"the smoke of their torment ariseth up for ever and ever..."
Does it state they are being tormented by an outside force?
"the smoke of their torment ariseth up for ever and ever..."
I'd say the word smoke implies that. And yes Rev. 14:10 states plainly, "...and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone..." It's a hard truth.Does it state they are being tormented by an outside force?
I'd say the word smoke implies that. And yes Rev. 14:10 states plainly, "...and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone..." It's a hard truth.
I agree here.Understanding Revelation is no easy feat
Why not?He did, that was here on earth to prove who He was and His reality, I do not think that can be extrapolated to heaven.
Why not?
I don't even know what a Calvinist is so I will take your advice and avoid that.Funny guy, cause that is how you become a Calvinist, you don't want that do you?![]()
How do you know it's figurative?These are you words.
We'll have bodies... we'll enjoy sensual things like music and food and amazing sites... why would sex, the highest form of physical pleasure, be denied in Paradise of all places?
Show me the statement in scripture about eating in heaven that is not figurative language?
Let's start there
Tell me maybe I missed it.
You will learn what a calvinist is if you are predestined to know what a calvinist is. If you never learn what a calvinist is, it was not part of God's plan for you to know.I don't even know what a Calvinist is so I will take your advice and avoid that.![]()
Only Calvin that I know was on the comic strip Calvin and Hobbes.You will learn what a calvinist is if you are predestined to know what a calvinist is. If you never learn what a calvinist is, it was not part of God's plan for you to know.
Of course if you learn what a calvinist is and then forget, you never really knew what a calvinist is. You just thought you did.
Frankly that's the only one worth knowing. I have all ten years on my hard drive.Only Calvin that I know was on the comic strip Calvin and Hobbes.
It was a favorite of mine.Frankly that's the only one worth knowing. I have all ten years on my hard drive.
Wednesday is my day off. Grandma is 91 years old and I can't leave her. Aside from waylaying a caravan in a video game called Blackguards, what else is there to do?Just a thought: but do you really think, as Christians, that we should be continuing to entertain this topic, after all this time?
How do you know it's figurative?
W... wow... Bro, Ma'am, whichever you are, read more scriptureDo you think this is what we will be eating?
17 Then I saw an angel standing in the sun, and with a loud voice he called to all the birds that fly directly overhead, “Come, gather for the great supper of God, 18 to eat the flesh of kings, the flesh of captains, the flesh of mighty men, the flesh of horses and their riders, and the flesh of all men, both free and slave,[d] both small and great.”
Rev 19:17-18
Threads keep going. People get new thoughts or new people want to chime in. It's not like we're all the same people all the time in the same room who find it impossible to engage a new topic.Just a thought: but do you really think, as Christians, that we should be continuing to entertain this topic, after all this time?
@Gojira : Yes, point taken, Bro. But what I mean, is that, should we, as Christians, be discussing topics such as sex?Threads keep going. People get new thoughts or new people want to chime in. It's not like we're all the same people all the time in the same room who find it impossible to engage a new topic.