourist]

There is ONLY one question that needs to be answered.
Was Jesus Christ SUPPOSED to die? If He was, then SOMEONE had to do the deed of turning Him in - and that someone was Judas Iscariot.
If Jesus Christ had not died, He would NOT have been resurrected, and His name would have been forgotten 2000 years ago.

Jesus was not supposed to die. No one is supposed to die. He choose to die so that we may live. Love was the only motive.

 

[BradC]

Let's confine ourselves to the Scripture in this post having to do with Judas' calling and election.

I should have added this in the OP but was too late.

We'll get to that Scripture you mentioned later for I have also studied and rightly divided that passage as well.

Then give us your take on what you have deemed rightly divided concerning (John 17:12).

 

[biscuit]

21 For the Son of man is going away, just as it is written about him, but woe to that man through whom the Son of man is betrayed! It would have been better for that man if he had not been born.”

Excellent proof that Judas Iscariot wasn't saved, courtesy of CRC.

 

[KJV1611]

Old English apostol "messenger," especially the 12 witnesses sent forth by Jesus to preach his Gospel, from Late Latin apostolus, from Greek apostolos "messenger, person sent forth," from apostellein "send away, send forth," from apo- "from" (see apo-) + stellein in its secondary sense of "to send," from PIE *stel-yo-, suffixed form of root *stel- "to put, stand," with derivatives referring to a standing object or place (see stall (n.1)).

Being called to be an apostle does not infer salvation, it simply means being sent. Judas was called and sent to do a specific job... he was a vessel fitted for destruction.

 

[crossnote]

Let's confine ourselves to this one Scripture I posted.

YOU'VE GOT TO BE KIDDING???

 

[posthuman]

which is correct?

Jesus said to him, “Friend, do what you came to do.”
(Matthew 26:50, ESV)

"Friend," Jesus asked him, "why have you come?"
(Matthew 26:50, HCSB)

Then Yeshua said to him, “Have you come to this my friend?”
(Matthew 26:50, ABPE)

 

[2Thewaters]

demons dont go to heaven
Jesus called Judas the son of the devil

 

[Nautilus]

but if Jesus was prophesized to die..was Judas created solely to be condemned by fulfilling that prophecy? Someone had to betray Jesus, was this person just cursed from birth with that part of his life decided? I mean seems like he was more just a means to an end, like a tool.

 

[posthuman]

demons dont go to heaven
Jesus called Judas the son of the devil

yes, but He used an even stronger epithet rebuking Peter..

 

[Simona25]

but if Jesus was prophesized to die..was Judas created solely to be condemned by fulfilling that prophecy? Someone had to betray Jesus, was this person just cursed from birth with that part of his life decided? I mean seems like he was more just a means to an end, like a tool.

Why do you believe that "someone had to betray Jesus"?

 

[jeremiah1five]

It was foretold that the Messiah would be betrayed by a treacherous associate. David prophesied: “The man at peace with me, in whom I trusted, who was eating my bread, has magnified his heel against me.” (Ps. 41:9) A person who ate bread with someone was thought to be his friend. (Gen. 31:54) So the betrayal of Jesus by Judas Iscariot was treachery of the worst sort. Jesus called attention to the fulfillment of David’s prophetic words when He referred to his betrayer and told his apostles: “I am not talking about all of you; I know the ones I have chosen. But it is in order that the Scripture might be fulfilled, ‘He that used to feed on my bread has lifted up his heel against me.’”—John 13:18. According to Mark 14:17-21 Jesus revealed the betrayal as well as the consequence for the betrayer.


(Mark 14:17-21) “After evening had fallen, he came with the Twelve. 18 And as they were reclining at the table and eating, Jesus said: “Truly I say to you, one of you who is eating with me will betray me.” 19 They began to be grieved and to say to him one by one: “It is not I, is it?” 20 He said to them: “It is one of the Twelve, the one dipping with me into the bowl. 21 For the Son of man is going away, just as it is written about him, but woe to that man through whom the Son of man is betrayed! It would have been better for that man if he had not been born.”

Let's confine your comments to the Scripture I posted showing his calling and election.

Did Jesus name him an apostle?

Thus, is he a true apostle looking at this Scripture in Luke 6:12-13?

 

[jeremiah1five]

There is ONLY one question that needs to be answered.
Was Jesus Christ SUPPOSED to die? If He was, then SOMEONE had to do the deed of turning Him in - and that someone was Judas Iscariot.
If Jesus Christ had not died, He would NOT have been resurrected, and His name would have been forgotten 2000 years ago.

Did Jesus call and elect Judas to be an apostle of the Lamb?

Is Judas a true apostle called and elect in the same capacity as the other eleven called and elect to be apostles?

Look at the Scripture and tell me if Judas is a true apostle.

 

[posthuman]

i've never heard anyone say Judas didn't sin.
so did Judas repent?
the record testifies: he threw the silver back at the priests, and in grief and shame killed himself.
he was destroyed, physically and in his heart.
what does that mean?
but i'm not qualified to 'judge' Judas, and i dare not, because i find myself to be no better than him.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Then give us your take on what you have deemed rightly divided concerning (John 17:12).

You seem to me to want to hate one of the Lord's apostles. Is that how you do brethren? They fulfill prophecy and you cart them off to "hell?"

Be patient. That post is coming.

But for now...

was Judas a true apostle of the Lamb looking at Luke 6:12-13.

Yea or nay?