Women Pastors? Help me.
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Once again, have you read the exegesis provided in this thread? I have asked this question previously, and you have not responded.
There is neither male nor female in Christ Jesus, for we are all one
That is a straightforward truth straight from Paul
New life and a renewed mind are what's needed before becoming a believer, not after. Satan wants the renewed mind and new life after salvation to drag us back to his domain.
If you think you can continue to ignore sound exegesis in favour of poor or biased translation, you must (fill in your own critical speculation). Please read the whole thread and stop this ignorant ranting. You are welcome to offer sound counter-arguments, but judgmental opinions aren't needed, thanks.
It is one thing for you to claim what Paul said, it is another thing to actually hear from Paul Himself,"let your women keep silence in the churches for it is not permitted unto them to speak but to be under obedience, for it a shame for women to speak, the things I write unto you are the commandments of God."
There is now no condemnation for those in Christ Jesus.
Guess who said that? You seem ignorant of it... it was Paul!
1Timothy 2: Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection, but I suffer not a woman to teach nor to usurp authority over the man but to be in silence, for Adam was first formed and then Eve, and Adam was not deceived but the woman being deceived was in the transgression. 1Cor 14 Let you women keep silence in the churches for it is not permitted unto them to speak, but to be under obedience, for it is a shame for women to speak in the church, the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.... this verse is for you folks 38 if you want to be ignorant then be ignorant.
There is neither male nor female in Christ Jesus, for we are all one
That is a straightforward truth straight from Paul
Are you a female?
I am well aware of what some English translations of these passages say. I am also aware of the fact that the Greek does not support said translations in many key passages. You would be too if you read the relevant posts in this thread, which you seem not to have done, despite my repeated mentioning of them. Continuing to quote passages and not considering the exegesis thereof does your credibility no good.
I recall a discussion from many years ago, regarding the 'fool' of Proverbs. One person stated, "The fool is not someone who does not know, but rather someone who will not learn." I sincerely hope you are neither.
Would someone mind telling me why this doesn't mean what it says?
1Timothy 2: Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection, but I suffer not a woman to teach nor to usurp authority over the man but to be in silence, for Adam was first formed and then Eve, and Adam was not deceived but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
1Timothy 2: Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection, but I suffer not a woman to teach nor to usurp authority over the man but to be in silence, for Adam was first formed and then Eve, and Adam was not deceived but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
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Yiska
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The Apostle Paul worked with the husband and wife team Aquila and Priscilla in sharing the Gospel. The Good News is that Jesus arose from the dead conquering death; and it was the women who sought Jesus in the tomb who were initially asked by the Angel to share the Good News with the Disciples that Christ had indeed risen. The Angel said to them: "[G]o quickly and tell His disciples that He is risen from the dead."
Jesus said: "Man shall not live by bread alone but by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God." Therefore, the Scriptures must be measured by Scriptures and one line from Paul does not negate Scriptures which share more in depth the role of women and the Gospel. Over the the years I have been ardently offended by women pastors and teachers and found that my attitude blinded me to both Scriptures where God worked mightily through women, and to how God is working through women in this day and age.
Acts 18:24-27 New King James Version (NKJV)
Now a certain Jew named Apollos, born at Alexandria, an eloquent man and mighty in the Scriptures, came to Ephesus. This man had been instructed in the way of the Lord; and being fervent in spirit, he spoke and taught accurately the things of the Lord, though he knew only the baptism of John. So he began to speak boldly in the synagogue. When Aquila and Priscilla heard him, they took him aside and explained to him the way of God more accurately. And when he desired to cross to Achaia, the brethren wrote, exhorting the disciples to receive him; and when he arrived, he greatly helped those who had believed through grace;
Jesus said: "Man shall not live by bread alone but by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God." Therefore, the Scriptures must be measured by Scriptures and one line from Paul does not negate Scriptures which share more in depth the role of women and the Gospel. Over the the years I have been ardently offended by women pastors and teachers and found that my attitude blinded me to both Scriptures where God worked mightily through women, and to how God is working through women in this day and age.
Acts 18:24-27 New King James Version (NKJV)
Now a certain Jew named Apollos, born at Alexandria, an eloquent man and mighty in the Scriptures, came to Ephesus. This man had been instructed in the way of the Lord; and being fervent in spirit, he spoke and taught accurately the things of the Lord, though he knew only the baptism of John. So he began to speak boldly in the synagogue. When Aquila and Priscilla heard him, they took him aside and explained to him the way of God more accurately. And when he desired to cross to Achaia, the brethren wrote, exhorting the disciples to receive him; and when he arrived, he greatly helped those who had believed through grace;
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StanJ
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Now you're backtracking because what you said and wrote down in post 370 is not what you're saying here, is that Jesus Christ is that child. You can't elude in a post to Jesus Christ being that child and then backtrack from it when somebody calls you on it. That is just plain disingenuous.
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StanJ
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As I noted not too far back in this thread, the context of 1st Timothy 2 is in a family/community setting, not in the setting of the corporate life of the church. As such, it is not problematic.