"Women Only Want Money"; "Men Only Want Sex." How Do You Cope With These Assumptions?

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christian74

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Personally I can't relate to this because I haven't encountered anyone in my life that would trigger said assumptions.
Also, I wouldn't waste my time trying to prove anything to them - they aren't probably important and worthy of my time, and those who are important and worthy of my time wouldn't assume certain things about me. In short, I just don't care what others think of me and do find such things a time-waster.
 

Lynx

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So if you ask about all the potential problems in your date's past..... is it fair to complain that they spent the whole date complaining about their exes?
Only if my question was prompted by her assumption that I'm "just like all the other guys."

If I started asking about her past relationships for no apparent reason, her talking about her exes is my fault and I have no valid reason to complain. (And if I start asking about her exes for no good reason, if she has any sense she won't be around to hear me complain because she'll be out the door faster than a dog chasing a rabbit.)
 

zeroturbulence

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I'm certainly no monkey branch. I'm not even on the monkey tree. But I do like bananas.

 

Lanolin

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theres a book in the free fridge library with the title 'what women want' but I havent read it, should I go find out what it says?

I dont think its really relevant to me, as the Lord is my shepherd, I shall not want...
Psalm 23 is probably the one psalm I know off by heart.

so when people say women only want money they might just by talking about unbelievers who worship mammon. Maybe the unbeliving men worship rock Gods or something.

I just stay faithful to God and not care too much what the world thinks, thats always been my thing. If people assume stuff about me thats not true that is really their problem! Ive never really been one to conform to the world.
 

seoulsearch

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People have written such amazing replies to this thread that I'm not even sure where to start...

@JohnDB -- Thanks for the reminder that first dates especially are awkward and that everyone involved is nervous and slightly off-kilter. This was such a good point, and reminded me to try to be more understanding, and that someone might just be speaking out of the fear of not knowing what to say.

@Reborn -- Your illustration of "The Stages of Dating" was so insightful and all too relatable. I think we can all swap some personal trait into your example and immediately recognize a similar cycle. I know for myself, I can trade out "understanding" for humor.

@cinder -- I loved what you said about respecting someone else's hard-earned money as much as your own. If I ever get on the dating sites again, remind me to have you write my profile.

@Encouragement -- It makes me sad too that men are under so much pressure, and so often unfairly seen as predators. Thank you for sharing your heartfelt, detailed perspective.

Everyone who has answered has made a valuable contribution to this thread, and I want to thank and encourage you all to keep right on sharing your thoughts.

I'm still pondering many of the posts here, and will be for some time -- you are teaching me so much. Thank you for that!
 
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I think men are much more interested in a woman who is always nice to them not matter what. They want respect and kindness and politeness 24x7. Is this too much to ask? Isn't it the same quality as being a Christian?

Women are probably looking for the same thing.
 

zeroturbulence

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I like this young woman. I've watched a number of her videos in the past. Usually about being a conservative in a very liberal country (not the US). To me she seems very intelligent and level-headed.

The dark side of monkey branching
 

love_comes_softly

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Hey Everyone,

I don't know about you all, but as a long-time single in the Christian community, these two statements seem to be the most prevalent pre-conceived notions that I see in the dating world:

1. "Women Are Only Out for Money."

2. Men Are Only Out for Sex."

Here is an excerpt from a post I made in another thread:

Stereotypes are so plentiful that I would have to contemplate that maybe it takes active work to try to not buy into them.

A long time ago I seemed to be on this streak of meeting guys who said they were Christian, but one wanted me to meet him at a house where we'd be alone (on a first date,) and another, whom I actually liked and would have gone out with again -- except that he started texting me to ask how soon we could "start sharing bodies" -- after the first date.

Despite this, I didn't get to a point where I expected or thought all men would be like that. However, I did let myself believe that any guy I liked would just soon replace me anyway, so I didn't put in much effort. Fortunately, I had a couple of close friends who were willing to take on the challenge of flat-out telling me, "You need to change your attitude." What really hit home to me was when a close female friend wrote me and said, "Whenever you start talking about guys, I absolutely cringe, because I can assure you, none of the men in my family are like that."

And that's when I knew I needed to seriously repent and ask God for help (though I still admit, part of me still expects to be replaced and braces myself for it, or keeps some distance.)

I also know that the biggest belief I seem to have to fight against as a single woman is that women are only out for money. I have sat through many a (first and only) date in which the guy would tell me his entire dating history of all the women who had done him wrong, which usually involved his bank account. Now I understand that completely -- we've all been hurt, and many of us were hurt in the same way repeatedly.

But the turning point for me is when they turn it into a personal challenge and make the implication: "Prove to me that YOU'RE any different." I always, always offer to pay my own way on a date. But the minute that stereotype shows up in full force and gets projected onto me, I try my best to politely listen the rest of the time, ask the waiter for the full check for both of us so that I can pay, thank him for his time, and go on my merry way.

If someone is convinced that I'm going to be like everyone else and thinks that I have to somehow prove myself, that is the one and only time I'll make the effort to do so.

And it has also made me hyper-aware that I have to actively work against doing this to anyone else -- I can't assume that they are going to be like X (or exes,) and try to make it their job to prove that they are somehow the exception, because I don't want anyone else to do that to me.

How about all of you?

* What previously-held beliefs do you or have you thought about others when dating? What assumptions have they made about you?

* When someone assumes something about you, do you feel a need to work to prove that you are different? Do you mind feeling a need to do so, or does it leave you feeling resentful?

* How do you handle it if you assume something about someone -- and are proven wrong?

I'm guessing that most everyone in the dating community runs into these kinds of situations, and I am very interested in hearing about how the rest of you react to it.
Great thread! I think the assumptions you shared are ones I have heard before. I don’t believe they are necessarily always true, but for some definitely.

The main thing I wanted to respond to is about assumptions/proving oneself. I never want to have to prove myself to someone. If they assume something about me, that is in on them. Just as it’s probably my loss if I wrongly assume something of someone else. I can’t imagine how exhausting it would be to prove someone’s assumption wrong.

I have definitely been in the position of assuming wrongly. It’s a humbling experience for sure. I find it best to address it and move on.
 

Kireina

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Hey Everyone,

I don't know about you all, but as a long-time single in the Christian community, these two statements seem to be the most prevalent pre-conceived notions that I see in the dating world:

1. "Women Are Only Out for Money."

2. Men Are Only Out for Sex."

Here is an excerpt from a post I made in another thread:

Stereotypes are so plentiful that I would have to contemplate that maybe it takes active work to try to not buy into them.

A long time ago I seemed to be on this streak of meeting guys who said they were Christian, but one wanted me to meet him at a house where we'd be alone (on a first date,) and another, whom I actually liked and would have gone out with again -- except that he started texting me to ask how soon we could "start sharing bodies" -- after the first date.

Despite this, I didn't get to a point where I expected or thought all men would be like that. However, I did let myself believe that any guy I liked would just soon replace me anyway, so I didn't put in much effort. Fortunately, I had a couple of close friends who were willing to take on the challenge of flat-out telling me, "You need to change your attitude." What really hit home to me was when a close female friend wrote me and said, "Whenever you start talking about guys, I absolutely cringe, because I can assure you, none of the men in my family are like that."

And that's when I knew I needed to seriously repent and ask God for help (though I still admit, part of me still expects to be replaced and braces myself for it, or keeps some distance.)

I also know that the biggest belief I seem to have to fight against as a single woman is that women are only out for money. I have sat through many a (first and only) date in which the guy would tell me his entire dating history of all the women who had done him wrong, which usually involved his bank account. Now I understand that completely -- we've all been hurt, and many of us were hurt in the same way repeatedly.

But the turning point for me is when they turn it into a personal challenge and make the implication: "Prove to me that YOU'RE any different." I always, always offer to pay my own way on a date. But the minute that stereotype shows up in full force and gets projected onto me, I try my best to politely listen the rest of the time, ask the waiter for the full check for both of us so that I can pay, thank him for his time, and go on my merry way.

If someone is convinced that I'm going to be like everyone else and thinks that I have to somehow prove myself, that is the one and only time I'll make the effort to do so.

And it has also made me hyper-aware that I have to actively work against doing this to anyone else -- I can't assume that they are going to be like X (or exes,) and try to make it their job to prove that they are somehow the exception, because I don't want anyone else to do that to me.

How about all of you?

* What previously-held beliefs do you or have you thought about others when dating? What assumptions have they made about you?

* When someone assumes something about you, do you feel a need to work to prove that you are different? Do you mind feeling a need to do so, or does it leave you feeling resentful?

* How do you handle it if you assume something about someone -- and are proven wrong?

I'm guessing that most everyone in the dating community runs into these kinds of situations, and I am very interested in hearing about how the rest of you react to it.
This is quite scandalous but I am a woman 😁😅


The thing is there are always some people out there who have poor assumptions and poor standards, but that doesn't mean that we can label everyone the same...


There are those who looked at me like I'ma gonna scam them lol

There are those who looked at me like I am hungry with men because I am unmarried

There are those who looked at me like I am a suitable sugar mama lol because I am old and they are young 😂 goodness 🤦


Their opinions/assumptions Like "Ak0n" said in his song "it don’t matter no"
What matters is what God thinks
of me 😇

Because I know that I Don't deserve love or forgiveness but God still counted me worthy of His sacrifice and love 😭😇
 

cinder

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@cinder -- I loved what you said about respecting someone else's hard-earned money as much as your own. If I ever get on the dating sites again, remind me to have you write my profile.
Problem is if I write your profile, you'll probably end up going on dates with my perfect guy. But you have permission now to freely plagiarize that line about protecting someone else's hard earned money.

In fact I'll give you a bonus line you can plagiarize as well :
I have to admit I usually like exercising my brains more than my body

And before I'm done with it really should add a line about must be as good of a person as my dog.

Really the goal of any profile I write would be to put enough information out there that it's easy to weed out those who didn't bother reading it and hopefully off beat enough to keep your garden variety crazies away.
 

Lanolin

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I just see things as situational. Sometimes people forget the context.

If a woman works in a bank maybe its actually true she only wants your money.
I take the change in every week and do the banking, and in all the time I've been to the bank Ive never given any food, or books, or anything else to the bank teller, just the money. Most of the bank tellers are women.

Now, Ive never worked as a prostitute, but I had heard that some men actually call them up and dont want sex. They just want a massage. One of them wrote that he just wanted to play a game of monopoly.

Ive always thought that people marry, then have sex so they can have children, I dont really see sex as an end of itself, its kinda designed so people can make copies of themselves, and the money, well thats to spend it on food and clothes so their children dont walk round naked, go hungry and starve.

I could be wrong though.....
 

Lynx

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Problem is if I write your profile, you'll probably end up going on dates with my perfect guy.
It's a good thing I wasn't eating anything when I read that.

And before I'm done with it really should add a line about must be as good of a person as my dog.
My dog steals the neighbor's cat food and gets into his trash, so I have to keep the dog on a run. That's not a high bar to clear.

Now if you want a real challenge, try being as good as your dog thinks you are.
 
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I am encouraged by the responses I have read so far and want to offer my two cents:

I think men are much more interested in a woman who is always nice to them not matter what. They want respect and kindness and politeness 24x7. Is this too much to ask? Isn't it the same quality as being a Christian?

Women are probably looking for the same thing.
This is spot on and hits the nail on the head! It brings to mind what IMHO is the biblical benchmark for female character:

Proverbs 11:16: 'a kindhearted woman gains respect'

I Timothy 3:11 (in reference to deacons wives): 'In the same way, their wives are to be women worthy of respect, not malicious talkers but temperate and trustworthy in everything'

I do not want to be unfair either in that these are exemplary qualities in which to aspire regardless of gender.


What about dating to get married and not just dating to date? I see that alot now and days.. that people just want to date around, but the foundation of wanting to date to get married is hardly around anymore. Call me 'ol fashioned, I guess lol, but I admire that notion
This literally hits the ball out of park! I could not agree more. That is why IMHO it is best not to date unless you are looking to form a long term relationship (at least that is the standard I uphold). Let's face facts: every marriage starts with a first date; or more specifically, when you agree to go on a date with someone, you are basically saying to yourself you are open to the possibility of forming a long term relationship with the other person.

If I were relationship minded and started dating a nice lady, and things were working nicely far as chemistry is concerned, then out of the blue she announces she is not serious about forming a relationship, I would be put off (probably a little upset). That is why I am not going to date unless I can commit 110% to any potential relationship that might follow.
 

Lanolin

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some people arent comfortable or capable of friendship and just want to marry everyone they meet...
Im like, ok being friends doesnt necessarily mean you actually wanna live together. if you want to be FAMILY or start one that is something quite different.
 
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Single, available Christian men without huge red flags of vice or massive issues to overcome are almost Unicorns in status. These mythical creatures actually do exist but in numbers so small that they are thought to not exist whatsoever.
I see your point but also find it to be too much of a generalization. It brings to mind James 5:16: 'Therefore confess your sins to each other and pray for each other so that you may be healed'

What is my point? Beyond the fact the passage is making a literal statement, what I feel is also being implied is form relationships based upon trust. And until you do that, building trust with another person, you are not going to understand what the individual may have gone through or is currently facing in life.

Why might a single Christian man be available? Each person is different in terms of their life journey. As a single male never married at 57, I am probably a literal walking 'red flag' to most women. But go beneath the surface and there is more to meets the eye:

As a young person in his late teens to early twenties, I went through a series of trials and tribulations in terms family tragedy/trauma/dysfunction that set back the develop of my social skills by literally decades (when most young people were growing into their social skills, I was bombed back to the stone age). As a result, I was 'on the sidelines' the better part of my prime 20's and 30's dating years. When you go through significant amounts of trauma in life, at times you need a lot of space, privacy and time alone. Basically, I never met anyone who went through what I faced or could even remotely relate

I did not begin to grow until my social skin until well into middle age; by that time I had become settled in my ways as a single person and have decided to stay the course. So you could say that I have some of those 'massive issues' the individual I quoted suggests!

How does this relate to dating and potential 'red flags'? Last thing I want to do is to talk to a woman about what I have faced in life particularly as a young person (do not want to talk to anyone about it to be quite frank); and if I did, most are going to run in the opposite direction (ie: 'red flags' everywhere, he has massive issues).

Which brings me to the point at hand: How do you put the CHRISTIAN in CHRISTIAN dating? What are the values we are to uphold as Christian people? How are we to relate to one another as believing people part of the same Church body? How do we deal with those among the Body whom have suffered significant amounts of trauma and dysfunction? All dating aside, do we have the compassion to build trust with these people, welcome them in our midst and create a positive church environment based upon the compassion for and acceptance of other people?
 

Lanolin

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everyone has gone through stuff, so I dont see why or how you require someone to be abosutley perfect the moment you meet them, even as children we will go through heavy emotional stuff.

Their parents might have died, split up, or lost a sibling, or theirs illness in the family, or theyve moved around a lot or even had to leave a country or family behind. They may be unemployed or their job is shaky or working for someone they dont like. This stuff happens all the time. There is no fairy land perfect guy, even the rich princes can be under huge pressure to do things they dont wanna do with family obligations.
 

cinder

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Which brings me to the point at hand: How do you put the CHRISTIAN in CHRISTIAN dating? What are the values we are to uphold as Christian people? How are we to relate to one another as believing people part of the same Church body? How do we deal with those among the Body whom have suffered significant amounts of trauma and dysfunction? All dating aside, do we have the compassion to build trust with these people, welcome them in our midst and create a positive church environment based upon the compassion for and acceptance of other people?
This is absolutely worthy of it's own thread. Just saying (at least until I get some more chores done, then I may take it upon myself to write that thread if no one else does).
 

shineyourlight

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#38
If a man has assumptions about me without getting to know me, then I move on and walk away.

If someone is going to put an assumption on you, and there's no changing of their mind, it's not a "you" issue, but a "them" issue.
 

seoulsearch

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This is absolutely worthy of it's own thread. Just saying (at least until I get some more chores done, then I may take it upon myself to write that thread if no one else does).
If you get a chance, please write this thread.

We've had so many talks about what the church and it's members seem to define as a good Christian, I would love to see your spin on this as applied to dating.
 

BrotherMike

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I don’t because it’s not true and if it is I would choose not to cope with it. (Walk away)

I have a good job and would not put up with a gold digger.