Would Christ Vote?
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36 Jesus said, “My kingdom is not of this world. If it were, my servants would fight to prevent my arrest by the Jewish leaders. But now my kingdom is from another place.”
37 “You are a king, then!” said Pilate.
Jesus answered, “You say that I am a king. In fact, the reason I was born and came into the world is to testify to the truth. Everyone on the side of truth listens to me.”
John Chapter 18 Verses 36 and 37.
Beautiful passage. Jesus always concerned himself with God's Kingdom and would want us to be concerned about God's Kingdom (Heaven).
That said, we all have our political ideologies. Our sense of right or wrong in state policy making and we will always want to vote for the parties that promise us that those policies will be met out by the political party if elected to power. So we are all more political than we all think we are. Voting is everything in a democracy. Every vote counts. Those who do vote, vote because they favour the policies or the ideologies of a political party or leader. Those who choose not to vote are happy with the things as they are.
37 “You are a king, then!” said Pilate.
Jesus answered, “You say that I am a king. In fact, the reason I was born and came into the world is to testify to the truth. Everyone on the side of truth listens to me.”
John Chapter 18 Verses 36 and 37.
Beautiful passage. Jesus always concerned himself with God's Kingdom and would want us to be concerned about God's Kingdom (Heaven).
That said, we all have our political ideologies. Our sense of right or wrong in state policy making and we will always want to vote for the parties that promise us that those policies will be met out by the political party if elected to power. So we are all more political than we all think we are. Voting is everything in a democracy. Every vote counts. Those who do vote, vote because they favour the policies or the ideologies of a political party or leader. Those who choose not to vote are happy with the things as they are.
The problem is, in all those instances, human decisions still took place. Joseph and Daniel etc. still had to be appointed by their respective rulers. None of them simply dropped in to place from out of the blue and I'm sure you don't think God suddenly possessed those rulers and made the decision for them.
I think I understand what you are saying but I wonder if you do?
Right now, Donald Trump is the ordained ruler of the USA. That means almost half of you (who voted) defied God's will and those who didn't vote, refused to corporate with God's will.
I'm sure you won't want to see it that way, but based on a black and white rendering of "God's will be done", the situation can be interpreted that way.
I think I understand what you are saying but I wonder if you do?
Right now, Donald Trump is the ordained ruler of the USA. That means almost half of you (who voted) defied God's will and those who didn't vote, refused to corporate with God's will.
I'm sure you won't want to see it that way, but based on a black and white rendering of "God's will be done", the situation can be interpreted that way.
Per Genesis 37:5-10, we know that God gave Joseph two dreams concerning his political rulership many years before it came to pass. We also know that God later had Joseph interpret Pharaoh's dream which he had similarly received from God, and that is what placed Joseph in the political position which God had foreordained him to be in.
Daniel also obtained his political position after interpreting Nebuchadnezzar's dream which God had given him. Although I would not call this "God suddenly possessing those rulers," the direct influence of God can clearly be seen in these instances for those who do not shut their eyes to it, and no human "votes" were needed.
As God later said to Nebuchadnezzar by means of the interpretation of another dream that he had received from God:
Dan 4:17
This matter is by the decree of the watchers, and the demand by the word of the holy ones: to the intent that the living may know that the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will, and setteth up over it the basest of men.
Dan 4:25
That they shall drive thee from men, and thy dwelling shall be with the beasts of the field, and they shall make thee to eat grass as oxen, and they shall wet thee with the dew of heaven, and seven times shall pass over thee, till thou know that the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will.
Dan 4:32
And they shall drive thee from men, and thy dwelling shall be with the beasts of the field: they shall make thee to eat grass as oxen, and seven times shall pass over thee, until thou know that the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will.
The most High rules in the kingdom of men, and gives it to whomsoever he will.
When God tells me that he needs my cooperation in this matter, then I will obey him. Until then, I will focus my attention on spreading the gospel that the hearts of men might be changed by it.
Daniel also obtained his political position after interpreting Nebuchadnezzar's dream which God had given him. Although I would not call this "God suddenly possessing those rulers," the direct influence of God can clearly be seen in these instances for those who do not shut their eyes to it, and no human "votes" were needed.
As God later said to Nebuchadnezzar by means of the interpretation of another dream that he had received from God:
Dan 4:17
This matter is by the decree of the watchers, and the demand by the word of the holy ones: to the intent that the living may know that the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will, and setteth up over it the basest of men.
Dan 4:25
That they shall drive thee from men, and thy dwelling shall be with the beasts of the field, and they shall make thee to eat grass as oxen, and they shall wet thee with the dew of heaven, and seven times shall pass over thee, till thou know that the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will.
Dan 4:32
And they shall drive thee from men, and thy dwelling shall be with the beasts of the field: they shall make thee to eat grass as oxen, and seven times shall pass over thee, until thou know that the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will.
The most High rules in the kingdom of men, and gives it to whomsoever he will.
When God tells me that he needs my cooperation in this matter, then I will obey him. Until then, I will focus my attention on spreading the gospel that the hearts of men might be changed by it.
I find this to be an unusual question in that you seem to be the one who thinks that God is not in control, and that he needs the cooperation of voters to bring his appointed rulers into power.
Who voted to anoint David as king?
For that matter, who voted to anoint Jesus as both King of kings and Lord of lords?
In Jesus' case, per the opening verses of Psalm 2, the Roman soldiers, the children of Israel, King Herod, and Pontius Pilate all conspired together to crucify him, and God laughed derisively at them while informing them that Christ would still be his appointed King upon his holy hill of Zion.
So much for the will of the people...
Who voted to anoint David as king?
For that matter, who voted to anoint Jesus as both King of kings and Lord of lords?
In Jesus' case, per the opening verses of Psalm 2, the Roman soldiers, the children of Israel, King Herod, and Pontius Pilate all conspired together to crucify him, and God laughed derisively at them while informing them that Christ would still be his appointed King upon his holy hill of Zion.
So much for the will of the people...
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Or they were looking for someone who would listen to their concerns and would act on them.
Trump spoke about closing the border, cutting waste and getting inflation down and lowering the cost of living.
Harris spoke about ... well, still trying to decipher what she was saying ... but generally the Democrats spoke of democracy is in danger and Trump is Hitler.
I'm an Aussie so I have no vested interest, politically or emotionally, in your politics but anyone with half a brain could see Harris was nowhere near capable as President of the US.
As far as I can see the only Harris lead the people of America followed was to "unburden itself of what has been" and that was the smartest thing they did.
Trump spoke about closing the border, cutting waste and getting inflation down and lowering the cost of living.
Harris spoke about ... well, still trying to decipher what she was saying ... but generally the Democrats spoke of democracy is in danger and Trump is Hitler.
I'm an Aussie so I have no vested interest, politically or emotionally, in your politics but anyone with half a brain could see Harris was nowhere near capable as President of the US.
As far as I can see the only Harris lead the people of America followed was to "unburden itself of what has been" and that was the smartest thing they did.
just like the republicans said about Obama lol - and Harris, too, except the Hitler bit was missing. instead she was compared to Karl Marx.
it's meaningless, just a sales pitch.
sex sells better than anything, but after that, hatred, and third best, fear.
these things are hollow tactics to gain the trust of idiots, and they work tremendously well, because guess what we humans are?
it's meaningless, just a sales pitch.
sex sells better than anything, but after that, hatred, and third best, fear.
these things are hollow tactics to gain the trust of idiots, and they work tremendously well, because guess what we humans are?