Context is what determines a scripture. Before Paul said that women were to keep silent in the church he described the various speaking gifts that were to be used in the church. So Paul spoke of all the vocal ministries in the church and then said the women were to keep silence in the assembly. Does it take a high degree of intelligence to recognize that this means that the men are to led in a mixed assembly?
Women Pastors? Help me.
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Dagallen
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You are talking about a time in history, where men believed, that a woman was less than a man, that's through the eyes of man. However God sees male and female's as one, therefore both are equal in the eye's of God. Who do you follow Paul or God ? Choose wisely
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Acts 21:9 And the same man had four daughters, virgins, which did prophesy.
Philip had four daughters, and now pay special attention what these daughters did. They prophecied. Today many say that there is no way a woman is to preach in a church, they are supposed to keep quiet in the church. Well, Philip was one of the chosen by the Apostles, that walked and talked with God, and was to be one of the administrators of the Church from the beginning, and has taught all four of his virgin daughters the Word and they prophecy through the Holy Spirit.
God used those four women, and God will use whomever He pleases, and directs them to speak to people where ever He leads them. If a man chooses to ignore a prophecy from God, that will be his loss. Women should pay attention to these scriptures where God favors His servants, especially when they are directly to the ladies. Then when some old duffer tries to put you on a trip, prod him a little with the Word of God. God gives gifts to different members of the body of Christ, and He is not a respecter of persons. He knows who can get His job done for Him, and who will waste those gifts. And if we take a close look into the church world today, we will see that much of the work that needs to get done is done by the ladies.
Philip had four daughters, and now pay special attention what these daughters did. They prophecied. Today many say that there is no way a woman is to preach in a church, they are supposed to keep quiet in the church. Well, Philip was one of the chosen by the Apostles, that walked and talked with God, and was to be one of the administrators of the Church from the beginning, and has taught all four of his virgin daughters the Word and they prophecy through the Holy Spirit.
God used those four women, and God will use whomever He pleases, and directs them to speak to people where ever He leads them. If a man chooses to ignore a prophecy from God, that will be his loss. Women should pay attention to these scriptures where God favors His servants, especially when they are directly to the ladies. Then when some old duffer tries to put you on a trip, prod him a little with the Word of God. God gives gifts to different members of the body of Christ, and He is not a respecter of persons. He knows who can get His job done for Him, and who will waste those gifts. And if we take a close look into the church world today, we will see that much of the work that needs to get done is done by the ladies.
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Dagallen
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Yes women can preach and teach but a woman must be careful not to put herself above a man, as men and women are equal in the eye's of God, as one is not greater than the other.
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StanJ
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What you're doing is taking separate parts of scripture with different contexts and melding them together to form your own Doctrine and we all know that that is wrong.
Paul didn't say women should keep silent in the church, Paul was quoting what somebody had written to him previously which is explained by verse 36. That saying was coming from Judaizers that were influencing the church at that time and Paul always spoke against Judaizers and their attempt to insert the law into the church. Paul never spoke of obeying the written law of the day, except to negate it and correct those who wanted to bring it into the early Church. It makes no sense at all to treat this as if it was Paul's instruction when in verse 39 he tells the brothers and sisters to not forbid speaking in tongues.
You really need to start paying attention to what you read not just in the context of where it is written but in the context of the day.
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Dagallen
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Yes women can preach and teach but a woman must be careful not to put herself above a man, as men and women are equal in the eye's of God, as one is not greater than the other.
Lots of folks must feel like they are god, they certainly create pseudo scripture as if they are in a position to do so. I hate to break the news, but the Lord did not put any of this up for a vote, He does not even want to know our opinion, He just wants us to be honest and truthful when we read His word and accept it by faith simply because He said it. These are the words of the Almighty One whose Name is Truth and they are spoken through His servant Paul to us so that we should respect and obey them...hear the words of God. Let your women keep silence in the churches, for it is not permitted unto them to speak. For it is a shame for women to speak in church. Let the woman learn in silence, but I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man but to be in silence.
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StanJ
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Your understanding of what God wants or doesn't want and knows or doesn't know is just as flawed as your understanding of his word. You keep repeating the same thing with no support and no understanding of the context of the Bible. God's written word is not a mantra that you keep repeating to yourself to convince yourself. it's quite obvious you have no idea of the reality contain the god written word.
1 Corinthians 14:34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.
Where does the law say this? The way that this is brought forth in the Greek makes this a figure of speech. This is very often mistaught.
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Dagallen
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So some say, every word in the bible is the inspired words of God, so seeing you are talking about the words written under Paul, does Paul say that everything he wrote, was the inspired words of God ? No ! Read chapter 7 of 1 Corinthians and do so with an open mind ?
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StanJ
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2 Timothy 3:16-17
All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.
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StanJ
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No, my fight is against people like you that think they're God. I know who God is and I recognize the truth in his word. All you can do is parrot verses you don't really understand. Please look up the meaning of the word 'inculcated'.
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RomansToPhilemon
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She isn't a false teacher just because she was pastoring. But you are correct, a women is not supposed to be a leader/pastor. This is very clear in Paul's epistles. There are lots of scriptural reasons for this too. It's got nothing to do with God treating women as lesser creatures. God says women are the weaker vessels and also women are under a specific curse God put on Eve which has been carried out throughout every women that has ever lived. And this is why she bares the burden of labor and the man is over the women. Both in Church and at home. Also, women are more easily usurped by Satan and are more easily subverted. There's quite a few more reasons. But it's no marvel that in these last days women are heading churches. It's just a sign of the times. And should not be going on.
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Dagallen
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Well just by your response, it appears you did not read 1Corinthins chapter 7 but instead you use Timothy. 1 Corinthians chapter 7 is very clear, you should discuss 1 Corinthians chapter 7 with an open mind not a controlled mind.
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Dagallen
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Well just by your response, it appears you did not read 1Corinthins chapter 7 but instead you use Timothy. 1 Corinthians chapter 7 is very clear, you should discuss 1 Corinthians chapter 7 with an open mind not a controlled mind.
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Dagallen
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Every scripture God inspired man to write, does not mean that every word in scriptures are the inspired words of, God, what it does mean is that God inspired man to write the inspired words of God and the inspired words of mankind, its a recording of the beginning of a relationship between God and mankind, therefore within the scriptures, is the inspired words of God and the inspired words of mankind, as they intertwine in a relationship.
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Please read through the thread before repeating arguments which have been refuted or addressed at length... several times. For the umpteenth time, God did not curse Eve. He told her what the consequences of sin would be for her. There's a massive and very important difference.
"Women are more easily usurped by Satan and are more easily subverted." Dude, where do you get this garbage?
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