Why the king james?

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KJV1611 said:
Sorry I don't believe in works salvation.
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lol.. Yet your discussing this with two men who also do not believe in works salvation.

have we ever got the perfect tense word (saved) figured out yet?
 
eternally-gratefull said:
Your confused only because you trying to justify a cult mentality.

Justified in biblical terms means declared righteous.. Thats what it meant in the 1st century AD..

if you do not like it, That is beside the point.
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Abraham wasn't declared righteous in any century because of his works.
 
eternally-gratefull said:
Where in the bible does it say his FAITH was justified.

I am not going to answer a question of a hypothetical that is not in the bible.
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I think I'd recommend the AMP Bible for this guy...

...if he were actually open to reading it.

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Note: The brackets are not attempting to add to the Word of God--but exist to attempt to clarify the Word of God.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
No he did not have faith alone, He proved it by telling the other theif off, and, He went to his death praising God. instead of cursing him proving he had a change of arttitude (repented) and had true faith.

Thats a work.
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If you call words a work too, ok, I can accept that. But what if he would not be able to speak? Does faith really and in every situation needs to be followed by some work?
And I am not talking about somebody who claims to be christian, but whole his life proves he does not care.
But, well, you said that even claiming is work... it gets complicated, I will leave that.
 
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KJV1611 said:
You guys are tripping out! You say the NIV got it right by saying Abraham was considered righteous by his works and yet out of the other side of your mouth you say you don't believe in works salvation.

James 2:21New International Version (NIV)

21 Was not our father Abraham considered righteous for what he did when he offered his son Isaac on the altar?
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Saying a person is "considered righteous" and saying he is "made righteous" are not the same

It seems you have a trouble wiht the english language as well I see..
 
trofimus said:
If you call words a work too, ok, I can accept that. But what if he would not be able to speak? Does faith really and in every situation needs to be followed by some work?
And I am not talking about somebody who claims to be christian, but whole his life proves he does not care.
But, well, you said that even claiming is work... it gets complicated, I will leave that.
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we can do works in our minds.. God is the one who sees our work. It does not matter if man sees them or not..
 
eternally-gratefull said:
Where in the bible does it say his FAITH was justified.

I am not going to answer a question of a hypothetical that is not in the bible.
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It doesn't say his faith was justified, it's up to the reader to figure out what Abraham was justified in... right off the bat you can eliminate made righteous because it contradicts the rest of scripture.
 
KJV1611 said:
The KJV is the only bible that contains the truth and it does not contradict itself. Also there are messages in the structure of the text... number patterns that match with chapter and verse numbers.

A person would have to be spritually blind to not recognize the KJV is inspired, it's that obvious.
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So, how did you arrive at your belief that the KJV is the 'only bible that contains the truth'?

Can the same be said for all the other accepted versions of the Bible--that 'a person would have to be spiritually blind to not recognize that [they] are inspired'?

I think not. Not 'spirtually blind' -- but perhaps blinded by personal attachments or emotions.
 
eternally-gratefull said:

Saying a person is "considered righteous" and saying he is "made righteous" are not the same

It seems you have a trouble wiht the english language as well I see..
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The only righteousness that exists is the righteousness of Christ. I am made righteous through his works, I am considered righteous by his works.
 
KJV1611 said:
The only righteousness that exists is the righteousness of Christ. I am made righteous through his works, I am considered righteous by his works.
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So, If you have no works, are you considered rightious?

Is that not what james was arguing?
 
PeacefulWarrior said:
So, how did you arrive at your belief that the KJV is the 'only bible that contains the truth'?

Can the same be said for all the other accepted versions of the Bible--that 'a person would have to be spiritually blind to not recognize that [they] are inspired'?

I think not. Not 'spirtually blind' -- but perhaps blinded by personal attachments or emotions.
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It's the only bible I've ever read that doesn't contradict itself.
 
KJV1611 said:
It doesn't say his faith was justified, it's up to the reader to figure out what Abraham was justified in... right off the bat you can eliminate made righteous because it contradicts the rest of scripture.
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Then it fits.

His faith was justified

His faith was declared rightious (not dead)

Same concept.

 
KJV1611 said:
James is arguing that if you don't have works then you don't have real saving faith. Abraham offering Isaac justified his faith was real.
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so by his works, Abraham was considered righteous. Thanks Thats what I thought.
 
KJV1611 said:
It's the only bible I've ever read that doesn't contradict itself.
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Minor, I know. But still a contradiction, no?

2 Samuel 24:13 (KJV)

13 So Gad came to David, and told him, and said unto him, Shall seven years of famine come unto thee in thy land? or wilt thou flee three months before thine enemies, while they pursue thee? or that there be three days' pestilence in thy land? now advise, and see what answer I shall return to him that sent me.


1 Chronicles 21:11-12 (KJV)

11 So Gad came to David, and said unto him, Thus saith the Lord, Choose thee
12 Either three years' famine; or three months to be destroyed before thy foes, while that the sword of thine enemies overtaketh thee; or else three days the sword of the Lord, even the pestilence, in the land, and the angel of the Lord destroying throughout all the coasts of Israel. Now therefore advise thyself what word I shall bring again to him that sent me.
 
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