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Was this Paul's opinion or the Most High command? Yes, woman should not assume authority but you have to relaize that there were also prophetess as well as many women who had significant position. If it wasn't for queen Esther the nation would not be standing. The holy spirit is a feminine spirit . She is wisdom. Wisdom teaches us all things , look at the book of Proverbs. Also just like Adam and Eve, The Most High is a man and the holy spirit is a female. Who is mainly teaching your children?
 
"I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet."
[1 Timothy 2:12]

So I wandered into the Bible Study Room this afternoon, hoping to learn something. At that time there were two women dominating the chat, almost non stop. What they said, and the way the said it, came across as teaching, sometimes even preaching. I guess there's nothing wrong for a woman to express her personal faith in Jesus Christ, but this went way too far in my opinion. Should women be allowed to dominate the chat in such a way at CC (especially in Bible Study Room) if we take scripture seriously? Your thoughts please, preferably backed up with scripture
. Thank you.
In my opinion, if a man thinks he is smarter than a woman, because she is a woman, he is guilty of the sin of pride.
 
Didn't Jesus come from the seed of a women, Just saying

Genesis 3

14 And the Lord God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:
15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.
 
"If you speak something against the SON of man, you can be forgiven, but if you speak something against the HOLY SPIRIT, you can never be forgiven."


The HOLY SPIRIT who directed 'men' in writing the Holy Scripture in the HOLY BIBLE.

Again and again the HOLY SPIRIT is directing HIS Scripture quote through 'men' very plain, simple and direct to the point, as it is written in the New Covenant about GOD through CHRIST and the HOLY SPIRIT's given and established order, for obedience and submission, in 'A Gathering', also as a reminder and a stir up of memory of knowledge faith, for women who persist blindly, to back off for the common Good and peace of the Kingdom of GOD.
 
To distinguish the characteristic of satan in men and women, even among us by the will of GOD, for us to be alert and to stay awake, can be recognized as follows based on Scripture;

1. JESUS just after baptism was led into the wildness and satan also quoted scripture in order to tempt JESUS as GOD has uttered them through Isaiah the Prophet, regarding the MESSIAH, the SON of GOD. The same using the word of GOD tempting Eve but in both account using them with a twist, as a thrown bait to fall for. Eve knew from Adam and Adam from direct GOD, the consequences and even mentioned them to satan.
For example, you as a parent know the consequences the bad things that world can offer and can effect your children's future, even in ruins or death or both. Some way or another you know the devourer is everywhere and even can come in disguise, So before hand, when your children are young and innocent, you speak to them about these available bad things and the consequences they may bring, as in the after math to all of them. And in entrusting them with these valuable commands and advices, you expected faithfulness from them, in accordance to mutual understanding and as being in 'oneness', as a family. But when your enemy who is what he is and can never change, who witnessed all of these sneaked in disguised as like every common unharmful things to you children and spoke to them using your very words and then with a twist to direct them to understand them in another different angle or 's' (a thrown bait). Your fed knowledge in faith children while remained focused on this interesting bait, they fell for it and were devoured by them, themselves, forgetting their parent's forbidden and prior consequences, given ahead of time in commands and advices.
So the devourer/initiator remains innocent for that is his reign and his very unchangeable nature and never at all caused any physical harm to anyone and only an all wise parent knows that all ahead of time for once the devourer was that parent's very own child but the first to rebel against them and separated for Good, as preferred. You as an loving parent not blaming and using the oldest's, as an example but directing the remaining ones to be faithful to what has been already given and established in the family. "Why should we judge outsiders, when GOD (parent) is their judge. Should we not judge our own members (siblings)?"
A Good and all wise parent will take charge of HIS children first and set then in order. They are to proof to others rooted to that parent and shame the enemy and his counterpart. In the book of Genesis, GOD as a faithful loving remaining parent to all good and evil (until an opportune destined time), did not punish, who were once from HIS womb (as a figure of speech) and nutured since young who became the first to rebel and founder of 'evil' and in enmity an everlasting enemy, even to GOD's faithful young family who are also scarcely in the verge of growing.
Not at all, if only we witnesses listen to the HOLY SPIRIT about the past in order for it not repeat itself, that the animal serpent who allowed satan to use it, as an unsuspecting common to nature vessel to devour was punished. and after that by nature every serpent moved on it's belly and randomly time after time, one of it commonly tend to when threatened, strike a man on their heel and randomly time after time, man also by nature in contrary commonly strike any serpent on it's head; "One of yours will strike hers on the heel and one of hers will strike yours on the head.". We can view these Scripture in both ways, spiritually the coming of MESSIAH and by nature as to everyday living examples. JESUS used this same terms with Nicodemus that; "Being a teacher and an instructer for Israel, if you do not understand the things I speak about here on earth, then how can you understand I speak the things about in Heaven."
Eve was punished and the ground for Adam.
satan walks free and innocent in relation to his nature for now until and opportune time destined. One may now immediately respond; "What a load of rubbish!"
Peace be with you, one only 'initiates' by twisting an Good established 'one' order, already given ahead of time and repeated time after time because many are in tendency to slumber off and in forgetfulness ignorance, due to the vast availability of initiated distractions and deceptions, in the form of many deviation in knowledge and materials, So we humans are the ones end up producing all of this availability in the world and market and causing for ourselves and others the aftermaths.
Now being in the family of the New Covenant, born of not only of water but of the HOLY SPIRIT, in sound doctrine faith, i judge and blame our and my 'self/carnality', rather than the world in blindness ignorance, will of GOD or satan in duty initiator and devourer, will of GOD.
HE is just building faithfulness and no one can con HIM nor advice HIM, how better all should be in 'self' opinion and 'self' thinking and 'self' understanding and how we can fix and make this world a better place, even for our children. HE do not forever and ever, fall for any of this cheap and short tricks of carnality and false spiritual deceptions, even to HIS few faithful remaining ones, even to those who have scarcely scrape through.
Why journey and continue in the vain efforts of carnality/fleshly/self, like the world and it's initiator and devourer, where ones we were enslave to?

2. JESUS rebuked even Peter during his discipleship, saying; "Get behind me satan, you think like everyone else."

It wasn't a nice thing to say in front of all the other disciples. But to JESUS it is a reminder and astir up of memory to all believers worldwide, that HE has no partiality for anyone nor allow anyone to try to get the best of HIM, even today in 'A Gathering'. Peter 'thought' like everyone else in carnality and in ignorance that it can be best one could reinterpret and override the written Holy Scripture of 'GOD's every Word', in order to please the MESSIAH with our wisdom.
Well, sorry to say to those who believe so, remain in carnality because in written Scripture used as reminders and to stir up memory, the HOLY SPIRIT again says that the MESSIAH only, 'obey GOD and only do HIS will'.
 
Jesus set the order but we must adhere to full ordinance of the faith in this we must all show our faith to God in submission to His Word if not they are surely worshiping themselves sayo
Ing they ate above God by followingthfollowing their own interpretation of the gospel
 
Women can preach to women but not to men. Women can teach women but not the men. This must be so because Eve gave Adam the fruit.
 
Women can preach to women but not to men. Women can teach women but not the men. This must be so because Eve gave Adam the fruit.

Not according to Scripture..............just saying............. :)

Should read the accounts of:

The Prophetess Deborah

and

Priscilla

in Scripture

BOTH exercised authority over men, AND Judged/Preached/Taught/Instructed men............

God bless ............... :)
 
Was this Paul's opinion or the Most High command? Yes, woman should not assume authority but you have to relaize that there were also prophetess as well as many women who had significant position. If it wasn't for queen Esther the nation would not be standing. The holy spirit is a feminine spirit . She is wisdom. Wisdom teaches us all things , look at the book of Proverbs. Also just like Adam and Eve, The Most High is a man and the holy spirit is a female. Who is mainly teaching your children?

??? ............... goodness ............... it is NOT TRUE that the Holy Spirit is a woman................... the Holy Spirit is a SPIRIT ...............goodness................... you aren't helping with this kind of interpretation.............just saying :)
 
Was this Paul's opinion or the Most High command? Yes, woman should not assume authority but you have to relaize that there were also prophetess as well as many women who had significant position. If it wasn't for queen Esther the nation would not be standing. The holy spirit is a feminine spirit . She is wisdom. Wisdom teaches us all things , look at the book of Proverbs. Also just like Adam and Eve, The Most High is a man and the holy spirit is a female. Who is mainly teaching your children?

Was this Paul's opinion or the Most High command? The answer is in 1 Cor 14... it is a COMAND OF GOD ... Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.

As easy as that.
And even if it was PAUL saying these things, I have two options, to believe what these bible twisting men on CC write or my other oprion is to believe what the Apostle of God, Paul, wrote. Becasue the two defenately appose eachother I can only believe one or the other. I prefer to believe the WORD OF GOD AS GOD GAVE IT TO PAUL TO WRITE, not the TWISTED version of perverse, unlearned and unstable men as the bible says.
But hey if a man (or woman) wants to be ignorant let him be, no skin off my back. This is still the WORD OF GOD not the WORD OF PAUL!
 
Not according to Scripture..............just saying............. :)

Should read the accounts of:

The Prophetess Deborah

and

Priscilla

in Scripture

BOTH exercised authority over men, AND Judged/Preached/Taught/Instructed men............

God bless ............... :)

I am fully persuaded in my own mind that women are not to teach or preach to men, only women.
 
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I am fully persuaded in my own mind that women are not to teach or preach to men, only women.

Dear Sister........that is surely your right...........BUT........others are FULLY PERSUADED that women are allowed to teach or preach to men........... :)

just saying
 
Look at Deborah YES... was she murdered as all the prophets of God? NOPE! Was Israel by her OWN confession not wondering off to evil god's when she was "prophetess of the Lord"? Wow! I do not know why I see things so different than other people.

When Israel war and killed women, babies young people and any killing they did, I know they believed it to be God's commands, no matter he wrote THOU SHALT NOT KILL, yet they did.

Look who is the murderer from the beginning... And LOOK who wants to take lives.... Certainly NOT MY JESUS and HIS FATHER.... Please people take time and LOOK what is happening here and what Jesus says to the ISRAELITES....

John 8:42 to 48.... PLEASE BE OF GOD AND HEAR WHAT JESUS TEACH HERE!!!! PLEASE!!!!

If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
Joh 8:43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.
Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
Joh 8:45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.
Joh 8:46 Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me?
Joh 8:47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.


Why do people lay all these murders of nations before the door of Jesus? If you knew God you will know Jesus. How many people did Jesus kill when HE WAS HERE ON EARTH? NONE! How many did God kill in the Old Testament? ... NONE!

Jesus teach this to ALL GENERATIONS.... It is the children of SERPANTS that killed the TRUE PROPHETS, and the generation of vipers that will fulfill their killings.... Mat 23:29.

Where does war come from? From GOD? NEVER!!!! Jesus says it in plain english for you to know... James 4:From whence come wars and fightings among you? come they not hence, even of your lusts that war in your members?
The wars in the Old Testament, the New Testament and TODAY all come from ONE SOARCE.... the lusts in the members of the fighting parties. NEVER from God! NEVER!

Even in Elias time when they seeked to kill him God still kept 7000 men loyal to Him that did not bow down to baal, or to false gods as in Deborah's time, but why did they not seek to kill Deborah EVER? She did not prophecy as one of God, or they would have killed her. Oh why am I so different than even P_Rehbein whom I really like!


Is there Godly prophetesses... YES! would thy be appointed above their husbands as Deborah above Lapidoth, her husband... Not by my God! NEVER! Can your LORD think evil thoughts and then be REBUKED by a sinning man to REPENT? Not my God. He is was and will always be PERFECT.....If you want to blame your LORD then your God is a sinner. Becasue only sinners will CHANGE THEIR MINDS from the EVIL they thought, and REPENT.... Exodus 32:14... And the LORD repented of the evil which he thought to do unto his people.

If you have difficulty to KNOW God in the Old Testament get to KNOW Jesus and then you will see Who God is in the Old and New Testament. You will NEVER doubt again. NEVER!. I know Jesus and I know the Father is exactly like Jesus! 100% ONE!
 
I spend so much time in the Bible to see if I cannot maybe see things a bit more like other people do! Really I do! You know me. I am not one that likes strife and ugly things. I would LOVE to agree 100% with all holy people. But the more I try to accomodate some opinions looking for RELIEF in the Bible, the FURTHER away I drift form the people. But I have to give God the glory, the MORE THE WORD MAKE SENSE.

I am at this stage now that I truly do know what God is about and what His Truth is. The more I search to find answers to think as other people, the LESS I think like them. When I go th the Bible it is like day and night. And one part is absolute bliss and the other absolute hell.... Like Lazarus and the rich man.... One is totaly at peace and the other is all unease and axcious.

My friend we come a ways already. I met one man here on CC and we went to chat one on one in the Random room and God was so there with us. God showed me there how HE MAKES ONE! It was just a massive blessing to be in such unity. Let me give you one example... This man would talk on the mic, and I would type in the room, and as he says something I would SEND what I typed, and it will be EXACTLY the same words. It ws amazing. we were as ONE of soul heart and spirit as the 5000 men in Acts 4. Of one heart one soul and one spirit.

My friend this man and I NEVER met before and we agreed 100% on the Gospel. 100%! I was so encouraged by this. When I shared with him my revelations he knew all the meanings. when he shared his I knew all the meanings. We are TRUTLY taught by ONE SPIRIT. and because it ALL fitted in the Word of God, we both knew it was GOD's HOLY SPIRIT that taught us both. He is in New Zealand and I am in South Africa. I just want to give God all the glory, for God still do this to the Body of Chrsit....

Eph 4:11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
Eph 4:12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
Eph 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
Eph 4:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
Eph 4:15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:
Eph 4:16 From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love.
Of coarse I expect you and I shall also be FITLY JOINED TOGETHER IN CHRIST JESUS (The Body) Amen! WE have to agree 100% or it is NOT FITLY JOINED....May the Lord Reveal to us all things pertaining our Lord Jesus! Amen!
 
Those are truly "high expectations" Brother..........and, I might add, ones that EVEN the Apostles did not achieve.........for there was surely differences between them..........as is evident in the Book of Acts.

Our Unity is in our belief in and love of Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour..........not every wee little word.......nor in perfect understanding..........

That perfect understanding will come soon enough........but EVEN the Apostles differed and even SPLIT company over their differences in interpretation of the Word.

God bless
 
Was this Paul's opinion or the Most High command? The answer is in 1 Cor 14... it is a COMAND OF GOD ... Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.

As easy as that.
And even if it was PAUL saying these things, I have two options, to believe what these bible twisting men on CC write or my other oprion is to believe what the Apostle of God, Paul, wrote. Becasue the two defenately appose eachother I can only believe one or the other. I prefer to believe the WORD OF GOD AS GOD GAVE IT TO PAUL TO WRITE, not the TWISTED version of perverse, unlearned and unstable men as the bible says.
But hey if a man (or woman) wants to be ignorant let him be, no skin off my back. This is still the WORD OF GOD not the WORD OF PAUL!

Cobus I love you but you and others are being very legalistic. You are wrong on so may fronts I dont know how to reach you so I pray that your understanding is enlightened.How you interpet the scripture is base purely onyour understanding. We have vastly different understanding of the scriptures. I ascribe to Paul teaching what he knew but again I say Paul is not nor was he Jesus. And anything Paul said or infered will never undo the words of Jesus. And Jesus never said women should not preach or teach men. Jesus was clear and spoke what he meant. To say otherwise is misguided. How can so many be so wrong who claim to be so right?
 
"I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet."
[1 Timothy 2:12]

So I wandered into the Bible Study Room this afternoon, hoping to learn something. At that time there were two women dominating the chat, almost non stop. What they said, and the way the said it, came across as teaching, sometimes even preaching. I guess there's nothing wrong for a woman to express her personal faith in Jesus Christ, but this went way too far in my opinion. Should women be allowed to dominate the chat in such a way at CC (especially in Bible Study Room) if we take scripture seriously? Your thoughts please, preferably backed up with scripture
. Thank you.

There is nothing in the Bible against women preaching in public. There is a prohibition relative to the Church of women teaching men. But if a woman wants to hold forth on the radio to the lost (evangelism) or for Christian women, that is OK. In fact if a woman has the gift of evangelism or exhortation, she should use it or be sinning.

Incidentally, preaching is not a listed spiritual gift. The relevant gifts to today are evangelism, exhortation, and teaching. Scripture does not say that women cannot have any of these gifts. In NT times women prophets are referred to, as I recall Philip had 7 daughters who prophesied.

Now there are a great many "Evangelicals" who do not agree on this one. I think it is because of modern politically correct pressure to a large extent.

I like Ps 68:11 ASV

The Lord giveth the word:
The women that publish the tidings are a great host.
Kings of armies flee, they flee;
And she that tarrieth at home divideth the spoil.

Now as to chat on a forum that is not immediately clear to me,
Of course this is not a church.
In general, I know of no reason why women can't chat about whatever.
Should we think of this as a Christian group with all the diversity?
Are there here false sex ID from registration, heretics, unsaved, etc.?
To digress, with Google you can register as male, female, or other -- LOL.

Now how can we love our neighbor as ourselves here?
If I were a woman, how would I feel if I were told to shut up in a chat room?