Will the Holy Spirit dwell within an unclean vessel?

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People quote scripture so that we can live by faith in Christ's finished work alone and not by our own humanistic ideas.

Colossians 2:6-8 (NASB)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] Therefore as you have received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk in Him,

[SUP]7 [/SUP] having been firmly rooted and now being built up in Him and established in your faith, just as you were instructed, and overflowing with gratitude.

[SUP]8 [/SUP] See to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception, according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary principles of the world, rather than according to Christ.
 
Love one another as I have loved you.

Love your enemies

Love God

Love your neighbour

People quote scripture so that we can live by faith in Christ's finished work alone and not by our own humanistic ideas.

Funnily loving everyone is both something God is very keen on
and also people. We tend to hate the justice and judgement
for the sin part, which is exactly what the humanists complain about
all the time.

How is it those who dilute the gospel hate righteousness and
Gods justice and judgement? I mean God is not even allowed to
bring conviction of sin...odd that restricting what God can do!!!

And when it comes to sinners, doom them to hell, but christians
behaving in the same way, saying the same things, send them to
paradise, sorry heaven. Notice how religious this sounds and all
the simple cope outs all lined up for judgement day...I am just
waiting for the scales of the good and bad deeds to be brought out
...lol
 
Demi777 said:
Sounds nice but it aint true. Perfection is a process that takes quite a while. We are made righteous and all that but we dont get completely free of everything immediately. It would be nice but it aint that way. Theres so many christians that can speak in tounges and have the holy spirit and lay on hands etc BUT smoke. Smoking is a addiction and a demonic stronghold. It destorys the temple of the holy spirit over time. Yet a person can carry the holy spirit and miracles happen.
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who in the world, if they have been called and chosen and received The Holy Spirit, and know that
The Holy Spirit dwells in them would not want to 'over-come' all of the un=cleanness that they
have ingested and were addicted to in the world while serving satan before Christ???
can you picture the (2) living together, side-by-side in our brand-new-made-Temples
without our active willingness to become the 'new creation' our Holy Father expects?
 
PeterJens said:
It is obvious the apostles where truly holy people, cleansed and focused on things
above. Not so sure many church goers even understand this language let alone
live it or love it. When I was talking to one brother, we were talking about sharing
our experience in Christ, and he was rather lost.
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No the apostles where not sinless in the flesh people never sinning... That's a deception..

1 Timothy 1:KJV
15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.

Of course the sinlessness in the flesh doctrine pushers would not accept this saying they would be desperate to change the Bible verse to make it say I once was Chief but now i am a sinless perfect human. But if they do that then the curse written in the end of the Bible will be upon them.. Taking away from the word of God and adding to the word of God is not advisable..
 
Adstar said:
No the apostles where not sinless in the flesh people never sinning... That's a deception..

1 Timothy 1:KJV
15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.

Of course the sinlessness in the flesh doctrine pushers would not accept this saying they would be desperate to change the Bible verse to make it say I once was Chief but now i am a sinless perfect human. But if they do that then the curse written in the end of the Bible will be upon them.. Taking away from the word of God and adding to the word of God is not advisable..
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No the apostles where not sinless

I did not say they were sinless, never sinned in their lives, I said when
they walked with Christ they did not sin.

Jesus describes them as being clean.
Peter, though he fell in denying Christ, Christ called him to lead the church.

But obviously you are just saying no one can be holy, yet John in revelation describes
people as being holy.

But this demonstrates one simple point. We build models in our heads of what is
and is not ok, and then find scripture contradicts our model. So which changes, the
model or scripture. And in this hangs ones own personal faith. Who really is King,
our minds or the Lord of all.

Paul calls us Gods Holy people.

If you are clean, unless you defile yourself you are actually clean.

When you wash up, and clean the dishes they are clean not dirty.
Simple reality, which Jesus is saying is true of us.

But for the extremists, they hate this simplicity and always want to
excuse their failure on to some complexity which they do not need to
repent of and walk on. But faith in Christ is for those who love, young and
old, poor and rich, simple and bright.
 
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